bob wrote:kranium wrote:Bob-
the point is:
Ippolit source code is here to stay...
it's clean, well-written, innovative, and extremely strong.
it's free, and the authors don't want/need any recognition for their work.
it's better code than Crafty, and especially important in the 'grand scheme of things'.
all or most major programs/authors are using it, studying it and learning from it...
it represents 'progress' while Crafty is a 'dinosaur'...you're just going to have to deal with that fact.
incessantly attacking them with no proof of wrongdoing (in an grand effort to discredit the source code, knowing all to well they are easy targets and will not defend themselves) is appalling.
that being said...i am done with this petty conversation.
it's clear to me that when faced with opposition, without an argument, your only recourse is to issue personal attacks.
I hope you are "DONE". Because you are offering NOTHING here. Just because a strong open source program exists does NOT mean everyone should be cleared to copy that and start their development. If enough want a "clone division" feel free to start it. I don't want to participate. I have no problems competing with ONE ip* family member, IF the actual authors decide to enter the thing somewhere, and if it is examined carefully to be sure that it is not, as claimed, a Rybka RE with some Fruity changes added. I've seen Don state he does not want to compete in a clone tournament. I notice a big group of programmers that signed the original protest to the ICGA stating THEY didn't want to participate in tournaments with derivatives.
So "most" is a huge exaggeration when you talk about known authors...
Bob-
we're having such a great conversation, i hope you don't mind me expressing myself completely...
i've watched you post for years, you come across as if you're the absolute top/most incredible, most knowledgeable, most experienced, (God's gift to CC) programming
that could ever possibly exist...why then do you waste so much of your time and expend such substantial energy throwing mud?
you've performed a small miracle discrediting Vas, (must have been an absolutely huge expenditure of time and negative energy...)
how long did it take?
for what?
to show that some ancient version of Rybka had tiny bits of Crafty? does that actually make you feel good, or help anything? no...
no one cares! Rybka is still being sold, is still widely available, and is still being tested by CCRL, etc.
despite your efforts, enormous progress is happening in chess programming today! it's all around you..
but you can't see it, or refuse to recognize it?
i have a question:
why not take that incredible abundance of negative energy you apparently posess, and funnel it towards something positive?
for ex: read and learn...(you still have room to learn something don't you, or is your gargantuan brain completely full?)
i.e. what about browsing/reading the highly advanced search and eval concepts in Ippolit...?
maybe incorporate them into Crafty...?
make Crafty the strongest engine on the planet for God's sake!
the way you talk, it would/should be simple for you...to walk the walk?
no one would would love to see that more than I...
instead we have a very different Bob...one that does not take any positive action...only negative and extreme righteous smear campaigns against people making substantial efforts to push the envelope...
he appears to be one that stands on the sidelines endlessly whining and complaining and throwing truckloads of mud...why?
because it's all not happening the way i want it to!!
Bob, it's as if you have decided:
well, i can't improve Crafty (or don't have the drive/motivation, am busy with school), therefore I'll simply launch an 'extremist' moral campaign to discredit all,
(even the most innovative successful authors and programs)
and i steadfastly will ignore and criticize the tremendous CC progress (which have presented themselves the last years...)
sorry, you seem to be becoming a disgruntled old man, desperately fighting for attention...who can't/refuses to recognize/accept change and progress...
