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Sedat Canbaz



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PostPost subject: Re: Houdini 3    Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:23 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
MM wrote:
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
MM wrote:
jpqy wrote:
To have the right strenght difference you have to test the different Split Depth's
I get in my results Houdini 2.0 clearly stronger.
If you look to these lists and they get so small or no difference in ELO means they just use default settings.
Houdini has as default Split Depth 10 ..this is tuned for a system as a Q6600
When you play with SD=10 on a slower system..Houdini will play weaker ,even he stay strongest engine!
Lower the SD and you get better result.
On my i7 970 i have tested from SD=10 to SD=14 and SD=12 is clearly stronger when i compare with default.
When you have find the right Split Depth you will get better results against other engines.
On my little laptop i have to use SD=9 to get best results.
These lists are nice but don't show the real strenght off these engines.
People who say i get only 5Elo difference..well you are not using the best Split Depth for your system! Wink

JP.


I tested with the correct split depth. I read the manual of Mr Houdart and made the test.

Best Regards


Dear Maurizio,

I don't understand what is your point exactly...

If you really don't see the real Houdini Elo difference,then it seems there is something wrong in your test

Maybe i am wrong..so can you inform me please your hardware test conditions ?

Just my 2 cents over this issue,
Honestly i am very happy to be a Houdini customer
And there is no doubt that Houdini is the world's strongest engine

Another interesting note is that,some people debated that Rybka seems to a clone
But then really i wonder:
-if its a clone,then why Rybka even without pawn,its much stronger than almost all original engines ?

Btw,i am happy also that we have Critter,Stockfish,Strelka,Ivanhoe,Komodo,Fire...

Otherwise i am afraid that Houdini's price will go up Smile

Greetings,
Sedat


Hello Sedat, sorry but i think there is a misunderstanding.

Me i was the one who asked Mr Houdart to specify (please) the conditions under which he tested Houdini 2.0 because he claimed many times that 2.0 is about 25 elo stronger than 1.5a.

CEGT reports different results.

That's why i asked.

I am interested in:

exact time control (s)
number of games
opening book (s)
contempt
tablebases
hardware
number of cores used

Ipon Chess of Ingo Bauer shows a difference (in favor of 2.0) of 7 elo after 4000 games (Under Rating List) so CEGT it's not the only one rating list that sees 2.0 and 1.5a so close.

http://www.inwoba.de/

I don't claim that my results are correct but i see that my results are almost identical to the ones of Ipon Chess.


Best Regards



Hello dear Maurizio,

Thank you for your replay...

Oh...yes,now its more clear

In my opinion,the Elo difference between Houdini 2.0c and Houdini 1.5a is around 20-25 Elo

SWCR (40/10):21 Elo difference
Code:
           NAME / version of engine       ELO    +    -   GAM    SC   OP     DR
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   1     1 Houdini 2.0c x64               3019   18   18  1400   79%  2777   28%
   -     2 Houdini 1.5 x64                2999   14   14  2320   78%  2772   29%


SCCT Auto232(4m+2s):expecting to be around 20-25 Elo difference too
Code:
Rank  Name                        Elo    +    -   games score oppo. draws
   1 Houdini 2.0c Pro x64 6c      3441   21   21   632   61%  3379   53%
   3 Houdini 2.0b Pro x64 6c      3425   17   17  1049   68%  3312   46%
   8 Houdini 2.0b Pro x64 4c      3355   17   17  1030   51%  3352   47%
  10 Houdini 1.5a x64 4c          3352   17   17  1086   62%  3280   48%


About IPON 4000 games per player,
It sounds perfect, but can you prove that ?
Plus,i will be very happy,if i will access to IPON's openings and games too (with annotations if possible)

About CEGT,
I have big respect to theirs work,but however i think its quite normal to see a such Elo difference under adapted time controls and using many various openings and different hardwares


Best Wshes,
Sedat
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