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Jorge Pichard



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PostPost subject: Re: I have a recommendation for you and all testers    Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:42 am Reply to topic Reply with quote
beram wrote:
In the great Clash of the Titans matches of Timo Klaustermeyer (see below and see http://www.team-oh.de/Computerschach/Clash.htm )
with long time control 125min / 50 moves + (60min+5s) -
Houdini2.0C leads against Komodo4 with 6-4.
It won two games as white and black after same French opening. So far the match looks like another mythbuster.
Interesting is the following game where Houdini wins easily with black.

after following position
[D] 2kr4/p3np2/Pqb1p2r/1p2Pn1B/3pNP2/2pQ4/2P2RPP/R1B3K1 w - - 0 24
   :: BK BR    ::    ::
BP    ::    BN BP ::    
WP BQ BB :: BP ::    BR
:: BP ::    WP BN :: WB
   ::    BP WN WP    ::
::    BP WQ ::    ::    
   :: WP ::    WR WP WP
WR    WB    ::    WK    


Komodo plays - after 6min 48 sec, at depth 22 - the bad move 24. Nf6 where after Rhd8 gave black a winning position. Giving Komodo4 more time it would perhaps find the better Bf3 after which he still is in the game. Komodo 3 which is (almost) equally strong as Komodo 4, prefers on my PC 24. Bf3 already at search depth 20 and stays with it till depth 23 giving black -0.32 with a line beginning with 24. ..Nd5 25. Rb1 - b4
Hereby the whole game:

(8) Komodo64 SSE Version 4 - Houdini 2.0c Pro x64 [t=1] [C18]
Houdini-Komodo (8.1), 08.03.2012
[0.22;0.25]
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 905e Processor 2999 MHz W=22.5 plies; 908kN/s B=22.0 plies; 2.062kN/s; 6.159 TBAs 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Qc7 7.Qg4 Ne7 8.Qxg7 Rg8 9.Qxh7 cxd4 10.Ne2 Nbc6 11.f4 dxc3 12.Qd3 d4 13.Ng3 0.22/23 5:03 Bd7 0.25/23 3:58 14.Be2 (Ne4) 0.24/24 3:53 14...Qb6 -0.09/23 2:56 15.0–0 0.38/25 22 0–0–0 -0.09/24 2:19 16.Ne4 0.23/24 1:44 Nf5 (Kb8) -0.10/23 1:35 17.Nf6 0.50/23 3:34 Rg6 -0.12/22 0 18.Rf2 (g3) 0.33/22 3:04 18...Nce7 (a5) -0.26/23 8:03 19.a4 (Nxd7) 0.20/22 3:08 19...Bc6 (Qa5) -0.31/23 6:40 20.a5 -0.05/22 3:48 Qc5 (Qc7) -0.41/22 2:14 21.a6 0.04/22 3:46 b5 -0.37/24 0 22.Ne4 -0.05/22 3:11 Qb6 -0.45/23 0 23.Bh5 -0.05/22 5:44 Rh6 (Rg7) -0.72/24 17:30 24.Nf6 (Bf3) -0.26/22 6:48 [Komodo64 3: 24.Bf3 Nd5 25.Rb1 b4 26.Qc4 d3 27.cxd3 Nd4 28.Kh1 Kb8 29.f5 c2 30.Rb2 Rh4 31.g3 Rhh8 32.fxe6 fxe6 33.Rbxc2 Bb5 34.Qc5 Nxc2 35.Qxc2 Rc8 36.Qd2 Qxa6 37.Nd6 Rc3 38.Bxd5 exd5 -0.32/23 ] 24...Rdh8 (Rxh5) -1.26/20 2:47 25.g4 -0.67/22 2:43 Nd5 (Ba8) -2.90/21 8:11 26.Bxf7 -1.54/21 4:38 Nb4 (Nxf6) -3.44/22 0 27.Bxe6+ -2.11/21 3:36 Kd8 -4.29/22 6:38 28.Bxf5 -1.96/23 2:46 Nxd3 -4.19/22 3:29 29.Bxd3 -2.53/23 2:26 Qc5 (Rh3) -3.58/23 13:34 30.Re2 -1.57/23 2:37 Rh3 (b4) -3.25/22 8:54 31.e6 -2.31/21 5:50 Ke7 -3.67/24 3:28 32.Ne4 (Re5) -2.80/23 8:43 32...Bxe4 -5.87/17 49 33.Rxe4 -3.05/22 42 Rg8 -5.70/19 0 34.f5 -3.23/22 2:06 Rxd3 -5.83/21 0 35.f6+ -4.27/22 6:03 Kxf6 -6.16/23 0 36.cxd3 -3.93/20 14 Qh5 -5.96/22 0 37.g5+ -4.24/24 3:18 Ke7 -6.11/24 0 38.Ba3+ -3.80/25 4:10 Ke8 -6.73/25 0 39.h4 -4.28/26 3:35 Qf3 -6.77/25 0 40.Rf1 -4.55/25 3:59 Qxd3 -7.06/24 0 41.Ref4 -4.78/25 3:28 Qg3+ -7.06/24 0 42.Kh1 -4.77/22 8 Qh3+ -7.13/22 1:04 43.Kg1 -4.78/25 2:30 Qxe6 -7.42/23 3:18 44.R1f3 -4.77/25 1:41 Qe2 -7.42/23 0 45.Rf2 -5.24/24 3:10 Qe1+ (Qe5) -7.73/22 0 46.Kg2 -4.43/23 48 d3 -7.80/21 42 47.Bb4 -4.39/24 15 d2 (Qe5) -7.94/20 40 48.Bxc3 -4.16/21 38 Qxf2+ -7.90/21 0 49.Kxf2 -4.16/20 21 d1Q -7.02/21 0 50.Bd4 -4.72/23 5:02 Qc1 (Qc2+) -8.21/22 0 51.Kf3 (Kg3) -5.01/22 2:53 51...b4 (Qa3+) -9.41/17 51 52.Bxa7 (Be3) -4.47/18 1:28 52...b3 (Qf1+) -10.82/17 44 53.Bd4 -5.10/19 1:56 b2 (Qf1+) -11.82/21 0 54.Bxb2 -6.18/17 37 Qxb2 -17.33/20 2:10 0–1

grts Bram



Instead of using a time control where you have to make certain moves within X amount of time, with long time control 125min / 50 moves + (60min+5s) - simply give each engine 8 minutes per move. For human it is better to use the old X amount of moves in X amount of time, since we can manage the time better than engines. for instance in a well known opening that it is equal we don't spend too much time. I truly believe that providing X amount of time per move is a better method to test two engines of similar strength.
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Mythbuster continued Bram Mourik Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:03 pm
      Re: I have a recommendation for you and all testers Jorge Pichard Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:42 am
            Re: I have a recommendation for you and all testers Matthias Gemuh Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:04 am
                  Re: I have a recommendation for you and all testers Ingo Bauer Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:19 am
                        Re: I have a recommendation for you and all testers Timo Klaustermeyer Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:40 am
                              Re: I have a recommendation for you and all testers Ingo Bauer Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:30 am
      Re: Mythbuster continued Bram Mourik Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:13 am
            Re: Mythbuster continued Jouni Uski Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:39 am
                  Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:39 pm
                        Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:18 am
                              Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:55 pm
                                    Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jouni Uski Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:35 pm
                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:30 am
                                    Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:02 am
                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jorge Pichard Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:34 am
                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:15 pm
                                                Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:04 am
                                                      Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:15 pm
                                                            Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jorge Pichard Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:51 am
                                                                  Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jouni Uski Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:17 am
                                                                        Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:46 pm
                                                                              Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jouni Uski Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:52 pm
                                                                                    Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Dr.Wael Deeb Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:11 am
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Maurizio Maglio Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:35 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:22 am
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Bram Mourik Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:19 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Vincent Diepeveen Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:29 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Bram Mourik Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:41 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Robert Houdart Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:52 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Bram Mourik Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:03 pm
                                                                                    Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Robert Houdart Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:27 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:42 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Maurizio Maglio Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:49 pm
                                                      Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jorge Pichard Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:47 am
                                                      Re: Mythbuster continued ...Houdini likes it French way Bram Mourik Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:05 pm
                                                            Re: Mythbuster continued ...Houdini likes it French way Timo Klaustermeyer Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:35 pm
      Re: Mythbuster conclusions Bram Mourik Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:28 pm
            Re: Mythbuster conclusions Timo Klaustermeyer Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:37 pm
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