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Rolf
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 Post subject: Re: Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feed Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:27 pm |
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IMO - it's just my impression and critic - the whole idea of Timo is a hoax. Because IMO he was concerned about engines like Komodo because of its only 1-core actual state or in Junior 13 because of its weak play in TC which is common nowadays. So, Timo and others tweaked the usual testing precedure by crippling intentionally well designed engines like Houdini (probably the best) so that the other mentioned could still have a chance. That is as if you would plan to test a F1 spider car with a bicycle and therefore the spider must run on three tires to make it a fair challenge. |
So your opinion is that all 1-core testing like the excellent IPON rating list is a hoax because MP engines are "crippled" there?
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| Why should one cripple intentionally the best programs? There is only one single possible answer - the now really weak former top programs of commercial authors have an interest to let it appear as if they still had a strong competitor in the race which is absolutely not true. |
Of course, my whole intention of the test was to push interest in commercial engines like Komodo!  Don and Larry are daily transferring thousands of dollars to my bank account because of the excellent advertisement I'm doing for them... 
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| It's a cheat to the thousands if not millions of human chessplayers who want to train with the actually best possible engine... |
Where did I say I want to provide tips to human chessplayers about which software they should use? I provided the hyperlinks to my tests in 2 computer chess fora. I don't think there are millions of human chessplayers reading here or in the CSS-Forum and taking my tests as a benchmark on which software they should take for training. My tests were turned on computer chess experts who simply know that a Houdini with 6 threads would of course score better than a Houdini with just 1 thread. And for the Deep Junior 13 test I was telling everybody that my goal was to find out if there is any sort of TC that leads to a better scoring for Junior (because some people keep insisting that Junior is an engine that needs more time to be a good competitor). So no false pretences at all - everyone could read my intentions even on the test web page!
I don't know you, but I'm strongly under the impression that you are seriously suffering from paranoia if you want to ascribe any commercial interest to my testing. AFAIK you have a lifetime ban on the CSS-Forum - now I know why the former moderators had to do that. |
Thanks for the feedback. It's a known problem on the net that such sloppy talks raise aggressions and anger in some people because they feel attacked or insulted. However if that should be meant as a new science, perhaps you could inform me about the faculty where you learned such things. Meaning that one must be crazy if one dared to ask questions or to criticize you when you are 'just' doing some experiments without (sic!) any intentions at all, especially when the experts know anyway all the results you could get! It's also interesting me how you diagnose paranoia in people you admittedly dont even know. BTW your afaik guess is wrong.
Back to Junior. Wouldnt you also prefer to test a much stronger Junior so that you had no obligation to cripple say Houdini to make it weaker so that Junior 13 had better chances? Why dont you take Houdini's Q off the board, because that might give Junior 13 or Komodo 4 a fair chance!?
Just joking a bit.
You are correct that IPON is IMO also a hoax without offering the moves of the games.
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 Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feedback |
Teodoriu Catalin |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:53 pm |
| Re: Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feed |
Timo Klaustermeyer |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:43 pm |
| Re: Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feed |
Teodoriu Catalin |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:11 pm |
| Re: Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feed |
enrico fagiuoli |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:51 pm |
| Re: Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feed |
Rolf |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:08 pm |
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Timo Klaustermeyer |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:34 pm |
| Re: Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feed |
Rolf |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:27 pm |
| Re: Timo Klaustermeyer - finish testing because of poor feed |
Timo Klaustermeyer |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:31 pm |
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Teodoriu Catalin |
Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:56 pm |
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Teodoriu Catalin |
Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:55 pm |
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Adam Hair |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:52 pm |
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Rolf |
Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:50 pm |
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