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Larry Kaufman



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PostPost subject: Re: stand pat or side to move bonus    Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:42 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
rvida wrote:
lkaufman wrote:

Rybka, Stockfish, and Komodo all agree with you on your preference for (A), and for the reasons you give (at least speaking for Rybka and Komodo). I'm sure that the authors of Ippo, Critter, Ivanhoe etc. are aware of this argument. So they must see some compensating advantage in using method (B) or (C). But what could it be?


I don't really see a fundamental difference between (A) and (B). It should not matter if I grant the bonus inside evaluate() or add it after the call.

As for (C), it sounds like adding the bonus 2x which is again same as (A) or (B) just with 2x higher value.


I don't think A and B are the same. (A) changes the value whenever the eval is called, while (B) only affects quiescence decisions. Therefore (C) is also different from both.
So the question can be re-phrased, do you believe that the decision to stand pat in quies should be based on a different score than is used for various pruning decisions in the main search? Using methods (B) or (C) would imply this. If so, why?
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stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:15 pm
      Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Sam Hamilton Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:49 pm
      Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Daniel Shawul Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:27 pm
            Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:40 am
                  Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Daniel Shawul Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:27 am
                        Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:06 am
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                                    Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:26 am
                                          Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Richard Vida Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:07 pm
                                                Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:42 pm
                                                      Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Richard Vida Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:59 am
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            Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:47 pm
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                        Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:45 pm
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