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Larry Kaufman



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PostPost subject: Re: stand pat or side to move bonus    Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:44 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
rvida wrote:
lkaufman wrote:
rvida wrote:
lkaufman wrote:

So the question can be re-phrased, do you believe that the decision to stand pat in quies should be based on a different score than is used for various pruning decisions in the main search? Using methods (B) or (C) would imply this. If so, why?


You use the same score everywhere with both methods (A) and (B), you just have to adjust margins. If you include tempo bonus in evaluate(), all your margins (used for 'various' pruning decisions in the main search) are offset by that value.


I notice that Critter evaluates symmetrical positions near the opening as +.05. If you don't give a bonus in evaluate but only use the bonus for stand pat decisions, what accounts for the displayed .05 score? Is it purely something added for display purposes only?


Please give a specific example. Without knowing the position I can only say that most probably it is exactly because of the reason you stated. (Tempo bonus is added to the stand pat score).


I tried symmetrical openings like c4 c5 or d4 d5 Nf3 Nf6 or f4 f5 Nf3 Nf6 on 2 and 3 ply searches. Since you include positional moves in quiesce it's not so simple to get a symmetric pv, but whenever the displayed pv resulted in a symmetrical position, the score was always .05. Now unless you've changed things since you sent me code, your stand pat offset in the qsearch was 26 points out of 256, which is 0.10. It is of course quite logical that the displayed score should be half of the value of a full tempo, but what causes this to happen? What code results in all symmetric positions on a full board showing as +.05?
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stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:15 pm
      Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Sam Hamilton Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:49 pm
      Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Daniel Shawul Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:27 pm
            Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:40 am
                  Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Daniel Shawul Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:27 am
                        Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:06 am
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                                    Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:26 am
                                          Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Richard Vida Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:07 pm
                                                Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:42 pm
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                                                                        Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:44 pm
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                        Re: stand pat or side to move bonus Larry Kaufman Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:45 pm
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