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Uri Blass



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PostPost subject: Re: Komodo MP status?    Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:48 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
lkaufman wrote:
MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:
MM wrote:
lkaufman wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
lkaufman wrote:
His list shows we need 29 elo to catch Houdini at 10 + 10, so I agree, we need another ten elo to be number one at that level. This may not be the case with MP however, we'll have to wait and see.


Note that you need more than 30 elo improvement to catch houdini1.5 at CEGT 40/20 or at CCRL 40/40 and the gap in both lists now is 35 or 36 elo.

This is because both lists show Houdini 1.5 to be 10 to 13 elo stronger than Houdini 2.0! So we only need about 25 elo to pass Houdini 2.0 on these lists, but another ten to pass 1.5! I think this means that it is quite likely that our next release will surpass Houdini 2.0 but not 1.5 on these lists!








Do you expect to have right now 25 elo margin on Komodo 4.0 to overtake Houdini and if not how much time do you think it could take?

Regards
I think we are in the 20 to 25 range now, going up about 2 elo per week.


Excellent Smile

I bet on a Komodo stronger than Houdini even a blitz 5'+3''. I made many tests with Komodo 4.0 and the trend is that one. Then with the new Komodo....(i talk about head to head match).

Best wishes


I think you and many others have noticed that in general Komodo does better against Houdini in direct matches than would be predicted by ratings at similar time limits. I now think I know why. Houdini uses an unusually large contempt value, probably chosen to maximize its rating on the lists. This is good strategy when playing much weaker engines, but bad strategy when playing near-equals. We could raise our ratings by also using similar large contempt, but this would hurt in direct matches with Houdini. Probably we will raise it, maybe from 5 to 10. It will still be way lower than Houdini, which appears to use 29 as default.


I wonder if the large contempt may be also the reason that
komodo scales better than houdini and it may be interesting to test houdini with no contempt against komodo with no contempt to see if komodo with no contempt also scales better than houdini with no contempt.

I guess that both do not use contempt in analysis.
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Komodo MP status? Jouni Uski Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:59 pm
      Re: Komodo MP status? Larry Kaufman Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:34 pm
            Re: Komodo MP status? Dr.Wael Deeb Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:41 pm
            Re: Komodo MP status? Carl Bicknell Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:36 pm
                  Re: Komodo MP status? Larry Kaufman Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:06 pm
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