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Uri Blass



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PostPost subject: Re: Luke skywalker has done it again.    Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:54 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

Daniel Shawul wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:

One last time. Computers can't give you a probablistic win or draw in an entire opening like the King's Gambit. It's far too complex. It's far too deep.

A crude idea, maybe but no more.

Same for the Benko Gambit.


I also believe that computers of today with some reasonable evaluation function cannot prove +5.12 for king's gambit or benko's gambit but it is only an opinion and not a known fact.

I believe that you are not going to be able to prove it(similiar to another opinion that is that white does not lose in chess with perfect play).

Yes I do belive that too but they were after a probabilistic proof using Rybka not an exact proof.


I did not write about win proof but about +5.12 proof that is the meaning of what they call probabilistic proof.

I believe that no program with a reasonable evaluation function is going to be able to prove +5.12 for black in all lines after 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3(assuming we have the hardware that is available today or something that is not more than 1000 times faster)

Edit:You can allow something that is more than 1000 times faster than the best computer that we have today and also 1000 times bigger in memory then what we have today and I believe that no combination of hardware or software is going to be able to see +5.12 for all lines of white at move 3 except one even if you give it 10 years.
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