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Larry Kaufman



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PostPost subject: Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO    Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:34 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
mschribr wrote:
lkaufman wrote:
First, Mr. Yonenaga is no longer on a par with Moriuchi or Habu or Watanabe (the top 3), but to compare his shogi level to David Levy in chess is ridiculous. At 3 hours per side (plus 1 minute per move thereafter), a fairly typical "pro" time limit, I think it will happen between 1 and 2 years from now;

The game Yonenaga played Bonkras shows Yonenaga is not playing at the professional level. Even if Karpov is a weak GM, Yonenaga is 9 years older than Karpov and Yonenaga has been inactive for more years than Karpov. Yonenaga is weaker than Karpov and weaker than a pro (GM). You could beat Yonenaga. Do you remember you changed your predictions of when a computer will beat a pro many times before?


I wouldn't judge either Yonenaga or the computer by one game. I appreciate your confidence in me, but there is no way I could beat Mr. Yonenaga without a handicap (I once did beat him giving HIM bishop handicap, but that was in chess, not shogi!). I have indeed changed my predictions somewhat, but basically it looks like the crossover will happen inside the range of my predictions.
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Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NOW... Jorge Pichard Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:18 pm
      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 4:21 pm
            Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 4:59 pm
                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Dan Honeycutt Tue May 01, 2012 6:10 pm
                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 7:07 pm
                        Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 7:24 pm
                              Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 8:57 pm
                                    Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 9:16 pm
                                    Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 9:17 pm
                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 9:38 pm
                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 9:47 pm
                                                Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 10:06 pm
                                                      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 10:44 pm
                                                      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 5:30 pm
                                                            Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 6:46 pm
                                                                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 7:45 pm
                                                                        Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 7:56 pm
                                                                              Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 9:45 pm
                                                                                    Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 10:11 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 11:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 11:10 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 12:44 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Mon May 07, 2012 1:57 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Mon May 07, 2012 2:51 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Mon May 07, 2012 3:28 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Mon May 07, 2012 3:56 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 9:16 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 10:39 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 11:00 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 11:51 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Mon May 07, 2012 4:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 4:52 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 8:51 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 9:01 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry are you installing GPSUSI correctly? Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 10:07 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry are you installing GPSUSI correctly? Larry Kaufman Tue May 08, 2012 12:15 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry are you installing GPSUSI correctly? Larry Kaufman Tue May 08, 2012 12:22 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 2:05 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? Larry Kaufman Tue May 08, 2012 2:21 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry you can play with this Shogi Server NOW! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 2:31 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry you can play with this Shogi Server NOW! Bernhard Maerz Tue May 08, 2012 11:29 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry you can play with this Shogi Server NOW! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 1:55 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 2:59 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? H.G.Muller Tue May 08, 2012 7:58 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 4:21 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! H.G.Muller Tue May 08, 2012 5:32 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 5:56 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! H.G.Muller Wed May 09, 2012 8:19 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... Jorge Pichard Thu May 10, 2012 1:10 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 6:40 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... Bernhard Maerz Thu May 10, 2012 6:54 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 10:05 am
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? Jorge Pichard Thu May 10, 2012 11:17 am
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 11:33 am
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? Bernhard Maerz Thu May 10, 2012 12:28 pm
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 12:50 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 5:48 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NOW Jorge Pichard Thu May 10, 2012 11:54 pm
                                                                                          Re: Polish amateur first to beat professional shogi player Jorge Pichard Mon May 21, 2012 12:22 am
                        Re: Yonenaga is still a very high Shogi player.............. Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 11:42 pm
                              Re: Yonenaga is still a very high Shogi player.............. Mark Schreiber Tue May 08, 2012 3:08 pm
                                    Re: Yonenaga is still a very high Shogi player.............. Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 3:21 pm
      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Thu May 03, 2012 12:20 am
            Re: Larry here are some games Mr. Habu Vs GPS-Shogi Jorge Pichard Thu May 03, 2012 3:26 pm
                  Re: Larry here are some games Mr. Habu Vs GPS-Shogi Mark Schreiber Fri May 04, 2012 7:04 pm
            Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Fri May 04, 2012 6:44 pm
                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Fri May 04, 2012 9:34 pm
      Links to computer shogi forums Graham Banks Fri May 04, 2012 7:28 pm
            Re: Links to computer shogi forums Jorge Pichard Sat May 05, 2012 7:33 am
                  Re: I prefer the Chess Thinkers Forum Jorge Pichard Sat May 05, 2012 7:34 am
                        Re: Links to computer shogi forums Graham Banks Sat May 05, 2012 7:37 am
                        Re: I prefer the Chess Thinkers Forum Jorge Pichard Sat May 05, 2012 1:36 pm
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