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Kai Laskos



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PostPost subject: Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone.....................    Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:33 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Don wrote:

It's all semantics - you can spell out the conditions in advance and that is not really a handicap. Is playing on a quad a handicap when there are 8 core machines available? Is playing on a small cluster a handicap because you didn't use a big cluster? It's just semantics.

It's almost meaningless unless you focus on the chess part - such as giving pawn odds, etc. Time odds with pondering off seems like a handicap because it's artificial to forbid the opponent to "think."

There is one kind of handicap that I don't if it's been experimented with much. The idea is to give the human the right to N retractions. The rule might be that after the computer responds, the human has the right to retract only his last played move and play a different one. I think even the right to one retraction would be a serious boost in playing strength for a human. It would help address the issue of whether the computer is really consistently outplaying the human or just taking advantage of one or two errors during the course of the game (but I'm not sure there is a difference.)

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Well, it's semantics, but the conditions should be clear. For example, to avoid some exploits, the engine without a book, at least in the opening should be a bit randomized. With a book, define the book well, as to not have other exploits. Otherwise, it's a hidden and unwanted handicap, then peolpe will exaggerate their results against Komodo (in general, as an engine). I would imagine you being right that a strong human could beat Komodo in a match only by using these kinds of hidden handicaps.

The retractions would probably work, and we will be able to speak "that GM beats Komodo with 3 retractions, that GM with 5". Probablly not much different from "2 pawns handicap", but more pleasant for humans because they only "overlook", but "really" play better. Would make for an interesting experiment.

Kai
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GM Nakamura said that he would destroyed by a computer...... Jorge Pichard Tue May 15, 2012 3:53 pm
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                                                Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Jorge Pichard Sat May 19, 2012 6:39 pm
                                                      Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Harvey Williamson Sat May 19, 2012 6:41 pm
                                                            Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Shivkumar Shivaji Sat May 19, 2012 7:02 pm
                                                                  Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Harvey Williamson Sat May 19, 2012 7:09 pm
                                                                        Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Shivkumar Shivaji Tue May 22, 2012 12:20 am
                                                                              Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Jorge Pichard Tue May 22, 2012 11:02 pm
                                                                                    Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Shivkumar Shivaji Wed May 23, 2012 11:03 pm
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Jorge Pichard Thu May 24, 2012 10:15 am
                                                                  Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Jorge Pichard Sat May 19, 2012 8:59 pm
                                                                        Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Harvey Williamson Sat May 19, 2012 9:11 pm
                                                                              Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Jorge Pichard Sun May 20, 2012 12:15 am
                                                                                    Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... M ANSARI Sun May 20, 2012 8:04 am
                                                                                    Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Uri Blass Sun May 20, 2012 8:28 am
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Guenther Simon Sun May 20, 2012 9:04 am
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Jorge Pichard Sun May 20, 2012 10:27 am
                                                                                          Re:Here are two more games and I am extremely proud......... Jorge Pichard Sun May 20, 2012 8:25 pm
                                                                                    Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Don Dailey Thu May 24, 2012 12:59 pm
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Kai Laskos Thu May 24, 2012 1:13 pm
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Don Dailey Thu May 24, 2012 3:48 pm
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Kai Laskos Thu May 24, 2012 4:33 pm
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Don Dailey Thu May 24, 2012 5:58 pm
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Kai Laskos Thu May 24, 2012 7:28 pm
                                                                                          Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Carl Bicknell Thu May 24, 2012 4:54 pm
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                                                                        Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Shivkumar Shivaji Mon May 21, 2012 11:59 pm
                                                            Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Jorge Pichard Sat May 19, 2012 7:56 pm
                                                                  Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone..................... Harvey Williamson Sat May 19, 2012 8:02 pm
                                    Re:GM Nakamura said that he would be destroyed by a computer Mike Libanan Wed May 16, 2012 1:30 am
                                          Re:GM Nakamura said that he would be destroyed by a computer Jorge Pichard Wed May 16, 2012 1:51 am
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