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Tom Giampietro



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PostPost subject: Re: World Computer Chess Championship ?    Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:49 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Peter Skinner wrote:
Houdini wrote:

Somehow you don't seem to understand that at the moment I am genuinely not interested in your tournament. Your comparing Houdini to a turd is not very likely to improve this sentiment.


I could I used several sayings to express my point:

No matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, it's still a pig.
Just because you pick up a dried piece of crap, and it doesn't smell like crap, doesn't mean it still isn't crap.

I wasn't calling Houdini a turd. I was using an expression.

You did however manage to once again skip right over the question of whether Houdini is completely original code written by yourself. Being that you continue avoid answering this question speaks volumes; thus the reason Houdini is classified as a "derivative".

Houdini wrote:

I would be interested in participating in a tournament similar to the excellent TCEC organized by Martin Thoresen, which had a very well-thought format:
- An intelligent choice of participants to generate maximum interest for the tournament.
- Played on powerful, uniform hardware so that the competition is fair to every engine (no doping!) and doesn't degenerate into a "cluster war".
- With a serious match format. For example first a preliminary double-round RR tournament, followed by a long match (24 to 48 games) between the top 2 participants.
- Played with a fixed opening book or set of starting positions selected for the tournament, so that the competition doesn't generate in an opening book war. For maximum fairness also play every position with reversed colors.
- Transmitted live online 24/7 with possibility of viewers to chat with the engine authors - like was done at Chessbomb for TCEC.

Robert


That is one of many great tournaments out there to participate in. Uniform hardware events don't interest me at all, largely due to the fact you are limiting all participants. That is like telling Usain Bolt he can only use the same amount of "power" to run his races even though he is obviously capable of much more. Or he can only wear shoes that are supplied to him by the race organizer, because his own might give him a competitive advantage over someone else.

That is boring. I want participants to bring their absolute best to an event. Best engine, best book, best hardware, best operator, best internet connection.. you get the point. This is why upsets are so special, because the best doesn't always win...

Peter



Your analogy to Usain Bolt is off base. Equal hardware is much more interesting from a competitive standpoint.
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                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:17 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:11 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? jose mº velasco Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:20 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:44 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:54 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:03 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:45 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Uri Blass Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:51 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:12 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Uri Blass Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:06 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:51 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Uri Blass Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:53 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:45 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:58 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:31 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:16 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:40 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:04 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? H.G.Muller Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:47 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Chris Whittington Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:58 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Joerg Oster Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:03 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:02 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Uri Blass Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:02 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:15 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? H.G.Muller Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Sam Hamilton Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:07 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:10 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Sam Hamilton Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:49 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:16 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Sam Hamilton Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:38 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Marco Costalba Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:02 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:52 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:58 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:06 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:20 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:38 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:52 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:37 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:41 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:10 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:46 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:08 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:56 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:41 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Richard Vida Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:23 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:24 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Miguel A. Ballicora Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:50 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:58 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Miguel A. Ballicora Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:18 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:00 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:14 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:35 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Boban Stanojevic Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:39 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Martin Sedlak Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:03 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:17 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Uri Blass Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:42 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:04 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Miguel A. Ballicora Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Martin Sedlak Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:46 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:17 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:43 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:49 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:03 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:57 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Martin Sedlak Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:09 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:22 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Miguel A. Ballicora Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:36 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Martin Sedlak Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:51 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:08 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:57 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:53 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:17 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:35 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:01 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:51 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:06 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:49 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:49 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Miguel A. Ballicora Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:42 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:51 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:03 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:35 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:23 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ronald de Man Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:24 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:24 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:06 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ben-Hur Carlos Langoni Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:11 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ben-Hur Carlos Langoni Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:55 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:12 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:05 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Eelco de Groot Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:58 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:35 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Uri Blass Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:49 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:13 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:02 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:47 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:20 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ronald de Man Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:25 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:48 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:06 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:29 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:13 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:35 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:05 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:33 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:15 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ronald de Man Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:42 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:21 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Marco Costalba Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:13 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:09 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? George Speight Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:49 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:46 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? H.G.Muller Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:40 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ed Schroder Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:39 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? H.G.Muller Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:06 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:01 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:07 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:16 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:44 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:19 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:32 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:36 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Uri Blass Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:12 am
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:24 pm
                                                                                    Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ted Summers Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:27 am
                                                                              Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:27 pm
                                                                                    Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:19 pm
                                                                              Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Ben-Hur Carlos Langoni Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:53 pm
                                                                  Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:13 am
                                                                        Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:09 am
                                                                              Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:50 am
                                                                                    Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:13 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Adam Hair Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:24 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? H.G.Muller Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:30 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:33 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:05 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? H.G.Muller Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:25 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Peter Skinner Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:37 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Harvey Williamson Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:57 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Don Dailey Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:58 pm
                                                                              Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:12 pm
                                                                                    Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Kai Laskos Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:18 pm
                                                                                          Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:49 pm
                              Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Marco Costalba Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:01 pm
                                    Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Marco Costalba Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:18 pm
                                    Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? George Speight Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:07 pm
                                    Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Robert Hyatt Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:08 am
            Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? George Speight Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:14 pm
      Re: World Computer Chess Championship ? Jeroen Noomen Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:02 am
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