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Chris Whittington



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PostPost subject: Re: A problem CC community has    Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:43 am Reply to topic Reply with quote
hgm wrote:
chrisw wrote:
..., namely that end users are part of the equation and they see straight through the hypocricy and want to see something different, plus programmers with moral imperatives (such as protection of minorities against bullying) will also make their voices heard. It is not easy for morally unsound processes to take place in the full glare of open debate (as we are seeing).


The problem is that the end users are not part of the equation at all. Unlike other major sports events, spectators to computer Chess tourneys don't pay a cent, and no one cares a hoot about them.

There is nothing like enlightened dictatorship... Democracy is a mess.


Computer chess is full of dictators but not one is even remotely "enlightened". At least on open forum people have to pretend some form of morals but as soon as you allow them freedom to decide for others behind closed doors even those limited and probably fake morals vaporise into self interest. the dictatorial system rapidly creates wannabee emperor mentality into the self important heads of even the organisation's flunkeys, as the 300 euro two star Michelin restaurant bill, counter signed by David Levy, and flashed around the forums, proudly apparently, attests. That is just the tip of the iceberg. All you need are free and open forums, with bullying suppressed, and organisation will self-evolve from the base, whether end user or programmer, no need for dictators, emperors or their flunkeys.

and, btw, if you believe end users are not part of the equation, then what are you doing arguing on a shop based forum that is majority enduser?
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