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Robert Hyatt



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PostPost subject: Re: A problem CC community has    Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:18 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Rebel wrote:
bob wrote:
Rebel wrote:
Harvey Williamson wrote:
rodolfoleoni wrote:
We can read lots of posts about how crap was last ICGA WCCC, lots of ideas, lots of people in favor/against any idea. No real fresh air. Just confusing particles flying around, while the best way to do something would probably be to act from inside ICGA. To become members, to come with a revisitation of rules. To finally get a clear sentence about Ippo/Robbo/Ivan + derivatives. Because the community can solve this problem only if it can look at it straight into its "eyes".

Is the problem the different hardware of each participant? ICGA organized the WCSC just after WCCC. Engines running the same software, and Hiarcs won it. Stockfish and Komodo would have good chances there.

Is the problem rule #2? Why don't introduce a rule about a separate Championship where derivatives are allowed? (The above sentence would be needed, of course)

But what many people seem to not understand is there's already a organization, and it can be improved a lot with positive proposals. E.g., Adam Hair had an excellent idea about satellite locations around the world, to allow more programmers to participate.

Let us give ICGA positive inputs for the future!


Yes, join the ICGA and join the debate there.

Harvey, allow me a few words,

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.


Please do NOT misquote Ken. He did not say that Rybka 3 is "above suspicion". He said the evidence was not as clear and that nothing had been proven YET...

Ah, mister accuser is back.

KT - if rybka-3 had been entered in its first icga event, i would say it was not derivative.


Does that translate to "I believe that R3 is above suspicion"??? Or do you read and think about what he meant by that "its FIRST ICGA EVENT"???
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