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Don Dailey



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PostPost subject: Re: Programmer code of honor (update)    Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:14 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Rebel wrote:
Hi Don,

Thanks for your openness and your concern for the well being of computer chess. Concerning the points you addressed:

1. I think every programmer knows what RE is, disassembling the executable of a competitor and then hunting for its secrets.


That is a very narrow definition. Here is a much more accurate and reasonable from the wikipedia. I want you to realize that I'm not being picky or petty about a specific definition because it's critical to the entire argument in my opinion. If it's not addressed it will come up anyway sooner or later.

From the wikipedia:

Reverse engineering is the process of discovering the technological principles of a device, object, or system through analysis of its structure, function, and operation.[1] It often involves taking something (e.g., a mechanical device, electronic component, software program, or biological, chemical, or organic matter) apart and analyzing its workings in detail to be used in maintenance, or to try to make a new device or program that does the same thing without using or simply duplicating (without understanding) the original.


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2. Every programmer who subscribes still can manipulate either with RE, copying, cryptic descriptions in the README which ideas he/she borrowed from others not to hint competitors. He is only cheating himself.

As such the programmer code means nothing other then a signal how we (the undersigned chess programmers) want to experience our hobby.

3. Unfortunately it's a bit hard to make any text changes because that would mean a start from scratch. I feel that the list is too young for an updated version nevertheless any concrete suggestion is welcome. Furthermore I think the text should not be decided by me any longer (although I am happy to host it) but discussed, maintained and voted by majority by the programmers themselves.

4. So I am sorry I can't offer you what you would wish at the moment (changes are really up to the community itself) but the script supports a large text area available for uncensored comments to explain your views.

5. Larry: Anno 2012 and in your case I understand that if one wants to compete on the highest level one must allow themselves the same freedoms as others are using else it is an unfair competition. In this respect I can understand you want to keep your options open, even when RE is the issue. It's an awkward situation created by those without a moral code who started it and as a result putting pressure on those who actually have one.

As such Komodo team would give a great signal refraining from RE. I would love to have you on the list setting an example.


Thanks for the response. In case I did not make it clear, I am not opposed to any form of Reverse Engineering including using a disassembled listing - unless that is actually illegal. I believe that we all have to respect the law in that case. I don't see how some forms of RE can be arbitrarily forbidden.

Thanks.

Don
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Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:03 am
      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ricardo Barreira Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:09 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:55 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:19 am
                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Dan Honeycutt Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:47 pm
      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:41 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:21 am
      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Don Dailey Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:22 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:02 pm
                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Don Dailey Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:14 pm
                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:17 am
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Don Dailey Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:41 am
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                                                                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:03 pm
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                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Dan Honeycutt Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:58 pm
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