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Chess for Android upcoming network feature
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H.G.Muller



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PostPost subject: Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature    Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:34 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Daniel Shawul wrote:
My app, just like many video games, has a p2p mode where one of the participants become a server by accepting connections on a port. So some will decide to play a game, and some will just observe.


Well, I had not considered that, but could that not work exactly the same with the adapter? The adapter obviously has to be able to act both as server and as client for two to connect. Once they have connected for setting up a game, they could each continue to accept more connections, and relay the moves also there. I agree observing is made a bit more difficult by the fact that WB protocol does not support a mode where the engine plays both colors. But this can be solved by having the one that wants to observe connect with two p2p loaded as engine. They could let the 'server' p2p know they are an observing pair, and only after they are known as a pair would the server send them all moves done so far in the game that is currently in progress alternatingly to one or the other).

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Arena can only be used as a client since it doesn't matter what is being used on the other side.

I still don't understand why you say that. All GUIs are of course always clients of the adapter, but that is does not mean the adapter on that side cannot act as server to the external world.

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This is not spectacular, infact my app don't care what is on the other side. It can accept connections from a telnet client (putty f.i) if you can type the moves. No need for adapters since you can simply follow the protocol and type in moves. So that is pretty much a given when you have remote connections. The problem is if it wants to be the server in a p2p it has to accept commands through its adapter which is very difficult to do.

But why do you want it to be a server? What could you possibly want it to do that would require it to be a server???

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Not ssh, I wanted something like the p2p connections in video games and I have that working well at least on the desktop. Infact it is pretty much like a gigantic FICS server as it allows the user many choices. I did not want to implement the FICS protocol directly since I found it a little awkward for many variants. If I just start it in console mode it can serve thousands of games at a time . I know you have a variants server with FICS protocol. Anyway by now we have said what we wanted and hopefully cleared up stuff.

Well, if it is a server for many games, I would not call it peer to peer. Because that is clearly a very asymmetric relationship.
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Chess for Android upcoming network feature Aart Bik Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:41 pm
      Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:31 am
            Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Folkert van Heusden Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:47 am
                  Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:38 am
                        Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Folkert van Heusden Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:01 am
                              Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:27 am
                                    Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Folkert van Heusden Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:39 am
                                          Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:59 am
                                                Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Folkert van Heusden Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:06 am
                                                      Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Mehrmann Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:21 am
                                                            Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:37 am
                              Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:40 am
                        Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Don Dailey Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:12 pm
                              Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Don Dailey Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:21 pm
            Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Aart Bik Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:20 pm
      Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Aart Bik Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:48 pm
            Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:33 pm
                  Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:54 pm
      Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Aart Bik Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:43 pm
            Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:16 pm
                  Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:14 pm
                        Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:28 pm
                              Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:26 pm
                                    Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:01 am
                                          Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:03 pm
                                                Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:59 pm
                                                      Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:53 pm
                                                            Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:34 am
                                                                  Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:14 pm
                                                                        Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:37 pm
                                                                              Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:53 pm
                                                                                    Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:34 pm
                                                                                          Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:48 pm
                                                                                          Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature H.G.Muller Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:14 am
                                                                        Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Aart Bik Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:36 pm
            Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Daniel Shawul Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:55 pm
      Re: Chess for Android upcoming network feature Aart Bik Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:35 am
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