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Programmer code of honor (update)
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Vincent Diepeveen



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PostPost subject: Re: Programmer code of honor (update)    Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:26 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Rebel wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Rebel wrote:
Lemme clarify my position instead of answering each one of you.

I consider RE as stealing and since a couple of years I have the EU law on my side. It's really simple, if a programmer wants to reveal his secrets he will offer the source code with the executable. Therefore it's unethical to RE the executable without the consent of the programmer.

The programmer code is about ethical behaviour and RE does not fit into that whether the grey areas of the Law allows it or not as you are doing things against the express wish of the programmer.

Bottom line: invent your own ideas, don't steal them.

Too harsh ?


only to make things clear
Do you agree with the following?

1)Looking at the output of houdini or other programs by giving them to analyze chess positions in order to learn what they do is not what you consider as RE.

I see no problem with that. We use the output of other engines all the time via eng-eng matches.

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2)If other people already did the demage and released source code that is free for download and nobody cared to stop them on time (the Ippolit case) then people who look at the relevant source and are not responsible for generating it are not quilty.

Nasty one Uri, but a good one. Assuming Ippolit is derived from Rybka after all it's like you say, the damage is already done and is irreversible. From a practical point of view I suggest everybody should use it (equal chances for everyone) but mention the things you take in the README if they are not in the CPW or are not common knowledge (in the meantime).


So if a consultant steals the Nightwatch from Rembrandt van Rijn, i happen to meet the guy somewhere, then i'm allowed to legally obtain that painting and put it on the wall here?

(note that in this case stealing the Nightwatch would mobilize automatically the entire Dutch Army and an official declaration of war against those stealing it can be expected, but that's another aspect less relevant here now).

Why did you write that of 'code of honor' if you have no moral objections against healing?

I feel HGM overestimates the value of what you wrote down...
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Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:03 am
      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ricardo Barreira Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:09 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:55 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:19 am
                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Dan Honeycutt Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:47 pm
      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:41 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:21 am
      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Don Dailey Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:22 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:02 pm
                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Don Dailey Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:14 pm
                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:17 am
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Don Dailey Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:41 am
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Richard Vida Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:13 am
                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Marco Costalba Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:46 am
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Uri Blass Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:25 am
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Thomas Petzke Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:44 pm
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Robert Hyatt Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:04 pm
                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Uri Blass Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:17 pm
                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:07 pm
                                                Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Uri Blass Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:19 pm
                                                      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:08 pm
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:27 pm
                                                                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:55 pm
                                                                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:59 am
                                                                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:55 am
                                                                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:17 am
                                                                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:40 am
                                                                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:51 am
                                                                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:36 pm
                                                                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:30 pm
                                                                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Joerg Oster Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:35 am
                                                                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:03 am
                                                                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Joerg Oster Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:41 am
                                                                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Thomas Petzke Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:03 pm
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:26 pm
                                                      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Thomas Petzke Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:06 am
                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Larry Kaufman Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:51 pm
                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Sune Fischer Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:29 pm
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Larry Kaufman Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:54 pm
                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Sune Fischer Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:40 am
                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:47 am
                                                Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Sune Fischer Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:39 am
                                                      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:19 pm
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:59 pm
                                                                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:51 pm
                                                                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:27 pm
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Rolf Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:55 pm
                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ronald de Man Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:03 pm
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Robert Houdart Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:52 pm
                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:55 pm
                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Robert Houdart Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:02 pm
                                                Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:12 pm
                                                      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Robert Houdart Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:18 pm
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:24 pm
                                                      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Larry Kaufman Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:27 pm
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Robert Houdart Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:35 pm
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:06 am
                                                                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Lucas Braesch Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:26 am
                                                                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:03 pm
                                                                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Uri Blass Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:56 pm
                                                                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Lucas Braesch Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:24 pm
                                                                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:09 pm
                                                                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Lucas Braesch Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:59 am
                                                                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Thomas Petzke Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:58 am
                                                                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Larry Kaufman Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:20 pm
                                                                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Diepeveen Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:00 pm
                                                Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:59 pm
                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Dan Honeycutt Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:58 pm
                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Larry Kaufman Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:33 pm
                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Robert Houdart Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:32 pm
                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Dan Honeycutt Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:03 am
                                                Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Eelco de Groot Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:51 am
                                                      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Dan Honeycutt Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:41 am
                                                            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Rolf Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:28 pm
                                          Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Adam Hair Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:38 am
                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Ed Schroder Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:04 am
                                    Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Rolf Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:12 pm
            Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Robert Houdart Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:07 pm
                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Don Dailey Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:18 am
                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:45 am
                        Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Richard Vida Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:48 am
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) H.G.Muller Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:27 pm
                              Re: Programmer code of honor (update) OFF_TOPIC Alcides Schulz Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:39 pm
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                  Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Vincent Lejeune Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:51 am
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      Re: Programmer code of honor (update) Matthew Hull Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:56 am
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