This is ridiculous, please stop it?

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mvk
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

Post by mvk »

hgm wrote:It would be a good thing if the forum software limited the recursion of the 'quote' tag to, say, 2 levels of quoting.
A new tag, 'deepquote', could be added that is not subject to this limitation.
But as it would never be added automatically, it can only appear in posts that people edit first. This way lazy people could no longer abuse the system.
It is a bit sad that a technical solution is proposed for a non-technical problem. But it can be done simpler even. Some forums don't auto-insert everything on reply. You have to copy manually if you want to quote. Default is none. The thread is there for anyone to see. That works better against a anti-social behaviour disorder like this.

Why not remove the "quote" button here as well.
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

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Or how about just skipping over threads you have problems reading???
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

Post by phenri »

I am seriously thinking about a browser script that can hide all quoted crap from low quality post.

Stylish for Firefox with some knowledge of CSS can do this basically.

Greasemonkey with javascript knowledge can give a sophisticated result (i.e. Button that can unhide Quoted message, blacklisted users stored in cookies, etc)
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

Post by phenri »

here is an example of double quote

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<tbody><tr> 
	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>DEF wrote&#58;</b></span></td>
	</tr>
	<tr>
	  <td class="quote">
<table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="90%">
<tbody><tr> 
	  <td><span class="genmed"><b>ABC wrote&#58;</b></span></td>
	</tr>
	<tr>
	  <td class="quote">Initial quote Blah blah</td>
	</tr>
</tbody></table>
<span class="postbody">
<br>
Secondary Quote</span></td>
	</tr>
</tbody>
And here is the Stylish answer:

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@namespace url&#40;http&#58;//www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&#41;;
@-moz-document domain&#40;"talkchess.com") &#123;
td.quote > table &#123;display&#58; none;&#125;
&#125;
It cleans all posts by more than one nested quote.

If you want to see more than one, change to

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td.quote > table > td.quote > table &#123;display&#58; none;&#125;
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

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phenri wrote:hahaha before you had to be crazy to be able to follow
https://s3.amazonaws.com/fvd-data/notes ... screen.png
After: https://s3.amazonaws.com/fvd-data/notes ... screen.png
That is beautiful! Thanks a lot!
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

Post by mvk »

bob wrote:Or how about just skipping over threads you have problems reading???
I could, but there is still a an interesting discussion between peers in there and I don't want to miss that because I could learn from it.

I can understand the "I'm too busy to trim quotes" argument. In the past 3 years you have contributed so much on the forums that it exceeds, if printed, the first three volumes of Knuth's TAOCP (just from counting the Rybka forum postings alone, typically without any quoted material, your posts would print out as over 2500 pages). That must be a considerable amount of your daily effort, sometimes hours in a row.

But it is only a matter of courtesy to consider your follower's time as well and attempt to reduce the amount of repetitive quoting.

Anyway, Paul Henri's creative solution is a good enough for me, so I will leave it at that.
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

Post by hgm »

Perhaps it is good to point out that next to the 'quote' button there is a 'reply' button, which works just as easily. When replying to the last post in a thread there never is any reason to quote anything, because in threaded as well as flat mode it is immediately clear what you reply to...
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

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mvk wrote:
phenri wrote:hahaha before you had to be crazy to be able to follow
https://s3.amazonaws.com/fvd-data/notes ... screen.png
After: https://s3.amazonaws.com/fvd-data/notes ... screen.png
That is beautiful! Thanks a lot!
I'm glad you find this useful.

I have deposit this userstyle in the directory
https://userstyles.org/styles/102980/talkchess-cleaner

Once on this link, the website detect what browser you use and it offers a suitable solution.

Otherwise, Stylish exist for different browser
chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... leoegfcffe
firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
opera: https://addons.opera.com/extensions/download/stylish/

Edit: I fixed the link
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Re: This is ridiculous, please stop it?

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hgm wrote:Perhaps it is good to point out that next to the 'quote' button there is a 'reply' button, which works just as easily. When replying to the last post in a thread there never is any reason to quote anything, because in threaded as well as flat mode it is immediately clear what you reply to...
If you reply to a post where there are several quoted posts, and the post YOU are replying to is therefore broken up into several different blocks of text, it is not easy for others to figure out which part you are replying to, unless you quote. Not all threads get that long. But on occasion. Trying to fix the problem is a loser idea, if you make replying harder, conversations die off too soon or else never even get started. This is supposed to be quick and easy.

If a thread gets too long, stop reading it.