MD v JL

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gerold
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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S.Taylor wrote:
Masterbaiter wrote:Ra1
I must admit i myself can not say exactly what should and should not be done, and I'm just watching to learn!

e.g. I don't know if one pair of rooks should be exchanged or not. I'm not big enough in endgame.

If all pieces and queenside pawns are off the board, then white can win.
This is an interesting game. The end game may be very long. White controls the board. A little more pressure on the Q side winning a pawn and more pressure in the middle should take place giving white a couple more pawns.
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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gerold wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:
Masterbaiter wrote:Ra1
I must admit i myself can not say exactly what should and should not be done, and I'm just watching to learn!

e.g. I don't know if one pair of rooks should be exchanged or not. I'm not big enough in endgame.

If all pieces and queenside pawns are off the board, then white can win.
This is an interesting game. The end game may be very long. White controls the board. A little more pressure on the Q side winning a pawn and more pressure in the middle should take place giving white a couple more pawns.
Wow! you seem to have gone very deep into this game.
Or are you just a big chess master who can see all this in a second or two?
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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S.Taylor wrote:
gerold wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:
Masterbaiter wrote:Ra1
I must admit i myself can not say exactly what should and should not be done, and I'm just watching to learn!

e.g. I don't know if one pair of rooks should be exchanged or not. I'm not big enough in endgame.

If all pieces and queenside pawns are off the board, then white can win.
This is an interesting game. The end game may be very long. White controls the board. A little more pressure on the Q side winning a pawn and more pressure in the middle should take place giving white a couple more pawns.
Wow! you seem to have gone very deep into this game.
Or are you just a big chess master who can see all this in a second or two?
Not a chess master :). Just looking at the positions you can see white is strong on the Q side and that would be the place to apply pressure. Control of the middle is what counts most in the end game in this game.
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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There's hardly anything ON the queen side, and all white has is 2 doubled pawns.

Very liquid situation though.

Obviously the passed QP is a very big plus.
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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S.Taylor wrote:There's hardly anything ON the queen side, and all white has is 2 doubled pawns.

Very liquid situation though.

Obviously the passed QP is a very big plus.
The Knight is powerful and the Rook can slide back and forward to help on the Q side.
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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Masterbaiter wrote:Ra1
[d] 5r2/3b1r2/1p1k1p2/p2Pp3/4P1p1/1PN1P1Pp/1P2KR1P/R7 w - - 12 37
[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g5 3. Nc3 g4 4. Ne5 h5 5. Bc4 e6 6. d4 a6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Nd3 Bd4 9. Bb3 Nc6 10. O-O d6 11. Be3 Bxe3 12. fxe3 Nf6 13. Qd2 Qe7 14. Rad1 Nd7 15. Nf4 Nce5 16. Qxd6 Qxd6 17. Rxd6 Ke7 18. Rfd1 Nc5 19. R6d2 Nxb3 20. axb3 Bd7 21. Nd3 Nxd3 22. cxd3 f6 23. Rf1 Raf8 24. d4 h4 25. Rdf2 Bc6 26. Rf4 Rhg8 27. g3 h3 28. R1f2 a5 29. Rf1 b6 30. d5 e5 31. R4f2 Bd7 32. Rd1 Rg7 33. Kf1 Rgf7 34. Ke1 Kd6 35. Ke2 Rc8 36. Ra1 Rcf8[/pgn]
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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Jack Lad wrote:
Masterbaiter wrote:Ra1
[d] 5r2/3b1r2/1p1k1p2/p2Pp3/4P1p1/1PN1P1Pp/1P2KR1P/R7 w - - 12 37
[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g5 3. Nc3 g4 4. Ne5 h5 5. Bc4 e6 6. d4 a6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Nd3 Bd4 9. Bb3 Nc6 10. O-O d6 11. Be3 Bxe3 12. fxe3 Nf6 13. Qd2 Qe7 14. Rad1 Nd7 15. Nf4 Nce5 16. Qxd6 Qxd6 17. Rxd6 Ke7 18. Rfd1 Nc5 19. R6d2 Nxb3 20. axb3 Bd7 21. Nd3 Nxd3 22. cxd3 f6 23. Rf1 Raf8 24. d4 h4 25. Rdf2 Bc6 26. Rf4 Rhg8 27. g3 h3 28. R1f2 a5 29. Rf1 b6 30. d5 e5 31. R4f2 Bd7 32. Rd1 Rg7 33. Kf1 Rgf7 34. Ke1 Kd6 35. Ke2 Rc8 36. Ra1 Rcf8[/pgn]
What's the plan, Stan?
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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S.Taylor
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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I think this game has justly indicated that by declining the mccmad gambit, white cannot expect to win.

(But I don't claim that either side made best play).
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Re: MD v JL: Gambit declined

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Masterbaiter wrote:Rc1
[d] 2r5/3b1r2/1p1k1p2/p2Pp3/4P1p1/1PN1P1Pp/1P2KR1P/2R5 w - - 14 38
[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g5 3. Nc3 g4 4. Ne5 h5 5. Bc4 e6 6. d4 a6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Nd3 Bd4 9. Bb3 Nc6 10. O-O d6 11. Be3 Bxe3 12. fxe3 Nf6 13. Qd2 Qe7 14. Rad1 Nd7 15. Nf4 Nce5 16. Qxd6 Qxd6 17. Rxd6 Ke7 18. Rfd1 Nc5 19. R6d2 Nxb3 20. axb3 Bd7 21. Nd3 Nxd3 22. cxd3 f6 23. Rf1 Raf8 24. d4 h4 25. Rdf2 Bc6 26. Rf4 Rhg8 27. g3 h3 28. R1f2 a5 29. Rf1 b6 30. d5 e5 31. R4f2 Bd7 32. Rd1 Rg7 33. Kf1 Rgf7 34. Ke1 Kd6 35. Ke2 Rc8 36. Ra1 Rcf8 37. Rc1 Rc8[/pgn]