Crazyhouse tournaments and rating list

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Ferdy wrote: This is my preliminary drafted conditions.
https://sites.google.com/site/zhassocia ... mpionships

What would be the pairings? 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc? Then the semifinals and then the final?

I suggest a 4RR with the 8 engines, the first 4 qualify and then they play a 16RR, the first engine is the champion, or something like that.

Ferdy · Post by **Ferdy** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:21 pm

Carlos777 wrote:
Ferdy wrote: This is my preliminary drafted conditions.
https://sites.google.com/site/zhassocia ... mpionships
What would be the pairings? 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc? Then the semifinals and then the final?

I suggest a 4RR with the 8 engines, the first 4 qualify and then they play a 16RR, the first engine is the champion, or something like that.

I have other idea to make lower rated engine have more chance to qualify or more games to play. Single elimination is too much for lower rated engines, and I don't like an RR of 4 or more engines because the strength of these engines have higher gaps.
Imortal 2.5 would also introduce more gaps on lower rated engines if those engines will not update.

Run a 2 or 3-round swiss, then only the top 4 will advance to semi-final. At semis, 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4. Winners at semis will advance in championships match, winner will get gold, loser will get silver. Losers in semis will fight for bronze.

In swiss can be best in 16 games per match. In semis can best of 32 games, finals can be best in 64 games.

TC in swiss can be 30m + 10s inc, TC in semis can be 60m + 20s inc and finals can be 90m + 30s.

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:18 pm

Ferdy wrote:
Carlos777 wrote:
Ferdy wrote: This is my preliminary drafted conditions.
https://sites.google.com/site/zhassocia ... mpionships
What would be the pairings? 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc? Then the semifinals and then the final?

I suggest a 4RR with the 8 engines, the first 4 qualify and then they play a 16RR, the first engine is the champion, or something like that.
I have other idea to make lower rated engine have more chance to qualify or more games to play. Single elimination is too much for lower rated engines, and I don't like an RR of 4 or more engines because the strength of these engines have higher gaps.
Imortal 2.5 would also introduce more gaps on lower rated engines if those engines will not update.

Run a 2 or 3-round swiss, then only the top 4 will advance to semi-final. At semis, 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4. Winners at semis will advance in championships match, winner will get gold, loser will get silver. Losers in semis will fight for bronze.

In swiss can be best in 16 games per match. In semis can best of 32 games, finals can be best in 64 games.

TC in swiss can be 30m + 10s inc, TC in semis can be 60m + 20s inc and finals can be 90m + 30s.

Imortal 2.5

Hope you release it soon.

I see your point about the RR but it would be only 4 games per match. I don't like a 3 round swiss to select the 4 best. I think it adds some randomness that does not allow the best to qualify, but it is just my opinion of course.

For example:

http://challonge.com/es/ccva_swiss_tour_n5_rapid

Sjaak did not play Sunsetter nor Sjeng and it qualified 4th. This is a 5 rounds swiss tournament (imagine if it was a 3 round tournament.)

Ferdy · Post by **Ferdy** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:27 am

Carlos777 wrote:
Ferdy wrote:
Carlos777 wrote:
Ferdy wrote: This is my preliminary drafted conditions.
https://sites.google.com/site/zhassocia ... mpionships
What would be the pairings? 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, etc? Then the semifinals and then the final?

I suggest a 4RR with the 8 engines, the first 4 qualify and then they play a 16RR, the first engine is the champion, or something like that.
I have other idea to make lower rated engine have more chance to qualify or more games to play. Single elimination is too much for lower rated engines, and I don't like an RR of 4 or more engines because the strength of these engines have higher gaps.
Imortal 2.5 would also introduce more gaps on lower rated engines if those engines will not update.

Run a 2 or 3-round swiss, then only the top 4 will advance to semi-final. At semis, 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4. Winners at semis will advance in championships match, winner will get gold, loser will get silver. Losers in semis will fight for bronze.

In swiss can be best in 16 games per match. In semis can best of 32 games, finals can be best in 64 games.

TC in swiss can be 30m + 10s inc, TC in semis can be 60m + 20s inc and finals can be 90m + 30s.
Imortal 2.5 Hope you release it soon.

I see your point about the RR but it would be only 4 games per match. I don't like a 3 round swiss to select the 4 best. I think it adds some randomness that does not allow the best to qualify, but it is just my opinion of course.

For example:

http://challonge.com/es/ccva_swiss_tour_n5_rapid

Sjaak did not play Sunsetter nor Sjeng and it qualified 4th. This is a 5 rounds swiss tournament (imagine if it was a 3 round tournament.)

Initially one of the goals of this preliminary swiss is to have the top two seeds tested to enter the top 4 (assuming there are no other updates), and top 1 and top 2 seeds will not meet at this preliminary. But it seems they will meet at round 3

, and a 2-round swiss seems too short.

So another plan in the preliminary could be like this. Divide the players into 2 groups seeds 1, 3, 5, 7, will be entered to grp1, and seeds 2, 4, 6, 8 to grp2. In each group do a double KO elimination. The goal is to find the best 2 players in each group. Assuming seeds 3 and 4 will be defeated by seeds 1 and top 2 in their respective group, they still have a chance to qualify since it is a double KO.

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:48 am

Ferdy wrote: So another plan in the preliminary could be like this. Divide the players into 2 groups seeds 1, 3, 5, 7, will be entered to grp1, and seeds 2, 4, 6, 8 to grp2. In each group do a double KO elimination. The goal is to find the best 2 players in each group. Assuming seeds 3 and 4 will be defeated by seeds 1 and top 2 in their respective group, they still have a chance to qualify since it is a double KO.

This is a good idea.

Ferdy · Post by **Ferdy** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:35 pm

CCVA Tour Nr9
A 2-stage, 2 group, double elim format at Lightning TC 1m+1s inc.
Also use NebiyuAlien 1.45a, which fixes its move format problem thru the use of inbetween program.

http://challonge.com/ccva_2_stage_tour_nr9

There is a high possibility that this format (except TC and number of games) will be used in the 1st CCVA computer Championship.

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:46 pm

Ferdy wrote:CCVA Tour Nr9
A 2-stage, 2 group, double elim format at Lightning TC 1m+1s inc.
Also use NebiyuAlien 1.45a, which fixes its move format problem thru the use of inbetween program.

http://challonge.com/ccva_2_stage_tour_nr9

There is a high possibility that this format (except TC and number of games) will be used in the 1st CCVA computer Championship.

Nice format. Looking forward to your LTC tournament.

These are my results at 15'+3" with 8 selected openings:

Code: Select all

Computer Chess Game
2016.09.22 - 2016.09.24
                       Score     TJchess 1.3      Imortal 2.0      Sunsetter 7g     Sjeng 11.2       Sjaak II 1.3.1a 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1&#58; TJchess 1.3      51.5 / 64   XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 111110111001=010 0111011011101100 1111111111111111 1111110111111111  (+51 -12 =1&#41;
 2&#58; Imortal 2.0      42.5 / 64   000001000110=101 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1000101101110111 1111010110111111 1011111111111011  (+42 -21 =1&#41;
 3&#58; Sunsetter 7g     37.5 / 64   1000100100010011 0111010010001000 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 10111111=1111110 0101101111110111  (+37 -26 =1&#41;
 4&#58; Sjeng 11.2       14.5 / 64   0000000000000000 0000101001000000 01000000=0000001 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 0111000110011110  (+14 -49 =1&#41;
 5&#58; Sjaak II 1.3.1a  14.0 / 64   0000001000000000 0100000000000100 1010010000001000 1000111001100001 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  (+14 -50 =0&#41;
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
160 games&#58; +90 -68 =2

Ferdy · Post by **Ferdy** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:50 pm

Carlos777 wrote:
Ferdy wrote:CCVA Tour Nr9
A 2-stage, 2 group, double elim format at Lightning TC 1m+1s inc.
Also use NebiyuAlien 1.45a, which fixes its move format problem thru the use of inbetween program.

http://challonge.com/ccva_2_stage_tour_nr9

There is a high possibility that this format (except TC and number of games) will be used in the 1st CCVA computer Championship.
Nice format. Looking forward to your LTC tournament.

These are my results at 15'+3" with 8 selected openings:
Code: Select all
Computer Chess Game
2016.09.22 - 2016.09.24
                       Score     TJchess 1.3      Imortal 2.0      Sunsetter 7g     Sjeng 11.2       Sjaak II 1.3.1a 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1&#58; TJchess 1.3      51.5 / 64   XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 111110111001=010 0111011011101100 1111111111111111 1111110111111111  (+51 -12 =1&#41;
 2&#58; Imortal 2.0      42.5 / 64   000001000110=101 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 1000101101110111 1111010110111111 1011111111111011  (+42 -21 =1&#41;
 3&#58; Sunsetter 7g     37.5 / 64   1000100100010011 0111010010001000 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 10111111=1111110 0101101111110111  (+37 -26 =1&#41;
 4&#58; Sjeng 11.2       14.5 / 64   0000000000000000 0000101001000000 01000000=0000001 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 0111000110011110  (+14 -49 =1&#41;
 5&#58; Sjaak II 1.3.1a  14.0 / 64   0000001000000000 0100000000000100 1010010000001000 1000111001100001 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  (+14 -50 =0&#41;
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
160 games&#58; +90 -68 =2

I limit my test to blitz mostly as this will be used in seeding the engines for the champs. Also my computer is busy so I have not much time at this time for LTC.

The fixed Nebiyu seems very strong at STC. It could be a challenge to Sjaak and Sjeng.

If you have a pgn of that results, you may send it to me I can add it in rapid rating list.

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:11 am

Ferdy wrote: I limit my test to blitz mostly as this will be used in seeding the engines for the champs. Also my computer is busy so I have not much time at this time for LTC.

The fixed Nebiyu seems very strong at STC. It could be a challenge to Sjaak and Sjeng.

If you have a pgn of that results, you may send it to me I can add it in rapid rating list.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/9s4hu ... yRapid.pgn

I am running a gauntlet for Feuerstein and your fix for Nebiyu will follow.

Ferdy · Post by **Ferdy** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:30 am

Carlos777 wrote:
Ferdy wrote: I limit my test to blitz mostly as this will be used in seeding the engines for the champs. Also my computer is busy so I have not much time at this time for LTC.

The fixed Nebiyu seems very strong at STC. It could be a challenge to Sjaak and Sjeng.

If you have a pgn of that results, you may send it to me I can add it in rapid rating list.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9s4hu ... yRapid.pgn

I am running a gauntlet for Feuerstein and your fix for Nebiyu will follow.

Thanks.

Rapid Rating is updated with your pgn.
https://sites.google.com/site/zhassocia ... list/rapid

Game downloads:
https://sites.google.com/site/zhassociation/download

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