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Ronald de Man



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PostPost subject: Re: fortress_draw_rule    Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:55 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

Evert wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
The game was already a white win: SF had been showing 105cps from the early mg, Houdini some 80cps. That is a win, however you would like to look at it.

So evaluating a position at +0.80 constitutes a win? This is new to me.
I for one don't think this is a rule that should be adopted.

SF quickly reached +1.05 and got stuck there:
[D]2r1r3/p2b1kbQ/1p1ppqp1/6P1/P2N4/1P2BP2/2P5/1K1R3R b - - 0 24
   :: BR :: BR ::    ::
BP    :: BB :: BK BB WQ
   BP    BP BP BQ BP ::
::    ::    ::    WP    
WP ::    WN    ::    ::
:: WP ::    WB WP ::    
   :: WP ::    ::    ::
:: WK :: WR ::    :: WR

8 moves later H5 reached +0.77, which was the worst score it showed throughout the game:
[D]6r1/p4kbQ/1p4R1/3p1bP1/P7/1P6/K1r5/3R4 w - - 2 32
   ::    ::    :: BR ::
BP    ::    :: BK BB WQ
   BP    ::    :: WR ::
::    :: BP :: BB WP    
WP ::    ::    ::    ::
:: WP ::    ::    ::    
WK :: BR ::    ::    ::
::    :: WR ::    ::    


If +1.05 / +0.77 "proves" a win, then this proof was based on the 50-move rule being fully in force:
- the tree search of both engines know about the 50-move rule;
- the TBs they probe know about the 50-move rule.

So very clearly the scores shown by the engine are not at all proof of a win for white. Neither engine could possibly have known that a drawn 5-piece position was going to be adjudicated as win. They both knew very well that that 5-piece position was in fact a draw by the 50-move rule. Yet the game ended up in that position (with both engines correctly showing 0.00).

It is still possible that the position at, say, move 32 was a win for white when ignoring the 50-move rule, but the engine could not see that. The best we can do is run the position through SF with Syzygy50MoveRule set to false, which switches to the ICCF rule.

So I did that and the score gets stuck at +1.14. This suggests that since black cannot escape to a QvBB draw, it has to allow white slightly more space or something. But white still seems unable to make progress.
Code:
info depth 54 seldepth 116 multipv 1 score cp 114 nodes 32395314823 nps 23356138 hashfull 999 tbhits 116729831 time 1387015 pv a2a3 f5g6 d1f1 f7e7 h7g8 g7b2 a3b4 b2c3 b4b5 g6d3 b5c6 c3e5 c6b7 c2c7 b7a8 d3f1 g8d5 e5d6 g5g6 f1a6 g6g7 a6b7 d5b7 c7b7 g7g8q b7c7 g8g7 e7e6 g7d4 e6e7 d4e4 e7d7 e4d5 d7e7 d5g5 e7e6 g5g6 e6e7 g6g8 a7a5 g8d5 e7d7 d5f5 d7e7 f5b5 d6c5 a8b8 c5d6 b5e2 e7d7 e2g4 d7e7 g4e4 e7d7 e4h7 d7e6 h7h3 e6f6 h3f3 f6e6 f3e3 e6d7 e3h3 d7c6 h3g2 c6c5 g2f2 c5c6 f2f3 c6d7 f3f7 d7c6 f7e8 c6d5 e8g8 d5e5 g8g3 e5e6 g3e1 e6d7 b8a8 d7c6 e1h1 c6d7 h1d5 d7e7 d5f5 d6c5 f5e5 e7d7 e5f6 c5d6 f6f7 d7c6 f7c4 c6d7 c4b5 d7e7 b5e2 e7d7 e2g4 d7e7 g4g6 d6c5 g6g3 c5d6 g3e1 e7d7 e1e4 d6c5 e4e5


Even if white did have a winning position when ignoring the 50-move rule, the 50-move rule was in place and black made use of it, so black simply deserved to draw.

I wonder if without the adjudication, anyone would have considered the 50-move draw that would have been played out on the board to be unfair. (Actually, it would not have been played out as the TCEC draw rule would have kicked in long before.) To be honest, I do not wonder about this because I am sure that nobody would have seen anything unfair in it.
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                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Michael B Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:50 pm
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Dan Cooper Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:07 pm
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC S.Taylor Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:24 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Robert Hyatt Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:46 pm
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Sven Schüle Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:24 pm
                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC Greg Simpson Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:28 am
                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Sven Schüle Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:07 am
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Andreas Paulick Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:24 pm
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Mohan Jayaraman Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:46 am
                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:36 am
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Uri Blass Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:00 am
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Michael B Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:35 am
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Joerg Oster Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:09 am
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:09 pm
                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC Michael B Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:55 pm
                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:31 pm
                                                Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:45 pm
                                                      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:48 pm
                                                Re: Cursed win at TCEC Michael B Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:00 pm
                                                      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:34 pm
                                                            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:58 pm
                                                                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:00 pm
                                                                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:09 pm
                                                                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:05 pm
                                                                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC H.G.Muller Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:28 pm
                                                                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:13 am
                                                                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:06 am
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC S.Taylor Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:33 am
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:52 am
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Jouni Uski Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:43 am
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:01 am
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:04 am
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:14 am
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Joona Kiiski Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:36 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC H.G.Muller Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:47 pm
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:09 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC H.G.Muller Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:28 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:41 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Thomas Lagershausen Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:47 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Basil Falcinelli Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:43 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Robert Maddox Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:33 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Eric Mullins Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:55 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Basil Falcinelli Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:49 am
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Kai Laskos Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:13 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:50 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Basil Falcinelli Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:20 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:09 pm
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:20 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:54 am
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC H.G.Muller Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:53 am
                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:37 am
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Krishna Chakravartula Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:52 pm
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Juan Molina Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:42 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:28 pm
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:38 pm
                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC Joseph Ellis Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:49 pm
                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Eric Mullins Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:42 pm
                                                Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:23 am
                                                      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Nuno Sousa Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:52 am
                                                            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:24 pm
                                                                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Guenther Simon Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:50 pm
                                                                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:40 am
                                                                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:54 am
                                                                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ferdinand Mosca Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:01 am
                                                                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:21 am
                                                                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:02 am
                                                                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:26 pm
                                                                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:23 pm
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