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Evert Glebbeek



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PostPost subject: Re: fortress_draw_rule    Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:29 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

Evert wrote:

I'll ask you again: how is it more unjust to be deprived of a win than to be deprived of a draw?

Let me rephrase this differently.

Once upon a time, it was realised that there are 5-men positions that could be won, except for the 50-move rule kicking in (I remember it came up during a Timman-Yusupov game). In current parlance, they are cursed wins. This was deemed unfair, and the rule was changed so it was 50 moves, except in certain endings where it was 75.
Just a few years later, more cursed wins, with longer move chains, were discovered. It was realised that the rule as it was just made arbitrary exceptions, and was not fair. So a choice had to be made:
1. Keep the unfair rule as it was.
2. Revise the rule every time a new cursed win was found.
3. Abolish the rule entirely.
4. Revert to the plain 50-move rule.

Obviously, 4 was the choice made. The other options all have more undesirable features (arbitrary, not scalable, open for abuse).

Now, you claim that the existence of cursed wins makes the game less interesting, at least for computer chess, and the cursed wins should be treated as normal wins. In effect, this is option (2) above, but we might as well consider (3) because as technology improves, that's what it'd end up coming down to anyway. Does this make for a better game? I'll argue why I think it does not. You're free, of course, to push for your "Tsvetkov's Chess" that has different rules.

First of all, many of these extremely long wins feature move sequences that are utterly incomprehensible. Is it interesting as a spectator game? Not really.
More importantly, the game-theoretic value of the opening position of FIDE Chess is (almost certainly) a draw. It's possible that this is entirely due to the 50-move rule. We don't know the outcome of Chess without this rule. If it's still a draw, then it doesn't really matter much in the end. On the other hand, perhaps the opening position is really a cursed win. If that is the case, abandoning the 50-move rule makes the game a win for white.

So, what is more interesting: a game where Black's job is to defend the draw and keep White from winning by playing accurately, or a game where Black's job is to hope White makes a mistake, because there's nothing he/she can actually do themselves to affect the outcome of the game?
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      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Dan Cooper Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:35 pm
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                                                                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:13 am
                                                                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:06 am
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC S.Taylor Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:33 am
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:52 am
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Jouni Uski Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:43 am
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:01 am
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:04 am
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:14 am
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Joona Kiiski Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:36 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC H.G.Muller Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:47 pm
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:09 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC H.G.Muller Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:28 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:41 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Thomas Lagershausen Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:47 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Basil Falcinelli Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:43 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Robert Maddox Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:33 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Eric Mullins Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:55 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Basil Falcinelli Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:49 am
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Kai Laskos Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:13 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:50 pm
      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Basil Falcinelli Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:20 pm
            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:09 pm
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ralph Stoesser Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:20 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:54 am
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC H.G.Muller Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:53 am
                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:37 am
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Krishna Chakravartula Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:52 pm
                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Juan Molina Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:42 pm
                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:28 pm
                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:38 pm
                                    Re: Cursed win at TCEC Joseph Ellis Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:49 pm
                                          Re: Cursed win at TCEC Eric Mullins Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:42 pm
                                                Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:23 am
                                                      Re: Cursed win at TCEC Nuno Sousa Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:52 am
                                                            Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:24 pm
                                                                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Guenther Simon Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:50 pm
                                                                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:40 am
                                                                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:54 am
                                                                  Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ferdinand Mosca Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:01 am
                                                                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:21 am
                                                                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Evert Glebbeek Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:02 am
                                                                        Re: Cursed win at TCEC Norm Pollock Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:26 pm
                                                                              Re: Cursed win at TCEC Ronald de Man Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:23 pm
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