do any programs announce mate in 35 on 18.Bh3...

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pilgrimdan
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Re: do any programs announce mate in 35 on 18.Bh3...

Post by pilgrimdan »

Waschbaer wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2017.4.23"]
[Round ""]
[White "CM16"]
[Black "Botv16"]
[TimeControl ""]
[Result "1-0"]


18. ...gxf4!

19.Bxe6+ Kh8 20.Rad1 Bc8 21.Bxd7 fxg3 22.Bxc6 gxh2+ 23.Kh1 Bg4 24.Nxh2 Bxd1 25.Rxd1 Nxc6 26.Rxd8 Raxd8 27.Nd5 Bc5 28.f4 Nd4 29.Qd1 Rd6 30.Ng4 Rg6 31.a4 Rfg8 32.Ndf6 Rd8 33.Qd3 Ne6 34.Qf3 Rg7 35.e5 Nd4 36.Qe4 Ne6 37.a5 Rd1+ 38.Kh2 Rd2+ 39.Kh3 Rd8 40.Kh4 Be7 41.axb6 a5 42.Kh3 a4 43.Nh5 Rg6 44.b7 a3 45.Qb1 Rdg8 46.b8=Q Rxg4 47.Qxg8+ Rxg8 48.Qb7 a2 49.Qa7 Rf8 50.Kg4 Rg8+ 51.Kf5 Nc7 52.Qxa2 Rf8+ 53.Ke4 Ra8 54.Qb2 Ne6 55.f5 Nc5+ 56.Ke3 Bg5+ 57.Kf3 Nd3 58.Qc3 Kg8 59.e6 Ra7 60.Qd4 Rf7 61.f6 Bxf6 62.Nxf6+ Kg7 63.exf7 Kxf7 64.Nd5 Kg8 65.Qf6 Ne5+ 66.Qxe5 h6 67.Qe7 Kh8 68.Nf6 h5 69.Qh7# 1-0

For Houdini 5 using IDeA 28.f4 looks wrong

28. f4 Rg8

The eval Houdini calculated is about 0 for 29. Nf3

So what would you play after 28. ... Rg8 ?

(Any hint how to post IDeA output?)
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 b6 3.d4 e6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 d5 8.Qc2 Nc6 9.a3 dxc4 10.bxc4 Bb7 11.e3 a6 12.O-O Na7 13.Nc3 O-O 14.e4 Nd7 15.d5 c6 16.dxe6 fxe6 17.Bf4 g5 18.Bh3 gxf4 19.Bxe6+ Kh8 20.Rad1 Bc8 21.Bxd7 fxg3 22.Bxc6 gxh2+ 23.Kh1 Bg4 24.Nxh2 Bxd1 25.Rxd1 Nxc6 26.Rxd8 Raxd8 27.Nd5 Bc5 28.f4 Rg8
[d]3r2rk/7p/ppn5/2bN4/2P1PP2/P7/2Q4N/7K w - - 0 29

29.Nf3 Rd6 30.Ng5 Rh6+ 31.Kg2 Nd4 32.Qb2 Rg7 33.a4 Rhg6 34.a5 h6 35.axb6 hxg5 36.f5 Rxb6 37.Nxb6 Rb7 38.Kg3 Rxb6 39.Qh2+ Kg8 40.Kg4 Bf8 41.e5 Bg7 42.e6 Nxe6 43.fxe6 Rxe6 44.c5 Re4+ 45.Kxg5 Re5+46.Kg6 Re6+ 47.Kf5 Rc6 48.Qg2 Rc7 49.c6 Re7 50.Qd5+ Kh7 51.Qd3 Ba1 52.Qd8 Re5+ 53.Kf4 Rh5 54.Qe7+ Kg6 55.Qe8+ Kh6 56.c7 Be5+ 57.Qxe5 Rh4+ 58.Kf5 Rh5+ 59.Kf6 Rxe5 60.c8=Q Kh7 61.Qc7+ Kh6 62.Qxe5 Kh7 63.Qc7+ Kg8 64.Qg7# 1-0
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Dann Corbit
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Re: do any programs announce mate in 35 on 18.Bh3...

Post by Dann Corbit »

A 45 ply search by Asmfish gives a ce of 290 for Be3.
I do not think that there is any mate in 35.
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Re: do any programs announce mate in 35 on 18.Bh3...

Post by Dann Corbit »

Not a fast machine.

Output log:

Code: Select all

Analysis of Q:\epp.epd   
4/24/2017 6:50:55 PM Level: 39600 Seconds
Analyzing engine: AsmFishW_2017-04-24_base

 1                      
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (AsmFishW_2017-04-24_base): Bf4-e3
    Not found in: 11:00:00
     2/2	00:00	       1,848	369,600	+0.59	Nd4 gxf4
     3/3	00:00	       2,015	403,000	+2.43	Nd4 Rxf4 gxf4
     4/4	00:00	       2,226	445,200	+2.71	Nd4 Rxf4 gxf4 gxf4
     5/5	00:00	       2,553	510,600	+0.37	Bd2 g4 Nd4 Nc5 Nde2
     6/6	00:00	       3,225	537,500	+0.37	Bd2 g4 Nd4 Nc5 Nde2 Nd3
     7/8	00:00	       8,038	1,004,750	+0.30	Bc1 c5 h4 gxh4 Bh6 hxg3 Bxf8 gxf2+ Qxf2 Bxf8
     8/9	00:00	     742,115	3,637,818	+1.46	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7
     9/12	00:00	     745,664	3,637,385	+1.46	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qd2 Rd8 Bxg5 Ba4
    10/16	00:00	     749,978	3,640,669	+1.53	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Ne5 Qc7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qd2 Bc6 Bxg5
    11/16	00:01	     753,415	3,639,685	+1.53	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Ne5 Qc7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qd2 Bc6 Bxg5 Rad8 Qc1 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Qg7
    12/22	00:01	   1,775,089	4,350,708	+1.58	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qb2 Rb8 Qd2 Rd8 Rb1 Bc6 Qc1 b5 Bxg5 bxc4 Bh6
    13/26	00:01	   1,817,332	4,337,307	+1.36	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 Rab1 Nc6 Rxb6 Nd4 Qd2 Qd8
    14/26	00:01	   1,828,000	4,342,042	+1.36	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 Rab1 Nc6 Rxb6 Nd4 Qc1 Qd8 Rb7 Bc6 Rb2 g4
    15/26	00:01	   2,134,338	4,391,641	+1.43	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qe2 Kh8 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 f4 gxf4 Bxf4 Nc6 Bc7 b5 Rxf8+ Bxf8 cxb5 Nd4 Be5+ Bg7 Bxg7+ Kxg7
    16/33	00:02	   7,472,255	4,490,537	+1.57	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qe2 Kh8 Ne5 Qc7 Ng4 Ne5 f4 Nxg4 Qxg4 gxf4 Bxf4 e5 Be3 Rxf1+ Rxf1 Rf8 Nd5 Rxf1+ Kxf1 Qd6 Qf5 Bd8 Qf7 Bd7
    17/34	00:02	   7,505,672	4,486,355	+1.73	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qe2 Kh8 Ne5 Qc7 Ng4 Ne5 f4 Nxg4 Qxg4 gxf4 Bxf4 e5 Be3 Rxf1+ Rxf1 Rf8 Nd5 Qd6 Rxf8+ Bxf8 Qf5 Bd7 Qf7 Nc6 Nxb6
    18/34	00:03	  10,732,425	4,765,730	+1.85	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qe2 Bf6 e5 Be7 Nxg5 Bxg5 Qg4 Rf5 Ne4 Qe8 Bxg5 Nxe5 Qxf5 exf5 Nf6+ Kf7 Nxe8 Rxe8 Rd6
    19/34+	00:04	  16,942,030	4,899,372	+2.11	Be3
    19/34-	00:04	  16,963,339	4,898,451	+2.00	Be3 c5
    19/34	00:04	  17,575,303	4,884,742	+1.83	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qe2 Kh8 Ne5 Qc7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qb2 Kg8 Qc1 g4 Bf4 Qb7 Bh6 Rf7 Qe3 Nc6 e5 Qc7 Rxd7 Qxd7 Rd1
    20/34+	00:04	  20,096,470	4,964,542	+1.90	Be3
    20/34-	00:04	  20,100,143	4,964,224	+1.83	Be3 c5
    20/34	00:04	  20,172,310	4,961,217	+1.75	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qe2 Kh8 Ne5 Qc7 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qb2 Kg8 Qc1 g4 Bf4 Qb7 Bh6 Rf7 Qe3 Kh8 f4 gxf3 Rxf3 Rxf3 Bxf3 Rg8
    21/34-	00:07	  34,333,926	5,048,364	+1.68	Be3 c5
    21/43-	00:08	  37,008,382	5,083,568	+1.61	Be3 c5
    21/43+	00:10	  50,071,051	5,168,357	+1.68	Bc1
    21/43+	00:11	  53,276,518	5,132,118	+1.83	Bc1
    21/43+	00:13	  65,777,883	5,181,808	+2.04	Be3
    21/43	00:13	  66,011,807	5,181,460	+2.01	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Rab1 Rb8 Qc1 h6 h4 gxh4 Bxh6 hxg3 fxg3 Qe8 Bxf8 Qxf8 Ne2 Nc8 Qe3 b5 Nf4 Qg7 Bh3 Nf8 Kg2 Nd6 Nxe6
    22/43+	00:14	  69,526,787	5,195,545	+2.08	Be3
    22/43+	00:14	  72,770,969	5,205,734	+2.15	Be3
    22/43+	00:17	  89,647,316	5,249,901	+2.26	Be3
    22/43-	00:18	  92,016,478	5,252,981	+2.17	Be3 c5
    22/43	00:18	  92,198,755	5,251,395	+2.05	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Rab1 Rb8 Qc1 h6 h4 gxh4 Bxh6 hxg3 fxg3 Qc7 Bf4 Rxf4 gxf4 Rf8 Bh3 Qxf4 Bxe6+ Kg7 Qxf4 Rxf4 Nd5 Rxf3 Nxe7 Ne5 Rxb6
    23/43+	00:20	 101,971,075	5,267,645	+2.12	Be3
    23/43-	00:20	 105,437,314	5,272,392	+2.05	Be3 c5
    23/47+	00:21	 108,536,913	5,273,902	+2.12	Be3
    23/47-	00:21	 109,103,325	5,272,729	+2.03	Be3 c5
    23/47+	00:21	 111,622,206	5,272,410	+2.15	Be3
    23/47-	00:21	 111,818,646	5,271,480	+1.98	Be3 c5
    23/47	00:22	 112,199,610	5,271,299	+1.94	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Rab1 Rb8 Qc1 h6 h4 gxh4 Bxh6 hxg3 fxg3 Qe8 Bxf8 Qxf8 Ne2 Nc8 Bh3 Qf6 Qf4 Qxf4 Nxf4 Nf8 Nd2 Nd6 e5 Nf7 Re1 Bd7 Kf2
    24/47+	00:24	 125,467,219	5,284,387	+2.10	Be3
    24/47	00:28	 144,774,561	5,302,708	+2.12	Be3 c5 Rfd1 Bc6 Rab1 Kh8 Qc1 h6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 Rxb6 Nc8 Rb1 Bc6 Qb2 Kg8 f4 Ra7 Qe2 Rb7 Rxb7 Bxb7 e5 Bxg2 Qxg2 Nb6 Qh3
    25/47-	00:29	 151,911,469	5,309,733	+2.05	Be3 c5
    25/47-	00:30	 158,042,074	5,315,554	+1.97	Be3 c5
    25/47-	00:31	 161,357,301	5,318,127	+1.87	Be3 c5
    25/47+	00:34	 180,777,630	5,330,786	+2.07	Be3
    25/47	00:43	 228,489,011	5,382,164	+2.21	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Rc8 Qc1 h6 h4 Qe8 hxg5 Qh5 g4 Qg6 Rxd7 Bxd7 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Qxd7 gxh6 Nc6 g5 Kh7 f4 Na5 f5 Bxg5 Bxg5 Nxc4 f6 Qd4+ Kh1 b5
    26/47+	00:50	 266,830,228	5,415,893	+2.29	Be3
    26/47+	00:55	 296,859,606	5,423,876	+2.36	Be3
    26/47-	00:57	 309,559,025	5,427,146	+2.29	Be3 c5
    26/47-	00:58	 313,457,125	5,427,359	+2.13	Be3 c5
    26/47+	01:02	 337,200,445	5,434,947	+2.25	Be3
    26/47	01:11	 384,161,058	5,447,238	+2.34	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Qe8 Nxg5 Bf6 f4 Bxg5 fxg5 Rxf1+ Bxf1 Rd8 Bh3 Qe7 Bf4 Nc8 Qd2 Re8 Bg2 Qg7 e5 Bxg2 Qxg2 Nxe5 Ne4 Rf8 Nf6+ Rxf6 gxf6 Qxf6
    27/47+	01:21	 438,785,282	5,460,992	+2.41	Be3
    27/47-	01:22	 445,107,163	5,461,638	+2.34	Be3 c5
    27/47	01:25	 465,281,642	5,464,964	+2.37	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Qe8 Nxg5 Bf6 f4 Bxg5 fxg5 Rxf1+ Bxf1 Nc8 Be2 Ra7 a4 Rb7 Qc2 Ne5 Bf4 Ng6 Bh5 Rd7 Be3 Qe7 Rf1
    28/47-	01:31	 495,015,114	5,472,501	+2.29	Be3 c5
    28/47-	01:31	 499,112,506	5,472,364	+2.22	Be3 c5
    28/47+	01:33	 508,875,144	5,473,011	+2.29	Be3
    28/47	01:47	 583,502,096	5,484,557	+2.35	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Bf6 Bh3 g4 Bxg4 Qe7 Bf4 Rae8 Bh5 Bxe4 Bd6 Qg7 Bxf8 Rxf8 Qe2 Bf5 Ne4 Nc6 Rd6 Nd4 Nxf6+ Nxf6 Nxd4 cxd4 Bf3 Nd7 Be4 Bg4 f3 Bh3 Rf2 e5 Rc6 Qf7 Rd6 Re8
    29/47-	01:59	 649,847,710	5,487,790	+2.27	Be3 c5
    29/47-	02:01	 662,771,417	5,488,017	+2.20	Be3 c5
    29/47-	02:14	 732,977,832	5,473,374	+2.09	Be3 c5
    29/48+	02:19	 758,760,007	5,467,122	+2.18	Be3
    29/48+	02:29	 814,300,591	5,465,031	+2.39	Be3
    29/63-	02:57	 960,583,962	5,443,512	+2.22	Be3 c5
    29/63	03:00	 977,877,763	5,446,603	+2.29	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 h6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qxb6 Nc6 e5 Rc8 Qxa6 Nxe5 f4 Nc6 Nb5 gxf4 Bxf4 Nd4 Nd6 Bxd6 Qxd6 Rf5 Rfe1 Rd8 Qb6 Rc8 Be5 Nc6 Ba1 Rb8 Qc7 Nd4 Bxd4 cxd4 Rxd4
    30/63-	03:10	1,035,307,264	5,458,667	+2.22	Be3 c5
    30/63+	03:12	1,048,673,877	5,459,909	+2.29	Be3
    30/63-	03:22	1,103,025,913	5,466,613	+2.22	Be3 c5
    30/63+	03:26	1,125,261,383	5,457,559	+2.31	Be3
    30/63-	03:27	1,130,822,275	5,458,295	+2.18	Be3 c5
    30/63+	03:37	1,179,733,798	5,454,256	+2.35	Be3
    30/63	04:29	1,465,083,092	5,454,658	+2.39	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Bf6 Bh3 Qe7 Nxg5 Ne5 Nxe6 Nf3+ Kh1 Bxc3 Qxc3 Bxe4 Nxf8 Rxf8 Bh6 Rf6 Bg2 Nc6 Qe3 Kh8 Rd5 Bxd5 cxd5 Qxe3 Bxe3 Ncd4 Rd1 Rf8 Bxf3 Nxf3 Kg2 Ne5 f4
    31/63+	04:40	1,522,835,786	5,446,168	+2.47	Be3
    31/63+	05:24	1,765,971,603	5,455,749	+2.54	Be3
    31/63-	05:41	1,859,689,451	5,460,937	+2.47	Be3 c5
    31/63+	06:12	2,032,029,685	5,466,015	+2.56	Be3
    31/63-	06:36	2,166,725,089	5,469,759	+2.41	Be3 Qe8
    31/63+	07:04	2,317,239,364	5,470,360	+2.60	Be3
    31/63	08:43	2,867,535,206	5,483,792	+2.57	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Nxc4 Qe2 Ne5 Rxb6 Bc8 h3 Nac6 Rxc6 Nxc6 Qxg4+ Kh8 Qe2 Ne5 Na4 c4 f4 Nd3 Qc2 e5 Qxc4 Ne1 Qc3 Nxg2 Kxg2 Bf6 fxe5 Bg7 Bg5 Rde8
    32/63-	09:14	3,041,599,989	5,496,652	+2.50	Be3 c5
    32/63+	09:19	3,072,837,843	5,499,614	+2.57	Be3
    32/63	10:56	3,619,850,555	5,522,509	+2.57	Be3 Qe8 Nxg5 Bxg5 Bxg5 c5 Rad1 Nc6 Ne2 Nde5 f4 Qh5 Bh4 Ng6 Bf3 Qh6 Bg5 Qg7 Bg4 Rae8 Rd6 h6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Bxe6+ Rxe6 Rxe6 Qg7 Qd3 Nd4 Nxd4 cxd4 Qd2 Rf6 Rxf6 Qxf6 Rd1 Qc6 Qxd4 Qxe4 Qxe4 Bxe4
    33/63-	11:18	3,738,535,249	5,520,039	+2.50	Be3 Qe8
    33/63+	11:22	3,765,560,448	5,520,095	+2.57	Be3
    33/63-	12:20	4,084,093,956	5,521,814	+2.50	Be3 c5
    33/63+	12:23	4,103,716,965	5,521,700	+2.58	Be3
    33/63-	13:27	4,458,711,135	5,528,004	+2.46	Be3 c5
    33/63+	13:45	4,562,824,516	5,529,148	+2.63	Be3
    33/63	15:42	5,224,481,177	5,545,722	+2.65	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Rb8 Qc1 h6 h4 Qe8 hxg5 Qh5 g4 Qg6 gxh6 Rxf3 Bxf3 Ne5 Bg2 Nxg4 Bf4 Re8 f3 Nf6 Bg5 Kh7 f4 b5 Qe3 b4 axb4 Ng4 Qh3 cxb4 Ne2 Nf6 Qe3 Bxe4 Qxa7 Bxg2 Kxg2 Qe4+ Kh3
    34/63	17:52	5,955,293,920	5,557,328	+2.72	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Bf6 Bh3 Qe7 Nxg5 Ne5 Nxe6 Nf3+ Kh1 Bxc3 Qxc3 Bxe4 Nxf8 Rxf8 Bh6 Rf6 Bg2 Nc6 Qe3 Kh8 Rd5 Bxd5 cxd5 Qxe3 Bxe3 Ncd4 Rd1 Rd6 Bf4 Rd7 d6 Kg7 Bh3 Rd8 d7 Nb5 Bg4 Nc3
    35/63-	19:40	6,569,239,830	5,570,291	+2.64	Be3 c5
    35/63-	19:45	6,603,181,866	5,571,299	+2.57	Be3 c5
    35/63+	20:07	6,729,849,458	5,574,847	+2.64	Be3
    35/63-	23:51	8,039,324,865	5,618,762	+2.55	Be3 c5
    35/63+	24:08	8,133,106,943	5,619,623	+2.67	Be3
    35/63-	24:13	8,164,573,524	5,620,023	+2.51	Be3 c5
    35/63	24:35	8,289,075,185	5,621,148	+2.59	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Nac6 Rxb6 Bc8 Bf1 Nd4 Qc1 Ndf3+ Kh1 Nd3 Qc2 Nde5 Bf4 Rd4 Rb8 h5 Be2 Kf7 Qb1 Rh8 Ra8 Nxc4 Ra7 Nce5 Rc7 Rd7 Qb8 Rxc7 Qxc7 Nd7 Be3 Bf6 Na4 Kg6 Nxc5 Be5 Qa7 Nxc5 Qxc5
    36/63-	24:51	8,383,251,158	5,622,482	+2.52	Be3 c5
    36/63+	25:00	8,433,545,179	5,622,640	+2.59	Be3
    36/63-	25:23	8,566,372,202	5,623,997	+2.52	Be3 c5
    36/63+	25:52	8,728,899,710	5,626,799	+2.60	Be3
    36/63	26:59	9,108,028,623	5,627,287	+2.66	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Nac6 Rxb6 Bc8 Bf1 Nd4 Qc1 Ndf3+ Kh1 Nd3 Qc2 Nde5 Be2 Nd4 Qc1 Bd7 Bf4 Nxe2 Nxe2 Nd3 Qe3 Bc8 e5 Kh8 h4 a5 Kg1 Kg8 Rb1 a4 Qe4 Rf5 Rd1 Nxf4 Rxd8+ Bxd8 Nxf4
    37/63-	30:29	10,305,600,959	5,634,345	+2.59	Be3 c5
    37/63-	33:18	11,258,619,920	5,635,339	+2.52	Be3 Qc7
    37/63+	34:55	11,802,577,562	5,635,130	+2.59	Be3
    37/63	45:22	15,350,587,012	5,639,501	+2.57	Be3 Qe8 Nxg5 Bxg5 Bxg5 c5 Rad1 Nc6 Ne2 Nde5 f4 Qh5 Bh4 Ng6 Bf3 Qh6 Bg5 Qg7 Bg4 Rae8 Rd6 h6 Bxh6 Qxh6 Bxe6+ Rxe6 Rxe6 Qg7 Qd3 Rd8 Rd6 Rxd6 Qxd6 Nf8 f5 Qe5 Qd5+ Qxd5 cxd5 Ne5 Rd1 Kf7 Kf2 a5 Ke3 Ba6 Nc3 Nfd7 d6 Nc4+ Kf4 Nxa3 e5
    38/63-	47:10	15,961,126,907	5,639,627	+2.50	Be3 c5
    38/63+	47:15	15,989,601,265	5,639,766	+2.57	Be3
    38/63-	47:47	16,169,593,275	5,639,530	+2.50	Be3 c5
    38/63+	47:49	16,179,906,253	5,639,496	+2.59	Be3
    38/63-	48:43	16,488,619,280	5,640,631	+2.47	Be3 c5
    38/63	48:57	16,568,435,250	5,640,844	+2.56	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Nac6 Rxb6 Bc8 Bf1 Nd4 Qc1 Ndf3+ Kh1 Nd3 Qc2 Nde5 Bh6 Nd4 Qd2 Rf7 Bf4 Ndf3 Qe3 Bf6 Be2 Nd7 Rd6 Bd4 Qd3 Re8 Bxf3 gxf3 Kg1 Ne5 Bxe5 Bxe5 Rc6 Bd4 Kf1 Bd7 Rc7 Rd8 Qd2 Bg7 Rxc5
    39/63-	50:50	17,205,130,456	5,640,689	+2.49	Be3 c5
    39/63+	51:09	17,310,250,914	5,640,193	+2.56	Be3
    39/63-	52:11	17,657,728,466	5,639,888	+2.49	Be3 c5
    39/63-	55:00	18,635,881,390	5,648,037	+2.33	Be3 c5
    39/63+	57:30	19,508,367,788	5,654,245	+2.45	Be3
    39/66	1:05:44	22,367,689,229	5,672,426	+2.51	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Nac6 Rxb6 Bc8 Bf1 Nd4 Qb1 Ndf3+ Kh1 Nd2 Qc1 Nxf1 Qxf1 Nf3 Na4 Rf7 Rb8 Bd6 Ra8 Be7 Bxc5 Bd7 Rxd8+ Bxd8 Qd3 Bf6 Qc2 Bc6 Be3 Ne1 Qb1 Bxa4 Qxe1 Rd7 Bd2 Kf7 h3 Rd4 hxg4 Bc6 f3 Rxc4 Qe2
    40/66-	1:07:33	23,003,443,454	5,675,977	+2.44	Be3 c5
    40/66+	1:09:45	23,766,023,024	5,679,492	+2.51	Be3
    40/66+	1:33:30	32,015,192,718	5,706,955	+2.77	Be3
    40/66-	1:56:18	39,837,679,705	5,709,575	+2.65	Be3 g4
    40/66	2:04:01	42,248,456,036	5,677,916	+2.66	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 h6 Ne5 Qe8 Nxd7 Bxd7 Qxb6 Nc6 e5 Rc8 Ne4 Nxe5 Nd6 Rb8 Qc7 Bxd6 Qxd6 Rf5 g4 Nxg4 Qxd7 Qxd7 Rxd7 Nxe3 fxe3 Rb3 Rd6 Rxe3 Rxa6 Kf7 a4 Rxf1+ Bxf1 Ke7 a5 Ra3 Be2 Kd7 Bg4 Kc7 Bxe6 Kb7 Rb6+ Kc7 Bf5 Rxa5
    41/66-	2:11:04	44,357,095,023	5,640,766	+2.58	Be3 c5
    41/66+	2:13:18	45,117,287,119	5,641,385	+2.66	Be3
    41/66-	2:25:19	49,208,671,255	5,643,780	+2.58	Be3 c5
    41/66+	2:27:38	50,010,292,890	5,645,871	+2.67	Be3
    41/66	3:03:36	62,337,505,878	5,658,769	+2.83	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Nac6 Rxb6 Bc8 Qc1 Nd4 Kh1 Nd3 Qf1 Ne5 Bf4 Ng6 Bh6 Rf7 h3 Ne5 Nd1 Ndf3 hxg4 Nxg4 Bxf3 Rxf3 Be3 Nxe3 Nxe3 Rdf8 Qe1 Bd8 Rb8 Bc7 Ra8 Bb7 Ra7 Bxe4 Kg1 Bb8 Rxa6 Rxf2 Rxe6 Bxg3 Rxe4 Rg2+ Nxg2 Bxe1 Nxe1 h5
    42/66-	3:04:04	62,492,621,263	5,658,861	+2.75	Be3 c5
    42/66-	3:04:29	62,635,704,964	5,658,920	+2.68	Be3 c5
    42/66+	3:06:38	63,383,545,626	5,660,504	+2.75	Be3
    42/66-	3:13:10	65,637,908,559	5,663,223	+2.66	Be3 c5
    42/66+	3:15:30	66,440,405,677	5,664,304	+2.78	Be3
    42/66	4:43:31	96,921,824,665	5,697,581	+2.87	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Nac6 Rxb6 Bc8 Qc1 Nd4 Kh1 Rd7 Bf1 Bb7 Qb1 Bc6 Rxa6 Rb7 Nb5 Ndf3 Be2 Rd7 Nc3 Rb7 Qc1 Nd4 Bd1 Rc7 Qd2 Ndf3 Qa2 Rfc8 Bf4 Rd7 Be2 Nd3 Be3 Nde5 a4 Rb7 Bf4 Bf6 Qa3 Rb4 a5 Nd4 Bxe5 Bxe5 Bxg4
    43/66-	5:05:44	104,733,402,329	5,709,506	+2.80	Be3 c5
    43/66+	5:11:14	106,615,845,737	5,709,441	+2.87	Be3
    43/68-	5:51:55	120,742,408,395	5,718,287	+2.80	Be3 c5
    43/68-	5:55:20	121,937,848,269	5,719,444	+2.64	Be3 c5
    43/68+	5:56:29	122,338,106,646	5,719,690	+2.77	Be3
    43/70	6:21:12	130,952,040,926	5,725,406	+2.85	Be3 c5 Rad1 Bc6 Qb2 Bf6 Bh3 Re8 e5 Bxf3 exf6 Qc7 Bxg5 Nc6 Bf4 Qb7 Rd6 Nxf6 Re1 Nd4 Be5 Qg7 Bxd4 cxd4 Rxd4 Bg4 Bxg4 Nxg4 Qxb6 Ne5 Kg2 Kh8 Ree4 Ng6 Qc6 Rab8 Ne2 Rbc8 Qd7 Qxd7 Rxd7 Rc6 Nf4 Nxf4+ Rxf4 h6 Rf6 Rxc4 Rxh6+ Kg8 Rg6+ Kh8 Rd6 Ra4 h4 a5 Rdxe6 Rxe6 Rxe6 Rxa3 h5
    44/70+	7:07:59	147,501,074,205	5,744,077	+2.92	Be3
    44/70-	7:27:46	154,484,479,343	5,750,336	+2.85	Be3 c5
    44/70+	7:33:49	156,605,825,848	5,751,507	+2.92	Be3
    44/70-	7:42:22	159,641,710,450	5,754,502	+2.83	Be3 c5
    44/70+	9:16:04	192,741,156,953	5,776,966	+2.95	Be3
    44/70-	9:59:02	208,102,131,573	5,789,977	+2.78	Be3 c5
    44/70	10:54:09	227,512,185,734	5,796,748	+2.83	Be3 c5 Rad1 g4 Ne5 Nxe5 Rxd8 Raxd8 Rb1 Bc8 Na4 Nac6 Nxb6 Nd4 Qb2 Bf6 Nxc8 Rxc8 Kh1 h5 Bf1 Nd7 Kg2 Rb8 Qc1 Kf7 Bf4 e5 Be3 a5 Rxb8 Rxb8 h3 Be7 hxg4 hxg4 Qd2 Ra8 Be2 Nf6 Bxd4 Rd8 Qg5 Rxd4 Bxg4 Rxc4 Qf5 Rxe4 Bh5+ Kf8 Bg6 Re1
    45/70+	10:59:07	229,219,608,788	5,796,199	+2.90	Be3
   4/25/2017 5:51:00 AM, Time for this analysis: 11:00:01, Rated time: 11:00:00

0 of 1 matching moves
4/25/2017 5:51:03 AM, Total time: 11:00:07 AM
Rated time: 11:00:00 = 39600 Seconds
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pilgrimdan
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Re: do any programs announce mate in 35 on 18.Bh3...

Post by pilgrimdan »

Dann Corbit wrote:A 45 ply search by Asmfish gives a ce of 290 for Be3.
I do not think that there is any mate in 35.
yeah ... you are right...
after looking at it some more...
there is no mate in 35...
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Waschbaer
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Re: do any programs announce mate in 35 on 18.Bh3...

Post by Waschbaer »

pilgrimdan wrote:
Waschbaer wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2017.4.23"]
[Round ""]
[White "CM16"]
[Black "Botv16"]
[TimeControl ""]
[Result "1-0"]


18. ...gxf4!

19.Bxe6+ Kh8 20.Rad1 Bc8 21.Bxd7 fxg3 22.Bxc6 gxh2+ 23.Kh1 Bg4 24.Nxh2 Bxd1 25.Rxd1 Nxc6 26.Rxd8 Raxd8 27.Nd5 Bc5 28.f4 Nd4 29.Qd1 Rd6 30.Ng4 Rg6 31.a4 Rfg8 32.Ndf6 Rd8 33.Qd3 Ne6 34.Qf3 Rg7 35.e5 Nd4 36.Qe4 Ne6 37.a5 Rd1+ 38.Kh2 Rd2+ 39.Kh3 Rd8 40.Kh4 Be7 41.axb6 a5 42.Kh3 a4 43.Nh5 Rg6 44.b7 a3 45.Qb1 Rdg8 46.b8=Q Rxg4 47.Qxg8+ Rxg8 48.Qb7 a2 49.Qa7 Rf8 50.Kg4 Rg8+ 51.Kf5 Nc7 52.Qxa2 Rf8+ 53.Ke4 Ra8 54.Qb2 Ne6 55.f5 Nc5+ 56.Ke3 Bg5+ 57.Kf3 Nd3 58.Qc3 Kg8 59.e6 Ra7 60.Qd4 Rf7 61.f6 Bxf6 62.Nxf6+ Kg7 63.exf7 Kxf7 64.Nd5 Kg8 65.Qf6 Ne5+ 66.Qxe5 h6 67.Qe7 Kh8 68.Nf6 h5 69.Qh7# 1-0

For Houdini 5 using IDeA 28.f4 looks wrong

28. f4 Rg8

The eval Houdini calculated is about 0 for 29. Nf3

So what would you play after 28. ... Rg8 ?

(Any hint how to post IDeA output?)
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 b6 3.d4 e6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 d5 8.Qc2 Nc6 9.a3 dxc4 10.bxc4 Bb7 11.e3 a6 12.O-O Na7 13.Nc3 O-O 14.e4 Nd7 15.d5 c6 16.dxe6 fxe6 17.Bf4 g5 18.Bh3 gxf4 19.Bxe6+ Kh8 20.Rad1 Bc8 21.Bxd7 fxg3 22.Bxc6 gxh2+ 23.Kh1 Bg4 24.Nxh2 Bxd1 25.Rxd1 Nxc6 26.Rxd8 Raxd8 27.Nd5 Bc5 28.f4 Rg8
[d]3r2rk/7p/ppn5/2bN4/2P1PP2/P7/2Q4N/7K w - - 0 29

29.Nf3 Rd6 30.Ng5 Rh6+ 31.Kg2 Nd4 32.Qb2 Rg7 33.a4 Rhg6 34.a5 h6 35.axb6 hxg5 36.f5 Rxb6 37.Nxb6 Rb7 38.Kg3 Rxb6 39.Qh2+ Kg8 40.Kg4 Bf8 41.e5 Bg7 42.e6 Nxe6 43.fxe6 Rxe6 44.c5 Re4+ 45.Kxg5 Re5+46.Kg6 Re6+ 47.Kf5 Rc6 48.Qg2 Rc7 49.c6 Re7 50.Qd5+ Kh7 51.Qd3 Ba1 52.Qd8 Re5+ 53.Kf4 Rh5 54.Qe7+ Kg6 55.Qe8+ Kh6 56.c7 Be5+ 57.Qxe5 Rh4+ 58.Kf5 Rh5+ 59.Kf6 Rxe5 60.c8=Q Kh7 61.Qc7+ Kh6 62.Qxe5 Kh7 63.Qc7+ Kg8 64.Qg7# 1-0
May I ask where you get the moves from?
Computer or by yourself?

In your post Houdini does find a lot of not so good black moves.
So 35. ... hxg5 is one of them.

If you like let's do some more analysis.

After 29.Nf3 Rd6 30.Ng5 Rh6+ 31.Kg2 Nd4 32.Qb2

what's about

32. ... Rh4 ?
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Re: do any programs announce mate in 35 on 18.Bh3...

Post by pilgrimdan »

Waschbaer wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:
Waschbaer wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2017.4.23"]
[Round ""]
[White "CM16"]
[Black "Botv16"]
[TimeControl ""]
[Result "1-0"]


18. ...gxf4!

19.Bxe6+ Kh8 20.Rad1 Bc8 21.Bxd7 fxg3 22.Bxc6 gxh2+ 23.Kh1 Bg4 24.Nxh2 Bxd1 25.Rxd1 Nxc6 26.Rxd8 Raxd8 27.Nd5 Bc5 28.f4 Nd4 29.Qd1 Rd6 30.Ng4 Rg6 31.a4 Rfg8 32.Ndf6 Rd8 33.Qd3 Ne6 34.Qf3 Rg7 35.e5 Nd4 36.Qe4 Ne6 37.a5 Rd1+ 38.Kh2 Rd2+ 39.Kh3 Rd8 40.Kh4 Be7 41.axb6 a5 42.Kh3 a4 43.Nh5 Rg6 44.b7 a3 45.Qb1 Rdg8 46.b8=Q Rxg4 47.Qxg8+ Rxg8 48.Qb7 a2 49.Qa7 Rf8 50.Kg4 Rg8+ 51.Kf5 Nc7 52.Qxa2 Rf8+ 53.Ke4 Ra8 54.Qb2 Ne6 55.f5 Nc5+ 56.Ke3 Bg5+ 57.Kf3 Nd3 58.Qc3 Kg8 59.e6 Ra7 60.Qd4 Rf7 61.f6 Bxf6 62.Nxf6+ Kg7 63.exf7 Kxf7 64.Nd5 Kg8 65.Qf6 Ne5+ 66.Qxe5 h6 67.Qe7 Kh8 68.Nf6 h5 69.Qh7# 1-0

For Houdini 5 using IDeA 28.f4 looks wrong

28. f4 Rg8

The eval Houdini calculated is about 0 for 29. Nf3

So what would you play after 28. ... Rg8 ?

(Any hint how to post IDeA output?)
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 b6 3.d4 e6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 d5 8.Qc2 Nc6 9.a3 dxc4 10.bxc4 Bb7 11.e3 a6 12.O-O Na7 13.Nc3 O-O 14.e4 Nd7 15.d5 c6 16.dxe6 fxe6 17.Bf4 g5 18.Bh3 gxf4 19.Bxe6+ Kh8 20.Rad1 Bc8 21.Bxd7 fxg3 22.Bxc6 gxh2+ 23.Kh1 Bg4 24.Nxh2 Bxd1 25.Rxd1 Nxc6 26.Rxd8 Raxd8 27.Nd5 Bc5 28.f4 Rg8
[d]3r2rk/7p/ppn5/2bN4/2P1PP2/P7/2Q4N/7K w - - 0 29

29.Nf3 Rd6 30.Ng5 Rh6+ 31.Kg2 Nd4 32.Qb2 Rg7 33.a4 Rhg6 34.a5 h6 35.axb6 hxg5 36.f5 Rxb6 37.Nxb6 Rb7 38.Kg3 Rxb6 39.Qh2+ Kg8 40.Kg4 Bf8 41.e5 Bg7 42.e6 Nxe6 43.fxe6 Rxe6 44.c5 Re4+ 45.Kxg5 Re5+46.Kg6 Re6+ 47.Kf5 Rc6 48.Qg2 Rc7 49.c6 Re7 50.Qd5+ Kh7 51.Qd3 Ba1 52.Qd8 Re5+ 53.Kf4 Rh5 54.Qe7+ Kg6 55.Qe8+ Kh6 56.c7 Be5+ 57.Qxe5 Rh4+ 58.Kf5 Rh5+ 59.Kf6 Rxe5 60.c8=Q Kh7 61.Qc7+ Kh6 62.Qxe5 Kh7 63.Qc7+ Kg8 64.Qg7# 1-0
May I ask where you get the moves from?
Computer or by yourself?

In your post Houdini does find a lot of not so good black moves.
So 35. ... hxg5 is one of them.

If you like let's do some more analysis.

After 29.Nf3 Rd6 30.Ng5 Rh6+ 31.Kg2 Nd4 32.Qb2

what's about

32. ... Rh4 ?
I get the moves from Chessmaster 9000...
Houdini does a good job...
looks like it does end up in a draw...
thanks for posting the not so good black moves...
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