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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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[d]2kr4/p7/p1p1bppB/2b5/2P5/3r4/1PQ3PP/5R1K w - - 0 9

[d]8/pbk3b1/2p1p3/1p2P1p1/2p3P1/2N5/PP4Pp/3R3K w - - 0 29

[d]2R5/pp3pkp/3b2p1/2p2p2/8/3PNb2/PPP4P/4K3 w - - 0 28

[d]8/pp3pk1/2p1b1p1/2b1p2p/2P1P3/4NP2/P4P2/3R2K1 w - - 0 30

[d]6k1/pp2bppp/2bp4/4p3/8/4PN1P/PP3KP1/1R6 b - - 0 27

[d]5k2/ppb3p1/4b1pp/2ppP3/8/2P3N1/PP3KP1/3R4 w - - 0 29

[d]2b5/2b1k1p1/2p2p1p/p1p4P/2p1P3/P3N1P1/1P1R4/1K6 w - - 0 40

[d]4b3/p3kppp/3p4/1pbP4/2p1K3/2R1N3/PP4PP/8 b - - 0 29

[d]4b3/p3kppp/3p4/1pbP4/2p1K3/2R1N3/PP4PP/8 b - - 0 29
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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[d]1r1q1rk1/p3n2p/2p1p1p1/2Pp4/8/3B4/PPQB1PPP/4R1K1 b - - 0 2

[d]r4rk1/pp3p1p/2n2p2/2bb4/3p4/6P1/PP2PP1P/R2Q1RK1 w - - 0 4

[d]r4rk1/pp3p1p/2n2p2/2bn4/3p4/6P1/PP2PP1P/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 4

Kurzdorfer vs Dmitri Gurevich, Washington, D.C., 1990).

[d]4k3/R2br3/3p1b1p/np1P4/1Rn2B1P/P7/5PB1/6K1 b - - 0 1

[d]5bk1/5bp1/7p/1N6/p6r/P4N1P/6P1/3R2K1 b - - 0 39
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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With black starting first, position is in balance.

[d]3qk3/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPP2PPP/2B1KB1R b K - 0 1

[d]8/p4kpR/1n3p2/2n1p3/4P3/P3KP2/1P4PP/8 b - - 0 0

[d]6k1/1p3p1p/p1n2n2/2P1p3/7p/P3P3/1P1K2PP/2R5 w - - 0 3

[d]6k1/1p3p1p/p1n5/2P1p1B1/4n3/P3P3/1P1K2PP/2R5 w - - 0 4

[d]r1r5/p2k3p/1p2ppp1/8/8/P2P2P1/3N1K1P/N4R2 w - - 0 4
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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This position is lost for white. The rook get trapt within its own pawns and the knights is able to incarcerate the rook for the foreseeable future.

[d]8/p4kpR/1n3p2/2n1p3/4P3/P3KP2/1P4PP/8 b - - 0 0
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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BBR vs QPPP

[d]r5k1/2p3pp/p7/1p1pq3/8/5PpB/PP4P1/R1B2R1K w - - 0 23

Opening - >

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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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[d]r2qrn1k/5pp1/2p4p/1p1pP3/1P6/2B1P3/1Q3PPP/1B2R1K1 b - - 0 1

White has sufficient compensation.

[d]rnb1r1k1/1pp5/p5pp/5p2/7P/BP4PN/P1P1PPB1/R5K1 b - - 0 4

Black is better | -1.00

[d]2R1n1k1/pp2rp2/n1p3p1/7p/2P1p3/1Pb1P1PP/P4PB1/3R2K1 w - - 0 21

White is slightly better.

[d]5k2/pp3nbp/6p1/2p2pP1/b4P2/4P2P/1P1N4/2B1K2R w K - 0 23

White has problems with his king position and this provides Black with
ample compensation.


[d]2q1rnk1/p4pp1/bp3n1p/2bp4/3N1B2/1PN3P1/P3PP1P/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 2

[d]3Br1k1/Nb3pb1/7p/2q5/PnP5/3p1NPB/4PP1P/2QR2K1 w - - 0 4

[d]3Br1k1/Nb3pb1/7p/2q5/PnP1P3/3p1NPB/5P1P/2QR2K1 b - - 0 4
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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Nordlandia wrote: White has problems with his king position and this provides Black with
ample compensation.

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[d]3Br1k1/Nb3pb1/7p/2q5/PnP5/3p1NPB/4PP1P/2QR2K1 w - - 0 4

[d]3Br1k1/Nb3pb1/7p/2q5/PnP1P3/3p1NPB/5P1P/2QR2K1 b - - 0 4
White's 4.e4 was blunder, wasn't it, Jon?

Here we have output after some FW-BW and 4.Rd2 instead:

[d]3Br1k1/Nb3pb1/7p/2q5/PnP5/3p1NPB/3RPP1P/2Q3K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by pedantFishW_2017-04-26_popcnt:

4...Qxa7 5.Ne1 Rxd8 6.Nxd3 Qd4 7.Bg2 Bc8 8.a5 Qc3 9.Qxc3 Bxc3 10.Rd1 Nxd3 11.Rxd3 Rxd3 12.exd3 Bxa5 13.Be4 Kf8 14.f4 Ke7 15.Kf2 f5 16.Bd5 Bb6+ 17.Kf3 Bd7 18.Ke2 Bd4 19.h3 Kf6 20.Bf3 Bc5 21.Bd5 Bb6 22.Bf3 Ke7 23.Kf1 Bc5 24.Kg2 Ba4 25.Kf1 Kf6 26.Ke2 Kg6 27.Bd5 Bd7 28.Kf1 Bd4 29.Bg2 Ba4 30.Ke2 Bb6 31.Bd5
=/+ (-0.59) Depth: 43/54 00:01:34 2547MN

And with full hash out of new FW-BW and 4.e4 (your last dia):

[d]3Br1k1/Nb3pb1/7p/2q5/PnP1P3/3p1NPB/5P1P/2QR2K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by pedantFishW_2017-04-26_popcnt:

4...Qxa7 5.Qa3 Qc5 6.Rb1 Rxd8 7.Qxb4 Qxb4 8.Rxb4 Bxe4 9.Bg2 Bf5 10.Rb5 Be6 11.h4 d2 12.Nxd2 Rxd2 13.Rb8+ Bf8 14.Bd5 Bxd5 15.cxd5 Rxd5 16.Rb1 Kg7 17.Rc1 Rd4 18.Ra1 Rd2 19.Rc1 Ra2 20.Rc4 Bd6 21.Rd4 Be5 22.Rb4 Kf6 23.g4 Bd6 24.Re4 Bc5 25.Rf4+ Ke6 26.Re4+ Kd6 27.Rf4 Ke7 28.g5 h5 29.Re4+ Kd6 30.Rf4 Ke6 31.Kf1 Ke7 32.Re4+ Kd6 33.Rf4 Ke6
-/+ (-1.55) Depth: 39/65 00:00:56 1508MN
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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Knight for two pawns + disabled castling rights.

~ -0.50

[d]rnbqkbnr/pppp2pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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[d]5r1k/2r5/1p5p/p1p1qP2/P3N3/1P1P1QN1/2P4P/7K w - - 0 44

[d]2r2r1k/1pp3n1/7p/p2q4/3NNP2/PP1P4/1BP3QP/7K b - - 0 34

[d]5r2/1p4k1/2r4p/p1pq1P2/4N3/PP1P2NQ/2P4P/7K w - - 0 40

[d]7Q/1p3q2/1n2p1k1/1p1p1pp1/4n3/P6P/1PR3P1/4R1K1 b - - 0 46

[d]8/p1pnkp2/1p1ppn2/8/3P3q/2P5/PP4Q1/R4RK1 b - - 0 34

[d]2n3k1/p1q2n1p/3p1p1p/1Qp2P2/5K2/P1P5/6P1/3R3R b - - 0 31

[d]R7/4ppkp/6p1/3pP3/2pn4/3n1PP1/6KP/3R4 w - - 0 34
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Re: Fascinating imbalance

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[d]5rk1/pp1qp2p/6p1/3p2N1/5P2/BP4P1/P3R1NP/6K1 b - - 0 5

[d]5rk1/pp1qp2p/6p1/3p2N1/5P2/NP4P1/P3R1BP/6K1 b - - 0 5