Elaborating on Aronian-Carlsen

[whereagles]

Think I agree with the above. Homeprep makes a difference and Aronian won that battle, and its conversion. Kudos to him, even if there were, objecitvely, better moves. Human chess is also about knowing your customer.

[Nordlandia]

So the conclusion is, black can draw right?

[whereagles]

Yes. Since move 1

[pilgrimdan]

Yes. Since move 1

Aronian vs Carlsen

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 a6 6.b3 Bb4 7.Bd2 Nbd7 8.Bd3 O-O
9.O-O Qe7 10.Bc2 Rd8 11.a3 Bxa3 12.Rxa3 Qxa3 13.c5 b6 14.b4 Ne4 15.Nxe4 dxe4 16.Bxe4 Rb8 17.Bxh7+ Kxh7 18.Ng5+ Kg8 19.Qh5 Nf6 20.Qxf7+ Kh8 21.Qc7 Bd7 22.Nf7+ Kh7 23.Nxd8 Rc8 24.Qxb6 Nd5 25.Qa7 Rxd8 26.e4 Qd3 27.exd5 Qxd2 28.Qc7 Qg5 29.dxc6 Bc8 30.h3 Qd5 31.Rd1

[d] 2br4/2Q3pk/p1P1p3/2Pq4/1P1P4/7P/5PP1/3R2K1 b - - 0 31
31. …Rf8 (instead of …e5)
32.Qd6 Qb3 33.Qxf8 Qxd1+ 34.Kh2 Qxd4 35.h4 Qxh4+ 36.Kg1 Qg4 37.Qxc8 Qd1+ 38.Kh2 Qh5+ 39.Kg3 Qg5+ 40.Kf3 Qd5+ 41.Ke3 Qe5+ 42.Kd3 Qf5+ 43.Kc3 Qe5+ 44.Kb3 Qd5+ 45.Kc2 Qc4+ 46.Kd2 Qd4+ 47.Ke2 Qe4+ 48.Kd1 Qd3+ 49.Ke1 Qe4+ 50.Kd2 Qd4+ 51.Kc1 Qc3+ 52.Kd1 Qd4+ 53.Ke2 Qe5+ 54.Kf3 Qf5+ 55.Ke2 Qe4+ 56.Kd1 Qd3+ 57.Ke1 Qe4+ 58.Kd2 Qf4+ 59.Kc3 Qe5+ 60.Kc2 Qe2+ 61.Kb1 Qe1+ 62.Ka2 Qd2+ 63.Ka3 Qd3+ 64.Ka4 Qb5+ 65.Kb3 Qd3+ 66.Kb2 Qe2+ 67.Kc3 Qe5+ 1/2-1/2

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

So the conclusion is, black can draw right?

too many lines to consider, you can never consider them all.

with simple positions, it is easy, but with similar complex positions, a single deeper line can refute everything.

from the starting position, you might have 1 billion drawing lines, but a single winning line might refute it all.

my conclusion is it is draw with perfect play, as I am seeing almost exclusively drawn outcomes, but you never know.

similarly about c5 and the rest of moves.

we, humans, are simply too weak, and our current top chess engines are also too weak, to claim anything with absolute certainty in more complex positions.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Think I agree with the above. Homeprep makes a difference and Aronian won that battle, and its conversion. Kudos to him, even if there were, objecitvely, better moves. Human chess is also about knowing your customer.

Carlsen is in the habit to always fall into some traps, whenever a WCC comes closer...

maybe this is part of his WCC tactics.

btw., when is the next WCC scheduled for?