Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

Nordlandia wrote:Latest asmfish wasn't able to beat Komodo 11.01 ->

[pgn][Event "EXPERT-PC, Rapid 30m+30s"]
[Site "EXPERT-PC"]
[Date "2017.06.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "asmFishW_2017-06-28_bmi2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "-1.57;-1.54"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "69"]
[TimeControl "1800+30"]

1... Qc1+ {-1.54/42 97 Both last book move} 2. Kh2 {-1.57/41 219} Kg7 {-1.71/
43 42 (Qd1)} 3. h4 {-1.46/38 89 (Kg3)} a6 {-1.78/44 97 (Qd1)} 4. Kh3 {-1.59/39
82} b5 {-1.86/45 38} 5. Kg3 {-1.62/38 39} Kf6 {-1.86/49 44 (Qh1)} 6. Kg4 {
-1.39/41 88 (Kf2)} Qd1 {-1.89/43 92 (Qh1)} 7. h5 {-1.36/40 27} gxh5+ {-1.89/55
155} 8. Kxh5 {-1.36/40 28} a5 {-1.89/57 22 (Qh1+)} 9. Kg4 {-1.39/43 38 (Kh4)}
b4 {-1.89/56 237} 10. axb4 {-1.41/44 48} axb4 {-1.89/56 13} 11. Kg3 {-1.41/41
36} Qg1 {-1.89/56 121} 12. Kh3 {-1.42/43 51 (Nc2)} Qh1+ {-1.89/57 60 (Kg5)} 13.
Kg3 {-1.43/44 68} Qg1 {-1.89/59 12 (Qc1)} 14. Kh3 {-1.45/41 44 (Nc2)} Kg5 {
-1.89/55 97} 15. Re5+ {-1.46/39 28 (g3)} Kg6 {-1.89/50 42} 16. Re2 {-1.46/42 65
} Qh1+ {-1.89/53 24 (f5)} 17. Kg3 {-1.45/41 35} Qc1 {-1.89/50 49} 18. Rc2 {
-1.47/42 34} Qe3 {-1.89/59 81 (Qg1)} 19. Kh2 {-1.32/42 31} Qe1 {-1.89/61 14
(f5)} 20. g3 {-1.32/43 29 (Re2)} Qf1 {-1.89/60 55 (f5)} 21. Rg2 {-1.33/47 46}
Qd1 {-1.89/57 47 (Kg5)} 22. Rc2 {-1.33/44 72 (Re2)} Qf1 {-1.89/61 63 (Kg5)} 23.
Rg2 {-1.34/51 103} Kg7 {-1.89/63 58 (Kg5)} 24. Re2 {-1.34/47 38 (Rc2)} Kf8 {
-1.89/63 62 (Qc1)} 25. Rg2 {-1.34/50 64} Kg7 {-1.89/67 53 (Qd3)} 26. Rc2 {
-1.34/52 115} Kh6 {-1.89/67 52 (Qd3)} 27. Re2 {-1.34/51 79 (Rg2)} Kg5 {-1.89/
66 53} 28. Rc2 {-1.36/48 87 (Rd2)} Kh6 {-1.89/66 134 (Qd3)} 29. Rg2 {-1.34/44
30} Kg6 {-1.89/66 53 (Qa1)} 30. Re2 {-1.34/48 83} Qb1 {-1.89/65 60 (Qc1)} 31.
Kg2 {-1.34/47 47} Qd1 {-1.89/51 58 (Qa1)} 32. Rf2 {-1.34/47 81} Kh5 {-1.89/53
9 (Qa1)} 33. Re2 {-1.35/47 76} Kg5 {-1.89/51 49 (Qa1)} 34. Rc2 {-1.35/43 56
(Kf2)} Kh6 {-1.89/62 49 (Qd3)} 35. Kh3 {-1.36/46 99 (Kf2)} Kg7 {-1.89/52 57
(Qa1) adjud. Draw accepted} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]
black should have played early f7-f5, possibly bring the king to a4.

when you do not have sufficient evaluation, it is easy to miss that one.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

leavenfish wrote:Anyone who claims this is anything but a draw...just plays with engines and doesn't know how to play chess.
still, this is a black win.
tpoppins
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Location: upstate

Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by tpoppins »

Nordlandia wrote:It would be interesting to see how this engame plays out on very strong hardware.

Is someone willing to play couple of games with colors reversed.
Two games, two Black wins.

common:
TC: 4h+30s
Game limit: 120 plies
16 cores/threads
HT off
hash: 8GB
TB: 5-men
Probe depth: 1

Komodo:
Table Memory: 512 MB
Contempt: 0

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 240m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.06.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "-1.55;-1.68"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "99"]
[TimeControl "14400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=43.5 plies; 25,068kN/s;
447,243,853 TBAs B=51.6 plies; 41,422kN/s; 583,311,262 TBAs} 1... Qc1+ {
-1.68/54 403 Both last book move} 2. Kh2 {-1.55/40 430} Kg7 {-1.62/55 629} 3.
h4 {-1.57/43 426 (Kg3)} a6 {-1.81/54 430 (Qf1)} 4. g4 {-1.52/43 353 (g3)} b5 {
-1.99/49 356} 5. Kg3 {-1.68/42 200} Qg1+ {-2.00/52 156} 6. Rg2 {-1.69/45 241}
Qe1+ {-1.92/57 293} 7. Kh3 {-1.69/43 437 (Rf2)} Kf8 {-2.29/44 147 (Qe5)} 8. g5
{-1.84/43 688} Qc1 {-2.30/48 206} 9. Kg3 {-1.96/41 421 (Re2)} Ke7 {-2.30/53 205
} 10. Rf2 {-1.99/45 429} Qg1+ {-2.30/48 54} 11. Rg2 {-1.99/44 134} Qe1+ {
-2.30/53 200} 12. Kg4 {-2.00/46 475 (Rf2)} Kd6 {-2.37/57 328 (Qh1)} 13. Re2 {
-2.00/45 285} Qf1 {-2.37/59 308 (Qg1+)} 14. Kg3 {-2.00/46 339} Qa1 {-2.37/58
247 (Qg1+)} 15. Kg2 {-1.96/48 489 (Kf4)} Qc1 {-2.37/63 222} 16. Rf2 {-1.95/46
416} Qf4 {-2.37/57 110} 17. Kh3 {-1.95/47 111} Kc5 {-2.37/63 216} 18. Rg2 {
-1.95/48 338} Qc1 {-2.37/62 101} 19. Re2 {-1.95/45 176} Kd6 {-2.37/57 287
(Qf1+)} 20. Kg2 {-1.95/46 262 (Kg3)} Qf4 {-2.44/55 252 (Kc7)} 21. Kh3 {-1.95/
44 201} Qc1 {-2.44/56 80 (Kd7)} 22. Kg2 {-1.95/47 406 (Kg3)} Kd7 {-2.44/57 229
(Kc7)} 23. Rc2 {-1.95/45 206 (Kg3)} Qf4 {-2.44/58 233 (Qd1)} 24. Kh3 {-1.96/48
98} Kc7 {-2.37/52 60} 25. Rg2 {-1.96/45 108 (Rf2)} Qc1 {-2.37/57 358 (Kb6)} 26.
Re2 {-1.96/43 136 (Rf2)} Kb6 {-2.37/61 316 (Qh1+)} 27. Kg4 {-1.96/47 198 (Rf2)}
a5 {-2.37/57 319} 28. Kg3 {-1.88/46 434 (Rg2)} Kc5 {-2.37/61 243} 29. Rc2 {
-2.10/50 829 (Rg2)} Qe1+ {-2.99/56 450} 30. Kg4 {-2.12/47 435} b4 {-2.99/63
271 (Qe3)} 31. axb4+ {-2.19/48 107} axb4 {-3.14/60 129} 32. Re2 {-2.19/45 105
(Kh3)} Qg1+ {-3.14/63 307 (Qa1)} 33. Kh3 {-2.19/48 101} Kd6 {-3.14/63 129 (Qc1)
} 34. Rh2 {-2.33/49 886 (Nb5+)} Ke7 {-3.21/58 177} 35. Rc2 {-2.45/44 106 (Re2+)
} f6 {-3.83/56 2105 (Kf8)} 36. gxf6+ {-3.32/41 645 (Rg2)} Kxf6 {-4.81/42 228}
37. Rd2 {-3.41/43 834} Qh1+ {-6.13/44 380 (Qf1+)} 38. Kg4 {-3.45/40 97 (Rh2)}
Qc1 {-6.33/42 101 (Qf1)} 39. Rc2 {-3.73/43 490} Qg1+ {-6.41/44 86} 40. Kh3 {
-3.83/40 94} Kg7 {-6.49/47 112} 41. h5 {-3.89/39 103} Qh1+ {-7.20/44 301} 42.
Rh2 {-3.94/40 86} Qe1 {-7.31/39 126} 43. h6+ {-4.59/38 201 (Re2)} Kxh6 {
-8.04/45 267} 44. Kg4+ {-4.74/43 168 (Re2)} Kg7 {-9.31/37 138} 45. Rc2 {
-5.46/39 178 (Re2)} Qg1+ {-9.89/35 135} 46. Kh3 {-5.78/37 61 (Kh4)} g5 {
-12.79/35 91} 47. Re2 {-6.41/35 128 (Ne6+)} Kg6 {-16.39/34 344 (Kh6)} 48. Rc2 {
-10.45/37 286 (Rg2)} Kh5 {-41.33/35 85} 49. Rg2 {-15.29/36 99 (Re2)} Qe3 {
-124.86/35 101 (Qc1)} 50. Rc2 {-38.23/38 331} g4+ {-128.27/48 80} 0-1

[Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 240m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.06.30"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Black "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "-1.69;-1.48"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "111"]
[TimeControl "14400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=53.6 plies; 39,108kN/s;
201,584,832 TBAs B=43.9 plies; 23,611kN/s; 123,562,513 TBAs} 1... Qc1+ {
-1.68/54 403 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.69/48 820} a6 {-1.48/45 173 (Qh6)}
3. Rc2 {-1.68/60 639} Qb1 {-1.52/43 134 (Qh1)} 4. Re2 {-1.68/61 252 (Kg3)} Kg7
{-1.54/48 175 (Qd1)} 5. Rc2 {-1.76/60 266 (Ke3)} b5 {-1.54/47 138 (Qd1)} 6. Re2
{-1.76/61 310 (Rd2)} Qc1 {-1.52/49 288 (Qd1)} 7. Kg3 {-1.76/61 192 (Rc2)} Qf1 {
-1.46/48 294 (Qd1)} 8. Re8 {-1.68/56 135} Qd1 {-1.46/50 307 (Kh6)} 9. Kf2 {
-1.67/62 194} Qb1 {-1.46/49 205 (Qd2+)} 10. Re2 {-1.75/60 2063} Qc1 {-1.46/48
181 (Kf6)} 11. Rc2 {-2.00/60 1616 (Kg3)} Qh1 {-1.46/50 326 (Qa1)} 12. Rd2 {
-2.00/57 149 (Re2)} Qc1 {-1.46/49 182 (Kh6)} 13. Re2 {-2.00/62 172} Kh6 {
-1.46/48 215 (Kf6)} 14. Kg3 {-2.00/54 202 (Rc2)} Kg7 {-1.46/49 491 (Qf1)} 15.
Kf2 {-2.00/55 375} Kh6 {-1.46/47 393} 16. Rc2 {-2.00/60 153} Qd1 {-1.46/48 140
(Qb1)} 17. Re2 {-2.00/58 211} Kh7 {-1.46/47 162 (Qb1)} 18. Ke3 {-1.93/50 572
(Nc2)} Qg1+ {-1.46/49 848 (Qc1+)} 19. Kd2 {-1.98/59 309} Qb1 {-1.46/49 317} 20.
Ke3 {-1.98/60 70} Qc1+ {-1.46/49 235} 21. Kf2 {-1.98/59 321} Qa1 {-1.45/48 182
(Qd1)} 22. Kg3 {-1.98/59 257 (Rc2)} Qg1 {-1.56/42 219 (Kg7)} 23. Re8 {-1.98/58
166 (Re7)} Kg7 {-1.38/44 580 (Qa1)} 24. Re7 {-1.98/60 163 (Re2)} Kf8 {-1.68/47
1074 (Qb1)} 25. Re2 {-1.98/60 372} f6 {-1.81/42 143 (Kg7)} 26. Re6 {-1.75/47
164 (Kf4)} Qb1 {-1.74/40 110 (Kf7)} 27. Re2 {-1.74/47 200} Qf1 {-1.77/41 158}
28. Re6 {-1.74/51 157} Kf7 {-1.79/45 336} 29. Re3 {-1.74/53 69 (Re2)} Qd1 {
-1.82/43 697 (g5)} 30. Re6 {-2.04/56 302} Qd3 {-1.95/43 291 (Qf1)} 31. h4 {
-2.04/51 620 (Re2)} Qb1 {-1.95/42 317} 32. Re2 {-2.04/53 152} Qd1 {-1.95/43
124 (Kg7)} 33. Kf2 {-1.97/53 128 (Re6)} Qh1 {-1.95/41 97} 34. Kg3 {-1.97/50 26}
Kg7 {-1.76/38 151} 35. Re6 {-1.97/49 152 (Re8)} Qc1 {-1.65/42 348 (Qa1)} 36.
Re7+ {-1.97/50 155} Kh6 {-1.63/42 165 (Kg8)} 37. Re2 {-1.96/52 134} Qf1 {
-1.61/40 192 (Qa1)} 38. Re6 {-1.93/50 148 (Re3)} Qc1 {-1.61/44 421 (Qb1)} 39.
Re2 {-1.93/52 312} Qh1 {-1.59/40 144 (Qf1)} 40. Re8 {-1.92/54 186 (Re7)} Qa1 {
-1.59/43 122 (Kh7)} 41. Re2 {-1.92/55 120} Qh1 {-1.58/43 178 (Qb1)} 42. Re7 {
-2.18/55 1008} Qd1 {-1.95/42 447 (Qb1)} 43. Re6 {-2.25/51 149} Qd2 {-1.95/45
205 (Qb1)} 44. Re2 {-2.25/52 118} Qc1 {-1.96/42 102} 45. Kg4 {-2.32/48 132
(Kh2)} Qh1 {-2.10/39 110} 46. Kg3 {-2.47/54 406} Kh5 {-2.38/45 536} 47. Kf2 {
-2.54/54 87} f5 {-2.42/42 77 (Qxh4+)} 48. Re8 {-2.47/46 41} Qxh4+ {-2.46/44 84}
49. Kf1 {-2.47/49 13} Kg5 {-2.47/43 99 (Qh1+)} 50. Rf8 {-2.54/52 78 (Re6)} Qh6
{-2.47/45 123} 51. Kf2 {-2.76/49 346} Kh4 {-3.37/46 542 (Kh5)} 52. Re8 {
-2.76/53 59} Qc1 {-3.77/41 66} 53. Re2 {-2.76/56 46 (g3+)} f4 {-6.45/33 77
(Kg5)} 54. Nc6 {-7.21/40 149} a5 {-7.01/34 57} 55. Ne7 {-7.64/38 100 (Nd4)} d4
{-9.87/35 194} 56. cxd4 {-7.80/30 12} c3 {-13.75/35 149 (Kg5)} 0-1

[/pgn]

Looks like Lyudmil was right (as usual, lol).
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Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by Nordlandia »

tpoppins wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:It would be interesting to see how this engame plays out on very strong hardware.

Is someone willing to play couple of games with colors reversed.
Two games, two Black wins.

common:
TC: 4h+30s
Game limit: 120 plies
16 cores/threads
HT off
hash: 8GB
TB: 5-men
Probe depth: 1

Komodo:
Table Memory: 512 MB
Contempt: 0

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 240m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.06.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "-1.55;-1.68"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "99"]
[TimeControl "14400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=43.5 plies; 25,068kN/s;
447,243,853 TBAs B=51.6 plies; 41,422kN/s; 583,311,262 TBAs} 1... Qc1+ {
-1.68/54 403 Both last book move} 2. Kh2 {-1.55/40 430} Kg7 {-1.62/55 629} 3.
h4 {-1.57/43 426 (Kg3)} a6 {-1.81/54 430 (Qf1)} 4. g4 {-1.52/43 353 (g3)} b5 {
-1.99/49 356} 5. Kg3 {-1.68/42 200} Qg1+ {-2.00/52 156} 6. Rg2 {-1.69/45 241}
Qe1+ {-1.92/57 293} 7. Kh3 {-1.69/43 437 (Rf2)} Kf8 {-2.29/44 147 (Qe5)} 8. g5
{-1.84/43 688} Qc1 {-2.30/48 206} 9. Kg3 {-1.96/41 421 (Re2)} Ke7 {-2.30/53 205
} 10. Rf2 {-1.99/45 429} Qg1+ {-2.30/48 54} 11. Rg2 {-1.99/44 134} Qe1+ {
-2.30/53 200} 12. Kg4 {-2.00/46 475 (Rf2)} Kd6 {-2.37/57 328 (Qh1)} 13. Re2 {
-2.00/45 285} Qf1 {-2.37/59 308 (Qg1+)} 14. Kg3 {-2.00/46 339} Qa1 {-2.37/58
247 (Qg1+)} 15. Kg2 {-1.96/48 489 (Kf4)} Qc1 {-2.37/63 222} 16. Rf2 {-1.95/46
416} Qf4 {-2.37/57 110} 17. Kh3 {-1.95/47 111} Kc5 {-2.37/63 216} 18. Rg2 {
-1.95/48 338} Qc1 {-2.37/62 101} 19. Re2 {-1.95/45 176} Kd6 {-2.37/57 287
(Qf1+)} 20. Kg2 {-1.95/46 262 (Kg3)} Qf4 {-2.44/55 252 (Kc7)} 21. Kh3 {-1.95/
44 201} Qc1 {-2.44/56 80 (Kd7)} 22. Kg2 {-1.95/47 406 (Kg3)} Kd7 {-2.44/57 229
(Kc7)} 23. Rc2 {-1.95/45 206 (Kg3)} Qf4 {-2.44/58 233 (Qd1)} 24. Kh3 {-1.96/48
98} Kc7 {-2.37/52 60} 25. Rg2 {-1.96/45 108 (Rf2)} Qc1 {-2.37/57 358 (Kb6)} 26.
Re2 {-1.96/43 136 (Rf2)} Kb6 {-2.37/61 316 (Qh1+)} 27. Kg4 {-1.96/47 198 (Rf2)}
a5 {-2.37/57 319} 28. Kg3 {-1.88/46 434 (Rg2)} Kc5 {-2.37/61 243} 29. Rc2 {
-2.10/50 829 (Rg2)} Qe1+ {-2.99/56 450} 30. Kg4 {-2.12/47 435} b4 {-2.99/63
271 (Qe3)} 31. axb4+ {-2.19/48 107} axb4 {-3.14/60 129} 32. Re2 {-2.19/45 105
(Kh3)} Qg1+ {-3.14/63 307 (Qa1)} 33. Kh3 {-2.19/48 101} Kd6 {-3.14/63 129 (Qc1)
} 34. Rh2 {-2.33/49 886 (Nb5+)} Ke7 {-3.21/58 177} 35. Rc2 {-2.45/44 106 (Re2+)
} f6 {-3.83/56 2105 (Kf8)} 36. gxf6+ {-3.32/41 645 (Rg2)} Kxf6 {-4.81/42 228}
37. Rd2 {-3.41/43 834} Qh1+ {-6.13/44 380 (Qf1+)} 38. Kg4 {-3.45/40 97 (Rh2)}
Qc1 {-6.33/42 101 (Qf1)} 39. Rc2 {-3.73/43 490} Qg1+ {-6.41/44 86} 40. Kh3 {
-3.83/40 94} Kg7 {-6.49/47 112} 41. h5 {-3.89/39 103} Qh1+ {-7.20/44 301} 42.
Rh2 {-3.94/40 86} Qe1 {-7.31/39 126} 43. h6+ {-4.59/38 201 (Re2)} Kxh6 {
-8.04/45 267} 44. Kg4+ {-4.74/43 168 (Re2)} Kg7 {-9.31/37 138} 45. Rc2 {
-5.46/39 178 (Re2)} Qg1+ {-9.89/35 135} 46. Kh3 {-5.78/37 61 (Kh4)} g5 {
-12.79/35 91} 47. Re2 {-6.41/35 128 (Ne6+)} Kg6 {-16.39/34 344 (Kh6)} 48. Rc2 {
-10.45/37 286 (Rg2)} Kh5 {-41.33/35 85} 49. Rg2 {-15.29/36 99 (Re2)} Qe3 {
-124.86/35 101 (Qc1)} 50. Rc2 {-38.23/38 331} g4+ {-128.27/48 80} 0-1

[Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 240m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.06.30"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Black "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "-1.69;-1.48"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "111"]
[TimeControl "14400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=53.6 plies; 39,108kN/s;
201,584,832 TBAs B=43.9 plies; 23,611kN/s; 123,562,513 TBAs} 1... Qc1+ {
-1.68/54 403 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.69/48 820} a6 {-1.48/45 173 (Qh6)}
3. Rc2 {-1.68/60 639} Qb1 {-1.52/43 134 (Qh1)} 4. Re2 {-1.68/61 252 (Kg3)} Kg7
{-1.54/48 175 (Qd1)} 5. Rc2 {-1.76/60 266 (Ke3)} b5 {-1.54/47 138 (Qd1)} 6. Re2
{-1.76/61 310 (Rd2)} Qc1 {-1.52/49 288 (Qd1)} 7. Kg3 {-1.76/61 192 (Rc2)} Qf1 {
-1.46/48 294 (Qd1)} 8. Re8 {-1.68/56 135} Qd1 {-1.46/50 307 (Kh6)} 9. Kf2 {
-1.67/62 194} Qb1 {-1.46/49 205 (Qd2+)} 10. Re2 {-1.75/60 2063} Qc1 {-1.46/48
181 (Kf6)} 11. Rc2 {-2.00/60 1616 (Kg3)} Qh1 {-1.46/50 326 (Qa1)} 12. Rd2 {
-2.00/57 149 (Re2)} Qc1 {-1.46/49 182 (Kh6)} 13. Re2 {-2.00/62 172} Kh6 {
-1.46/48 215 (Kf6)} 14. Kg3 {-2.00/54 202 (Rc2)} Kg7 {-1.46/49 491 (Qf1)} 15.
Kf2 {-2.00/55 375} Kh6 {-1.46/47 393} 16. Rc2 {-2.00/60 153} Qd1 {-1.46/48 140
(Qb1)} 17. Re2 {-2.00/58 211} Kh7 {-1.46/47 162 (Qb1)} 18. Ke3 {-1.93/50 572
(Nc2)} Qg1+ {-1.46/49 848 (Qc1+)} 19. Kd2 {-1.98/59 309} Qb1 {-1.46/49 317} 20.
Ke3 {-1.98/60 70} Qc1+ {-1.46/49 235} 21. Kf2 {-1.98/59 321} Qa1 {-1.45/48 182
(Qd1)} 22. Kg3 {-1.98/59 257 (Rc2)} Qg1 {-1.56/42 219 (Kg7)} 23. Re8 {-1.98/58
166 (Re7)} Kg7 {-1.38/44 580 (Qa1)} 24. Re7 {-1.98/60 163 (Re2)} Kf8 {-1.68/47
1074 (Qb1)} 25. Re2 {-1.98/60 372} f6 {-1.81/42 143 (Kg7)} 26. Re6 {-1.75/47
164 (Kf4)} Qb1 {-1.74/40 110 (Kf7)} 27. Re2 {-1.74/47 200} Qf1 {-1.77/41 158}
28. Re6 {-1.74/51 157} Kf7 {-1.79/45 336} 29. Re3 {-1.74/53 69 (Re2)} Qd1 {
-1.82/43 697 (g5)} 30. Re6 {-2.04/56 302} Qd3 {-1.95/43 291 (Qf1)} 31. h4 {
-2.04/51 620 (Re2)} Qb1 {-1.95/42 317} 32. Re2 {-2.04/53 152} Qd1 {-1.95/43
124 (Kg7)} 33. Kf2 {-1.97/53 128 (Re6)} Qh1 {-1.95/41 97} 34. Kg3 {-1.97/50 26}
Kg7 {-1.76/38 151} 35. Re6 {-1.97/49 152 (Re8)} Qc1 {-1.65/42 348 (Qa1)} 36.
Re7+ {-1.97/50 155} Kh6 {-1.63/42 165 (Kg8)} 37. Re2 {-1.96/52 134} Qf1 {
-1.61/40 192 (Qa1)} 38. Re6 {-1.93/50 148 (Re3)} Qc1 {-1.61/44 421 (Qb1)} 39.
Re2 {-1.93/52 312} Qh1 {-1.59/40 144 (Qf1)} 40. Re8 {-1.92/54 186 (Re7)} Qa1 {
-1.59/43 122 (Kh7)} 41. Re2 {-1.92/55 120} Qh1 {-1.58/43 178 (Qb1)} 42. Re7 {
-2.18/55 1008} Qd1 {-1.95/42 447 (Qb1)} 43. Re6 {-2.25/51 149} Qd2 {-1.95/45
205 (Qb1)} 44. Re2 {-2.25/52 118} Qc1 {-1.96/42 102} 45. Kg4 {-2.32/48 132
(Kh2)} Qh1 {-2.10/39 110} 46. Kg3 {-2.47/54 406} Kh5 {-2.38/45 536} 47. Kf2 {
-2.54/54 87} f5 {-2.42/42 77 (Qxh4+)} 48. Re8 {-2.47/46 41} Qxh4+ {-2.46/44 84}
49. Kf1 {-2.47/49 13} Kg5 {-2.47/43 99 (Qh1+)} 50. Rf8 {-2.54/52 78 (Re6)} Qh6
{-2.47/45 123} 51. Kf2 {-2.76/49 346} Kh4 {-3.37/46 542 (Kh5)} 52. Re8 {
-2.76/53 59} Qc1 {-3.77/41 66} 53. Re2 {-2.76/56 46 (g3+)} f4 {-6.45/33 77
(Kg5)} 54. Nc6 {-7.21/40 149} a5 {-7.01/34 57} 55. Ne7 {-7.64/38 100 (Nd4)} d4
{-9.87/35 194} 56. cxd4 {-7.80/30 12} c3 {-13.75/35 149 (Kg5)} 0-1

[/pgn]

Looks like Lyudmil was right (as usual, lol).

T. Poppins: i appreciate for taking your time. I see you only use 5-men EGTB, is 6-men EGTB something you can use in the same endgame?

Try same endgame with 6-men EGTB.

I believe 6-men EGTB offer move drawing chances.
tpoppins
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Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by tpoppins »

Nordlandia wrote:I believe 6-men EGTB offer more drawing chances.
The way I see it this would only be true if:
a) there's a problem with the corresponding 5-men TBs or
b) there's a problem with the engines probing them or
c) there's a problem with what the engines do with the data they get from the TBs

Nevertheless you may have a point there, even if it's not for the reasons you believe.

Two more games. Everything as before except for
- 6-men Syzygy
- move limit extended from 120 to 150 plies
- TC extended to 5h+30s to provide for the same 5min/move average as before

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 300m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "-1.50;-1.72"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "150"]
[TimeControl "18000+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=48.4 plies; 23,557kN/s;
950,202,708 TBAs B=64.1 plies; 39,473kN/s; 1,846,129,070 TBAs} 1... Qd1+ {
-1.72/56 521 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.50/42 312} Kg7 {-1.65/64 813} 3.
g4 {-1.49/45 177 (Re1)} Qh1 {-1.91/43 182 (a6)} 4. Kg3 {-1.98/45 971} g5 {
-2.35/45 166} 5. Rf2 {-1.90/49 264 (Rh2)} Kf8 {-2.43/54 725 (a6)} 6. Re2 {
-1.97/49 524 (Nf5)} Qg1+ {-2.43/62 374 (a5)} 7. Rg2 {-1.97/5 0} Qd1 {-2.43/62
231 (Qc1)} 8. Rf2 {-1.95/48 234} Qh1 {-2.43/56 47 (Qb1)} 9. Rh2 {-1.98/49 459}
Qg1+ {-2.43/63 318 (Qe1+)} 10. Rg2 {-1.98/5 0} Qe1+ {-2.43/54 85} 11. Rf2 {
-1.98/49 169} Ke8 {-2.43/60 261} 12. Kg2 {-1.98/49 190} Kd7 {-2.43/61 519} 13.
Nf5 {-1.98/48 398} Qc1 {-2.43/62 51} 14. Nd4 {-1.97/51 540 (Re2)} a5 {-2.43/65
364} 15. Rc2 {-1.98/52 467 (Re2)} Qe3 {-2.43/61 390 (Qb1)} 16. Re2 {-1.98/52
326 (Nf5)} Qc1 {-2.43/59 277 (Qf4)} 17. Nf5 {-1.99/50 475 (Kf2)} Kc7 {-2.43/58
335 (Kc6)} 18. Nd4 {-1.99/52 564} Qf4 {-2.43/67 343 (Kb6)} 19. Rc2 {-2.00/53
485 (Re7+)} Kd7 {-2.43/71 276 (Kb6)} 20. Ne2 {-2.00/54 434 (Rf2)} Qe5 {-2.43/
67 399} 21. Nd4 {-2.00/53 242} Kc7 {-2.43/63 297 (Kd6)} 22. Re2 {-1.63/40 148
(Nf5)} Qf4 {-2.43/72 445 (Qf6)} 23. Nf5 {-1.99/47 187 (Re7+)} Kd7 {-2.43/55
301 (Kc6)} 24. Nd4 {-1.99/52 641 (Rc2)} Kd6 {-2.43/73 342} 25. Rf2 {-1.99/53
284 (Rc2)} Kc5 {-2.43/66 491} 26. Re2 {-1.93/53 143} Qc1 {-2.43/68 125 (b5)}
27. Rf2 {-1.93/50 327 (Rc2)} Qf4 {-2.43/65 358 (b5)} 28. Re2 {-1.96/54 565} Qc1
{-2.43/71 1618 (b5)} 29. Rf2 {-1.96/48 279 (Rc2)} Qe3 {-2.43/69 637 (Kd6)} 30.
Nf5 {-1.96/52 642 (Re2)} Qe1 {-2.43/68 304} 31. Nd4 {-1.96/53 451} Qc1 {
-2.43/66 187} 32. Nf5 {-1.97/52 503 (Rc2)} Qb1 {-2.43/60 277 (b6)} 33. Nd4 {
-1.99/51 338 (Re2)} Kb6 {-2.43/69 1061 (b5)} 34. Rc2 {-1.99/50 353} Qe1 {
-2.43/67 540 (Qa1)} 35. Rf2 {-2.00/50 219} Qc1 {-2.43/67 413 (Kc5)} 36. Rc2 {
-2.03/52 675 (Kg3)} Qa1 {-2.43/67 165} 37. Rf2 {-2.03/48 121 (Kg3)} Kc5 {
-2.43/60 450} 38. Nf5 {-2.03/52 423 (Rc2)} Qe1 {-2.43/60 226 (b5)} 39. Rf1 {
-2.03/54 451 (Nd4)} Qe2+ {-2.43/69 175 (Qe5)} 40. Rf2 {-2.03/52 123} Qe5 {
-2.43/69 36} 41. Nd4 {-2.03/52 248} Qe1 {-2.43/61 331 (b5)} 42. Re2 {-2.02/52
333 (Nf5)} Qd1 {-2.43/61 257 (Qa1)} 43. Re8 {-2.02/50 314 (Re5)} Qd2+ {-2.43/
69 138 (Qc1)} 44. Re2 {-2.02/47 100} Qf4 {-2.43/70 160} 45. Re6 {-2.02/50 325
(Nf5)} Qd2+ {-2.43/60 277 (Qc7)} 46. Re2 {-1.30/42 94} Qf4 {-2.43/69 37 (Qd3)}
47. Re6 {-2.02/48 195 (Nf5)} Qc7 {-2.43/64 162} 48. Re8 {-2.03/45 112 (Re2)}
Kb6 {-2.43/67 115} 49. Nf5 {-2.03/46 102 (Re1)} Kc5 {-2.43/61 125 (Kb5)} 50.
Re7 {-2.03/47 218 (Nd4)} Qf4 {-2.43/59 155} 51. Nd4 {-2.03/49 542} b5 {-2.43/
60 22} 52. Re8 {-2.03/51 405 (Re2)} Qc1 {-2.43/59 121 (Kb6)} 53. Re2 {-1.82/50
204} Kb6 {-2.43/60 23 (b4)} 54. Rc2 {-1.88/49 172 (Rf2)} Qb1 {-2.43/67 126
(Qf4)} 55. Rf2 {-1.90/49 86 (Re2)} b4 {-2.43/64 106} 56. axb4 {-1.89/49 81}
axb4 {-2.43/67 26} 57. Rc2 {-1.90/53 199} Ka5 {-2.43/61 100 (Qa1)} 58. Rd2 {
-1.93/46 57 (Re2)} Ka4 {-2.43/63 126 (Qc1)} 59. Rc2 {-1.94/53 178 (Re2)} Ka5 {
-2.43/63 108 (Qe1)} 60. Re2 {-1.94/50 141} Qd3 {-2.43/63 33} 61. Rc2 {-1.94/50
59} Ka4 {-2.43/66 172 (Kb6)} 62. Kf2 {-1.95/49 105} Qd1 {-2.43/68 247} 63. Kg2
{-1.94/48 48} Qb1 {-2.43/70 23 (Qe1)} 64. Re2 {-1.94/51 141 (Kh2)} Qa2 {
-2.43/69 104 (Qa1)} 65. Rf2 {-1.81/51 205 (Rc2)} Qb1 {-2.43/70 106 (Qa1)} 66.
Kh2 {-1.82/48 61 (Re2)} Qd3 {-2.43/67 120 (Qc1)} 67. Rc2 {-1.82/50 50} Qg6 {
-2.43/68 35 (Qe3)} 68. Kg2 {-1.83/46 73 (Rc1)} Qd3 {-2.43/68 127 (Ka5)} 69. Kh2
{-1.83/51 115} Qf1 {-2.43/71 150 (Qe3)} 70. Re2 {-1.78/49 77 (Rg2)} Ka5 {
-2.43/64 72 (Qd1)} 71. Nc6+ {-1.78/50 83 (Rg2)} Ka4 {-2.43/69 70 (Kb6)} 72. Nd4
{-1.77/48 45} Qd1 {-2.43/70 22 (Qc1)} 73. Rc2 {-1.78/48 56} Qa1 {-2.43/71 91
(Ka5)} 74. Kg2 {-1.78/50 39} Ka5 {-2.43/66 103} 75. Kh2 {-1.78/53 105} Qe1 {
-2.43/68 155 (Kb6)} 76. Kg2 {-1.78/49 75 (Re2)} *

[Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 300m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.06"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Black "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "-1.60;-1.44"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "151"]
[TimeControl "18000+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=56.1 plies; 41,729kN/s;
-692,996,184 TBAs B=43.9 plies; 26,150kN/s; -1,467,663,346 TBAs} 1... Qd1+ {
-1.72/56 521 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.60/57 730} Kg7 {-1.44/47 321 (Qc1)
} 3. Nc2 {-1.60/62 503 (Re1)} Qb1 {-1.45/49 190} 4. Nd4 {-1.60/63 97} Qc1 {
-1.46/48 179} 5. Rc2 {-1.60/63 281} Qd1 {-1.45/52 255} 6. Re2 {-1.60/62 160} a6
{-1.46/50 222 (Qb1)} 7. Kg3 {-1.60/56 246 (Rc2)} Qg1 {-1.62/42 176 (Qc1)} 8.
Kf4 {-1.60/67 355 (h4)} Kf6 {-1.62/48 561} 9. Kg3 {-1.60/66 94} b5 {-1.62/47
227 (Qa1)} 10. Re8 {-2.00/47 502} Qf1 {-1.71/46 730 (a5)} 11. Re3 {-2.01/57 462
} Kg7 {-1.78/45 455 (Qc1)} 12. Re7 {-2.06/62 401 (Re8)} Qg1 {-1.78/43 201 (Kf6)
} 13. Re5 {-2.06/62 331 (Re8)} Qf1 {-1.80/44 295} 14. Re8 {-2.06/66 662 (Re3)}
f6 {-1.77/45 854 (Kf6)} 15. Re7+ {-1.92/48 161} Kf8 {-1.77/40 200} 16. Re3 {
-1.92/55 411 (Re6)} Kf7 {-1.88/42 247} 17. Re6 {-1.92/46 171 (h4)} Qd3 {
-1.85/42 271 (g5)} 18. h4 {-2.31/55 541} Qd2 {-1.88/42 870 (Qb1)} 19. Re2 {
-2.39/55 335} Qd1 {-1.92/39 184 (Qc1)} 20. Rc2 {-2.39/57 355 (Re6)} a5 {
-2.35/42 178 (Qh1)} 21. Kg4 {-2.45/56 707} f5+ {-2.35/43 165} 22. Kf4 {-2.70/
57 2077} Kf6 {-2.35/44 142} 23. g4 {-2.70/55 43} fxg4 {-2.36/45 174 (Qe1)} 24.
fxg4 {-2.45/56 228} Qe1 {-2.38/42 137 (Qf1+)} 25. g5+ {-2.45/59 374} Kg7 {
-2.28/42 319} 26. Kg4 {-2.45/62 102} b4 {-2.31/43 158} 27. axb4 {-2.45/66 456}
Qe4+ {-2.32/46 507 (axb4)} 28. Kg3 {-2.45/67 326} Qe3+ {-2.32/46 208 (Qe1+)}
29. Kg2 {-2.45/67 401 (Kg4)} axb4 {-2.33/48 626} 30. Kh2 {-2.45/58 43 (Re2)}
Kg8 {-2.35/46 200 (Kf8)} 31. Re2 {-2.45/66 321 (Kg2)} Qf4+ {-2.36/44 149 (Qc1)}
32. Kh3 {-2.45/68 242} Qc1 {-2.36/45 420 (Kf7)} 33. Rc2 {-2.45/61 230} Qf1+ {
-2.37/41 143} 34. Kh2 {-2.45/66 438 (Kg4)} Qd3 {-2.38/45 235 (Kg7)} 35. Kg2 {
-2.45/71 257} Qd1 {-2.38/47 325 (Qe4+)} 36. Re2 {-2.45/69 386 (Kg3)} Qc1 {
-2.38/47 812} 37. Rc2 {-2.45/70 71} Qe1 {-2.38/45 251 (Qf4)} 38. Kh3 {-2.45/65
239} bxc3 {-2.38/47 444 (Qh1+)} 39. bxc3 {-2.26/59 201} Kg7 {-2.38/48 394 (Kh8)
} 40. Ne2 {-2.26/69 258} Qf1+ {-2.38/49 572 (Qf2)} 41. Kg3 {-2.26/68 595} Qb1 {
-2.38/47 351 (Qe1+)} 42. Nd4 {-2.26/67 166} Qe1+ {-2.38/44 148} 43. Kh3 {
-2.19/60 31} Qf1+ {-2.38/41 112 (Qa1)} 44. Rg2 {-2.18/68 916 (Kg4)} Qh1+ {
-2.38/47 168} 45. Rh2 {-2.18/65 49} Qc1 {-2.38/46 133 (Qe1)} 46. Rc2 {-2.18/67
526} Qe3+ {-2.38/47 235 (Qe1)} 47. Kg2 {-2.11/70 1087 (Kh2)} Kg8 {-2.38/43 122
(Qe4+)} 48. Kh2 {-2.12/64 220} Qd3 {-2.38/46 131 (Qe4)} 49. Kg2 {-2.12/63 87}
Qe3 {-2.38/46 428 (Qe4+)} 50. Kh2 {-2.19/62 172} Qe1 {-2.38/42 133} 51. Kh3 {
-2.12/63 107} Kh7 {-2.38/45 239 (Kf7)} 52. Ne2 {-2.12/60 101} Qh1+ {-2.38/44
202 (Qf2)} 53. Kg3 {-2.12/58 631} Qd1 {-2.38/43 201 (Qe1+)} 54. Nd4 {-2.11/56
125} Qe1+ {-2.38/41 101 (Qg1+)} 55. Kh3 {-2.12/55 349} Kg7 {-2.38/46 410 (Qf1+)
} 56. Ne2 {-1.96/51 71} Kf8 {-2.38/43 140 (Qf2)} 57. Nd4 {-2.11/50 172} Kf7 {
-1.66/41 138 (Kg8)} 58. Ne2 {-2.11/49 90} Kf8 {-1.67/45 170 (Qb1)} 59. Nd4 {
-2.11/45 45} Kg8 {-1.67/45 116 (Qh1+)} 60. Ne2 {-2.12/47 30} Qf1+ {-1.67/45
212 (Qh1+)} 61. Kg3 {-2.11/42 30} Kf7 {-1.67/44 127 (Qa1)} 62. Nd4 {-1.96/40 17
} Qe1+ {-1.67/44 90} 63. Kh3 {-2.01/36 44} Kf8 {-1.67/45 128 (Kg7)} 64. Ne2 {
-1.82/38 22} Qf1+ {-1.67/42 84} 65. Kg3 {-2.18/37 38} Qe1+ {-1.67/44 149 (Qd1)}
66. Kh3 {-1.45/35 16} Ke8 {-1.67/41 84 (Qf1+)} 67. Nd4 {-1.54/35 43} Kd7 {
-1.55/40 130 (Kd8)} 68. Ne2 {-1.23/35 21} Ke8 {-1.55/42 323 (Qd1)} 69. Nd4 {
-1.19/38 24} Kd8 {-1.55/39 531 (Qe3+)} 70. Ne2 {-0.99/37 34} Qh1+ {-1.54/41
218 (Qf1+)} 71. Kg3 {-0.84/36 19} Qe4 {-1.42/36 77 (Ke7)} 72. Nd4 {-0.84/45 36}
Qe5+ {-1.45/38 92 (Qe1+)} 73. Kh3 {-0.91/51 47} Qe3+ {-1.39/39 103 (Qe1)} 74.
Kh2 {-0.59/40 11} Kc8 {-1.28/37 52 (Qd3)} 75. Kg2 {-0.79/44 39} Kd8 {-1.26/38
232} 76. Nc6+ {-0.64/54 27} Kc7 {-1.25/39 71 (Kd7)} *

[/pgn]


Both games ended without a decisive result despite the extended move limit. Draw? I did a playoff for the final position of the first one - same settings except TC=4h+30m and no move limit

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2 playoff, Slow 240m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.06"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "-1.80;-2.25"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/5p2/8/k2p2p1/1ppN2P1/2P2P1P/1PR3K1/4q3 b - - 0 76"]
[PlyCount "269"]
[TimeControl "14400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=47.7 plies; 25,068kN/s; 1,
769,766,698 TBAs B=58.8 plies; 42,402kN/s; -1,360,871,317 TBAs} 76... Kb6 {
-2.25/71 437} 77. Kh2 {-1.80/49 265} Kc5 {-2.25/63 212 (Qb1)} 78. Re2 {-1.80/
53 169 (Kg2)} Qc1 {-2.25/63 199 (Qf1)} 79. Rc2 {-1.80/50 142} Qf4+ {-2.25/63 71
} 80. Kg2 {-1.80/55 236} Qe3 {-2.25/64 210} 81. Nf5 {-1.80/52 136} Qe5 {
-2.25/65 243} 82. Nd4 {-1.80/55 297} Qf4 {-2.25/63 863 (Qe1)} 83. Re2 {-1.81/
51 180} Qd6 {-2.25/61 49 (Qc7)} 84. Re8 {-1.81/53 358 (Rd2)} Qc7 {-2.25/61 253
(Qa6)} 85. Re2 {-1.81/53 300} Qd6 {-2.25/68 230 (Qa5)} 86. Nc2 {-1.82/51 469
(Rd2)} Qf4 {-2.25/65 239 (Qf6)} 87. Nd4 {-1.77/54 391} Kb6 {-2.25/70 248 (Qb8)}
88. Rc2 {-1.78/50 254 (Rf2)} Ka6 {-2.25/73 258 (Ka5)} 89. Re2 {-1.78/53 255}
Kb6 {-2.25/64 256 (Ka5)} 90. Rf2 {-1.78/53 240 (Rc2)} Qe5 {-2.25/68 409 (Qc1)}
91. Re2 {-1.79/53 398 (Rd2)} Qd6 {-2.25/69 230 (Qb8)} 92. Rc2 {-1.79/54 291
(Rd2)} Qc5 {-2.25/67 244 (bxc3)} 93. Nf5 {-1.79/52 360 (Rc1)} Qc7 {-2.25/65 285
} 94. Nd4 {-1.79/55 392} Qf4 {-2.25/74 316 (bxc3)} 95. Re2 {-1.79/56 487} Qd6 {
-2.25/67 418 (bxc3)} 96. Re8 {-1.79/49 210 (Re3)} Kc5 {-2.25/67 214 (Qc7)} 97.
Rc8+ {0.00/53 135 (Re1)} Kb6 {-2.25/72 317} 98. Re8 {-1.80/49 229} Qf4 {
-2.25/65 61 (Qc7)} 99. Re2 {-1.80/55 393} Qc7 {-2.25/63 229 (Qc1)} 100. Nc2 {
-1.80/48 329 (Nf5)} Qd6 {-2.25/64 216} 101. Nd4 {-1.80/50 313} Ka6 {-2.25/56
46 (Kb7)} 102. Nf5 {-1.80/46 211 (Re8)} Qd7 {-2.25/59 234 (Qb6)} 103. Nd4 {
-1.65/50 437 (Rc2)} Qa4 {-2.25/61 248} 104. Rf2 {-1.68/51 353 (Rc2)} Kb7 {
-2.25/63 278 (Kb6)} 105. Rc2 {-1.69/51 454} Qa1 {-2.25/53 49 (bxc3)} 106. Kh2 {
-1.70/53 214} Qe1 {-2.25/56 226} 107. Kg2 {-1.70/54 262} Qe8 {-2.25/53 495
(Kc8)} 108. Re2 {-1.70/45 126 (Kf1)} Qd8 {-2.25/56 442 (Qb8)} 109. Re1 {
-1.71/45 145} Qa5 {-2.25/51 370 (Qb8)} 110. Rc1 {-1.71/52 165} Qa6 {-2.25/48
302 (bxc3)} 111. Kg1 {-1.66/52 223 (Rc2)} Ka7 {-2.25/41 286 (Kb6)} 112. Kg2 {
-1.66/51 208 (Kf2)} Kb7 {-2.25/54 707 (Kb6)} 113. Kf2 {-1.68/48 246 (Rc2)} Kb8
{-2.12/58 335 (bxc3)} 114. Kg2 {-1.68/52 509} Qd6 {-2.12/65 225 (bxc3)} 115.
Rc2 {-1.69/52 332} Qf6 {-2.12/64 55 (bxc3)} 116. Rf2 {-1.69/50 219 (Rc1)} Qb6 {
-2.12/61 182 (Kb7)} 117. Re2 {-1.71/46 506 (Rc2)} Qf6 {-2.12/57 190 (Qg6)} 118.
Rf2 {-1.71/53 411 (Re1)} Kb7 {-2.12/62 157 (bxc3)} 119. Re2 {-1.72/51 297 (Rc2)
} bxc3 {-2.12/63 356 (Kc8)} 120. bxc3 {-1.72/48 91} Kc7 {-2.12/65 47 (Kc8)}
121. Rb2 {-1.72/50 179 (Re3)} Kd7 {-2.12/63 209 (Qf4)} 122. Rb5 {-1.72/46 135
(Rc2)} Qe5 {-2.12/65 136} 123. Rb2 {-1.56/51 208} Qe3 {-2.12/67 151} 124. Rc2 {
-1.61/50 133} Qe1 {-2.12/62 58 (Qd3)} 125. Nf5 {-1.62/52 125} Kc6 {-2.12/73 622
} 126. Nd4+ {-1.62/52 84} Kd7 {-2.12/71 188 (Kc5)} 127. Ne2 {-1.64/43 119 (Nf5)
} Qd1 {-2.12/71 157} 128. Nd4 {-1.66/50 291} Ke8 {-2.12/67 106 (Qb1)} 129. Ra2
{-1.66/48 93 (Re2+)} Ke7 {-2.12/65 103 (Qc1)} 130. Rf2 {-1.66/46 104 (Rc2)} Kf8
{-2.12/69 634 (Qb1)} 131. Rc2 {-1.67/48 122} Ke7 {-2.12/68 167 (Qe1)} 132. Ra2
{-1.67/49 113 (Rb2)} Kf6 {-2.12/65 126} 133. Rc2 {-1.67/54 300 (Re2)} Qa1 {
-2.12/71 79 (Qe1)} 134. Ne2 {-1.67/49 62 (Kh2)} Qe1 {-2.12/72 85 (Qb1)} 135.
Nd4 {-1.67/51 90} Qa1 {-2.12/73 164 (Kg6)} 136. Kh2 {-1.67/51 82 (Nf5)} Qb1 {
-2.12/70 75} 137. Kg2 {-1.67/51 70} Qe1 {-2.12/66 126} 138. Nf5 {-1.67/52 209
(Kh2)} Qe5 {-2.12/63 92 (Kg6)} 139. Kf1 {-1.67/46 48 (Nd4)} Qf4 {-2.12/66 83
(Qb8)} 140. Kg2 {-1.67/47 45} Qb8 {-2.12/64 101} 141. Nd4 {-1.67/48 62} Qb1 {
-2.12/70 237} 142. Kh2 {-1.67/51 150 (Rd2)} Qe1 {-2.12/57 59 (Qa1)} 143. Kg2 {
-1.67/51 78} Qe3 {-2.12/60 12} 144. Nf5 {-1.67/52 90 (Nc6)} Qe5 {-2.12/66 52
(Qd3)} 145. Kh1 {-1.67/50 107 (Nd4)} Qc7 {-2.12/55 56 (Kg6)} 146. Kg2 {-1.67/
47 53} Qb8 {-2.12/55 70 (Qf4)} 147. Nd4 {-1.67/46 176} Qb1 {-2.12/58 52 (Qa7)}
148. Rd2 {-1.67/49 92 (Rf2)} Qa1 {-2.12/65 47} 149. Rc2 {-1.67/48 95} Ke7 {
-2.12/52 48 (Qd1)} 150. Ne2 {-1.67/42 35 (Nf5+)} Qa3 {-2.12/52 49 (Kf8)} 151.
Nd4 {-1.67/43 58 (Rd2)} Kd7 {-2.12/49 72 (Kf8)} 152. Ne2 {-1.67/43 53 (Kf1)}
Qe7 {-2.12/49 90 (Qa1)} 153. Nd4 {-1.45/44 39 (Kf2)} Qf6 {-2.12/47 49 (Qd6)}
154. Re2 {-1.45/46 86 (Rb2)} Qd6 {-2.12/45 45 (Qf4)} 155. Rc2 {-1.46/45 59} Kd8
{-2.12/45 63 (Qb6)} 156. Nf5 {-1.45/44 75 (Rc1)} Qf6 {-2.05/42 54 (Qb6)} 157.
Nd4 {-1.45/48 61} Qd6 {-2.09/44 126 (Qa6)} 158. Re2 {-1.46/44 40 (Rc1)} Qa3 {
-1.90/51 96} 159. Rc2 {-1.46/45 27} Qa1 {-1.90/56 34 (Qa6)} 160. Kh2 {-1.47/48
64 (Nf5)} f6 {-1.90/56 39} 161. Kg2 {-1.48/46 19} Kd7 {-1.90/55 31} 162. Kh2 {
-1.48/46 28 (Nf5)} Qb1 {-1.90/54 31} 163. Re2 {-1.48/46 37 (Kg2)} Qd3 {-1.90/
64 34 (Kc8)} 164. Rc2 {-1.48/49 18} Qe3 {-1.90/57 53} 165. Kg2 {-1.48/49 32}
Qe1 {-1.90/62 59 (Kc8)} 166. Kh2 {-1.48/47 22} Qd1 {-1.90/61 28 (Kd8)} 167. Kg2
{-1.48/44 26} Qe1 {-1.90/62 34 (Ke7)} 168. Nf5 {-1.48/43 15 (Nb5)} Kc6 {
-1.90/64 31 (Qe5)} 169. Nd4+ {-1.48/43 19} Kc5 {-1.90/65 29 (Kd6)} 170. Nf5 {
-1.48/46 25 (Kh2)} Kc6 {-1.90/68 51 (Kb5)} 171. Nd4+ {-1.48/44 21} Kc7 {
-1.90/63 41 (Kb6)} 172. Re2 {-1.48/41 21} Qa1 {-1.90/59 27 (Qb1)} 173. Rc2 {
-1.48/45 33 (Kh2)} Kd7 {-1.90/61 31 (Kd6)} 174. Kh2 {-1.48/45 25} Qe1 {-1.90/
59 7 (Ke7)} 175. Nf5 {-1.48/50 41 (Kg2)} Qe5+ {-1.90/58 82 (Kc8)} 176. Kg2 {
-1.48/46 34 (Kh1)} Kc7 {-1.90/63 32 (Kc8)} 177. Nd4 {-1.48/45 30} Qe3 {-1.90/
57 8 (Kd6)} 178. Kh2 {-1.48/49 89 (Re2)} Qf4+ {-1.90/60 62 (Kb7)} 179. Kg2 {
-1.48/46 15} Kd7 {-1.90/60 60} 180. Rb2 {-1.37/44 31 (Nf5)} Qc1 {-1.90/57 21
(Qd6)} 181. Rc2 {-1.37/45 43} Qe3 {-1.90/55 6 (Qb1)} 182. Kh2 {-1.33/45 66
(Nf5)} Qd3 {-1.90/59 24 (Qe8)} 183. Kg2 {-1.34/40 40} Qe3 {-1.90/52 26 (Kd6)}
184. Nf5 {-1.35/45 23} Qb6 {-1.90/57 67 (Qe5)} 185. Nd4 {-1.35/45 37} Qb8 {
-1.90/54 20 (Qb1)} 186. Re2 {-1.35/43 36} Qb1 {-1.90/53 77 (Qd6)} 187. Rc2 {
-1.01/44 17 (Rf2)} Ke7 {-1.90/52 29 (Kc7)} 188. Kh2 {-1.05/46 86 (Rd2)} Qb8+ {
-1.90/50 26 (Kf7)} 189. Kg2 {-1.07/43 15} Qf4 {-1.90/51 26 (Kf8)} 190. Re2+ {
-1.10/43 45} Kd7 {-1.90/49 24 (Kf7)} 191. Rc2 {-1.14/42 29} Ke7 {-1.90/51 26
(Ke8)} 192. Ne2 {-1.17/40 21 (Re2+)} Qe3 {-1.90/52 24 (Qc7)} 193. Ng3 {-1.18/
42 25 (Nd4)} Kd7 {-1.83/48 53 (Kd8)} 194. Ne2 {-1.16/42 21 (Nf5)} Kd8 {-1.89/
50 41 (Ke8)} 195. Nd4 {-1.14/37 15} Kc8 {-1.81/43 30 (Qd3)} 196. Ne2 {-1.13/43
40 (Nf5)} Qc5 {-1.83/40 23 (Qb6)} 197. Nd4 {-1.15/39 31} Qd6 {-1.83/49 37} 198.
Re2 {-1.14/42 26 (Rb2)} Qa3 {-1.68/46 30} 199. Rc2 {-1.14/44 25} Qd6 {-1.60/51
30 (Qa1)} 200. Ra2 {-1.14/38 20 (Re2)} Qb6 {-1.49/46 30 (Qb8)} 201. Re2 {
-1.14/39 28 (Rd2)} Qb1 {-1.33/46 30} 202. Rd2 {-1.12/41 44} Kd8 {-1.36/49 30
(Qa1)} 203. Rc2 {-0.93/42 39 (Re2)} Qe1 {-1.32/47 30 (Qa1)} 204. Nf5 {-0.93/43
21 (Ne2)} Qe5 {-0.95/44 30 (Qd1)} 205. Kf1 {-0.61/40 24 (Nd4)} Qc7 {-0.83/47
30 (d4)} 206. Ra2 {-0.32/42 76 (Kg2)} Qf4 {-0.80/36 30} 207. Kg2 {-0.21/40 22
(Ra8+)} Qe5 {-0.01/51 30 (d4)} 208. Nd4 {0.00/51 32 (Rc2)} Qe3 {0.00/47 30
(Kc8)} 209. Nc6+ {0.00/56 40 (Rc2)} Kc7 {0.00/73 19 (Kc8)} 210. Nd4 {0.00/57 33
} Qd2+ {0.00/67 27 Draw accepted} 1/2-1/2

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Perhaps Lyudmil could play through all of the 210 moves and tell us where the engines or TBs went wrong?
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Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by Nordlandia »

i5-5200U 2-Core | 6-men SSD | Fritz GUI [Last Patch]

Two more games. Everything as before plus ->
- 6-men Syzygy
- TC extended to 5h+30s to provide for the same 5min/move average as before

I'll share games once complete.

One question: shall Syzygy 50-move rule be enabled or disabled, just to give black more winning possibilities?
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Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

tpoppins wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:I believe 6-men EGTB offer more drawing chances.
The way I see it this would only be true if:
a) there's a problem with the corresponding 5-men TBs or
b) there's a problem with the engines probing them or
c) there's a problem with what the engines do with the data they get from the TBs

Nevertheless you may have a point there, even if it's not for the reasons you believe.

Two more games. Everything as before except for
- 6-men Syzygy
- move limit extended from 120 to 150 plies
- TC extended to 5h+30s to provide for the same 5min/move average as before

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 300m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "-1.50;-1.72"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "150"]
[TimeControl "18000+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=48.4 plies; 23,557kN/s;
950,202,708 TBAs B=64.1 plies; 39,473kN/s; 1,846,129,070 TBAs} 1... Qd1+ {
-1.72/56 521 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.50/42 312} Kg7 {-1.65/64 813} 3.
g4 {-1.49/45 177 (Re1)} Qh1 {-1.91/43 182 (a6)} 4. Kg3 {-1.98/45 971} g5 {
-2.35/45 166} 5. Rf2 {-1.90/49 264 (Rh2)} Kf8 {-2.43/54 725 (a6)} 6. Re2 {
-1.97/49 524 (Nf5)} Qg1+ {-2.43/62 374 (a5)} 7. Rg2 {-1.97/5 0} Qd1 {-2.43/62
231 (Qc1)} 8. Rf2 {-1.95/48 234} Qh1 {-2.43/56 47 (Qb1)} 9. Rh2 {-1.98/49 459}
Qg1+ {-2.43/63 318 (Qe1+)} 10. Rg2 {-1.98/5 0} Qe1+ {-2.43/54 85} 11. Rf2 {
-1.98/49 169} Ke8 {-2.43/60 261} 12. Kg2 {-1.98/49 190} Kd7 {-2.43/61 519} 13.
Nf5 {-1.98/48 398} Qc1 {-2.43/62 51} 14. Nd4 {-1.97/51 540 (Re2)} a5 {-2.43/65
364} 15. Rc2 {-1.98/52 467 (Re2)} Qe3 {-2.43/61 390 (Qb1)} 16. Re2 {-1.98/52
326 (Nf5)} Qc1 {-2.43/59 277 (Qf4)} 17. Nf5 {-1.99/50 475 (Kf2)} Kc7 {-2.43/58
335 (Kc6)} 18. Nd4 {-1.99/52 564} Qf4 {-2.43/67 343 (Kb6)} 19. Rc2 {-2.00/53
485 (Re7+)} Kd7 {-2.43/71 276 (Kb6)} 20. Ne2 {-2.00/54 434 (Rf2)} Qe5 {-2.43/
67 399} 21. Nd4 {-2.00/53 242} Kc7 {-2.43/63 297 (Kd6)} 22. Re2 {-1.63/40 148
(Nf5)} Qf4 {-2.43/72 445 (Qf6)} 23. Nf5 {-1.99/47 187 (Re7+)} Kd7 {-2.43/55
301 (Kc6)} 24. Nd4 {-1.99/52 641 (Rc2)} Kd6 {-2.43/73 342} 25. Rf2 {-1.99/53
284 (Rc2)} Kc5 {-2.43/66 491} 26. Re2 {-1.93/53 143} Qc1 {-2.43/68 125 (b5)}
27. Rf2 {-1.93/50 327 (Rc2)} Qf4 {-2.43/65 358 (b5)} 28. Re2 {-1.96/54 565} Qc1
{-2.43/71 1618 (b5)} 29. Rf2 {-1.96/48 279 (Rc2)} Qe3 {-2.43/69 637 (Kd6)} 30.
Nf5 {-1.96/52 642 (Re2)} Qe1 {-2.43/68 304} 31. Nd4 {-1.96/53 451} Qc1 {
-2.43/66 187} 32. Nf5 {-1.97/52 503 (Rc2)} Qb1 {-2.43/60 277 (b6)} 33. Nd4 {
-1.99/51 338 (Re2)} Kb6 {-2.43/69 1061 (b5)} 34. Rc2 {-1.99/50 353} Qe1 {
-2.43/67 540 (Qa1)} 35. Rf2 {-2.00/50 219} Qc1 {-2.43/67 413 (Kc5)} 36. Rc2 {
-2.03/52 675 (Kg3)} Qa1 {-2.43/67 165} 37. Rf2 {-2.03/48 121 (Kg3)} Kc5 {
-2.43/60 450} 38. Nf5 {-2.03/52 423 (Rc2)} Qe1 {-2.43/60 226 (b5)} 39. Rf1 {
-2.03/54 451 (Nd4)} Qe2+ {-2.43/69 175 (Qe5)} 40. Rf2 {-2.03/52 123} Qe5 {
-2.43/69 36} 41. Nd4 {-2.03/52 248} Qe1 {-2.43/61 331 (b5)} 42. Re2 {-2.02/52
333 (Nf5)} Qd1 {-2.43/61 257 (Qa1)} 43. Re8 {-2.02/50 314 (Re5)} Qd2+ {-2.43/
69 138 (Qc1)} 44. Re2 {-2.02/47 100} Qf4 {-2.43/70 160} 45. Re6 {-2.02/50 325
(Nf5)} Qd2+ {-2.43/60 277 (Qc7)} 46. Re2 {-1.30/42 94} Qf4 {-2.43/69 37 (Qd3)}
47. Re6 {-2.02/48 195 (Nf5)} Qc7 {-2.43/64 162} 48. Re8 {-2.03/45 112 (Re2)}
Kb6 {-2.43/67 115} 49. Nf5 {-2.03/46 102 (Re1)} Kc5 {-2.43/61 125 (Kb5)} 50.
Re7 {-2.03/47 218 (Nd4)} Qf4 {-2.43/59 155} 51. Nd4 {-2.03/49 542} b5 {-2.43/
60 22} 52. Re8 {-2.03/51 405 (Re2)} Qc1 {-2.43/59 121 (Kb6)} 53. Re2 {-1.82/50
204} Kb6 {-2.43/60 23 (b4)} 54. Rc2 {-1.88/49 172 (Rf2)} Qb1 {-2.43/67 126
(Qf4)} 55. Rf2 {-1.90/49 86 (Re2)} b4 {-2.43/64 106} 56. axb4 {-1.89/49 81}
axb4 {-2.43/67 26} 57. Rc2 {-1.90/53 199} Ka5 {-2.43/61 100 (Qa1)} 58. Rd2 {
-1.93/46 57 (Re2)} Ka4 {-2.43/63 126 (Qc1)} 59. Rc2 {-1.94/53 178 (Re2)} Ka5 {
-2.43/63 108 (Qe1)} 60. Re2 {-1.94/50 141} Qd3 {-2.43/63 33} 61. Rc2 {-1.94/50
59} Ka4 {-2.43/66 172 (Kb6)} 62. Kf2 {-1.95/49 105} Qd1 {-2.43/68 247} 63. Kg2
{-1.94/48 48} Qb1 {-2.43/70 23 (Qe1)} 64. Re2 {-1.94/51 141 (Kh2)} Qa2 {
-2.43/69 104 (Qa1)} 65. Rf2 {-1.81/51 205 (Rc2)} Qb1 {-2.43/70 106 (Qa1)} 66.
Kh2 {-1.82/48 61 (Re2)} Qd3 {-2.43/67 120 (Qc1)} 67. Rc2 {-1.82/50 50} Qg6 {
-2.43/68 35 (Qe3)} 68. Kg2 {-1.83/46 73 (Rc1)} Qd3 {-2.43/68 127 (Ka5)} 69. Kh2
{-1.83/51 115} Qf1 {-2.43/71 150 (Qe3)} 70. Re2 {-1.78/49 77 (Rg2)} Ka5 {
-2.43/64 72 (Qd1)} 71. Nc6+ {-1.78/50 83 (Rg2)} Ka4 {-2.43/69 70 (Kb6)} 72. Nd4
{-1.77/48 45} Qd1 {-2.43/70 22 (Qc1)} 73. Rc2 {-1.78/48 56} Qa1 {-2.43/71 91
(Ka5)} 74. Kg2 {-1.78/50 39} Ka5 {-2.43/66 103} 75. Kh2 {-1.78/53 105} Qe1 {
-2.43/68 155 (Kb6)} 76. Kg2 {-1.78/49 75 (Re2)} *

[Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 300m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.06"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Black "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "-1.60;-1.44"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "151"]
[TimeControl "18000+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=56.1 plies; 41,729kN/s;
-692,996,184 TBAs B=43.9 plies; 26,150kN/s; -1,467,663,346 TBAs} 1... Qd1+ {
-1.72/56 521 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.60/57 730} Kg7 {-1.44/47 321 (Qc1)
} 3. Nc2 {-1.60/62 503 (Re1)} Qb1 {-1.45/49 190} 4. Nd4 {-1.60/63 97} Qc1 {
-1.46/48 179} 5. Rc2 {-1.60/63 281} Qd1 {-1.45/52 255} 6. Re2 {-1.60/62 160} a6
{-1.46/50 222 (Qb1)} 7. Kg3 {-1.60/56 246 (Rc2)} Qg1 {-1.62/42 176 (Qc1)} 8.
Kf4 {-1.60/67 355 (h4)} Kf6 {-1.62/48 561} 9. Kg3 {-1.60/66 94} b5 {-1.62/47
227 (Qa1)} 10. Re8 {-2.00/47 502} Qf1 {-1.71/46 730 (a5)} 11. Re3 {-2.01/57 462
} Kg7 {-1.78/45 455 (Qc1)} 12. Re7 {-2.06/62 401 (Re8)} Qg1 {-1.78/43 201 (Kf6)
} 13. Re5 {-2.06/62 331 (Re8)} Qf1 {-1.80/44 295} 14. Re8 {-2.06/66 662 (Re3)}
f6 {-1.77/45 854 (Kf6)} 15. Re7+ {-1.92/48 161} Kf8 {-1.77/40 200} 16. Re3 {
-1.92/55 411 (Re6)} Kf7 {-1.88/42 247} 17. Re6 {-1.92/46 171 (h4)} Qd3 {
-1.85/42 271 (g5)} 18. h4 {-2.31/55 541} Qd2 {-1.88/42 870 (Qb1)} 19. Re2 {
-2.39/55 335} Qd1 {-1.92/39 184 (Qc1)} 20. Rc2 {-2.39/57 355 (Re6)} a5 {
-2.35/42 178 (Qh1)} 21. Kg4 {-2.45/56 707} f5+ {-2.35/43 165} 22. Kf4 {-2.70/
57 2077} Kf6 {-2.35/44 142} 23. g4 {-2.70/55 43} fxg4 {-2.36/45 174 (Qe1)} 24.
fxg4 {-2.45/56 228} Qe1 {-2.38/42 137 (Qf1+)} 25. g5+ {-2.45/59 374} Kg7 {
-2.28/42 319} 26. Kg4 {-2.45/62 102} b4 {-2.31/43 158} 27. axb4 {-2.45/66 456}
Qe4+ {-2.32/46 507 (axb4)} 28. Kg3 {-2.45/67 326} Qe3+ {-2.32/46 208 (Qe1+)}
29. Kg2 {-2.45/67 401 (Kg4)} axb4 {-2.33/48 626} 30. Kh2 {-2.45/58 43 (Re2)}
Kg8 {-2.35/46 200 (Kf8)} 31. Re2 {-2.45/66 321 (Kg2)} Qf4+ {-2.36/44 149 (Qc1)}
32. Kh3 {-2.45/68 242} Qc1 {-2.36/45 420 (Kf7)} 33. Rc2 {-2.45/61 230} Qf1+ {
-2.37/41 143} 34. Kh2 {-2.45/66 438 (Kg4)} Qd3 {-2.38/45 235 (Kg7)} 35. Kg2 {
-2.45/71 257} Qd1 {-2.38/47 325 (Qe4+)} 36. Re2 {-2.45/69 386 (Kg3)} Qc1 {
-2.38/47 812} 37. Rc2 {-2.45/70 71} Qe1 {-2.38/45 251 (Qf4)} 38. Kh3 {-2.45/65
239} bxc3 {-2.38/47 444 (Qh1+)} 39. bxc3 {-2.26/59 201} Kg7 {-2.38/48 394 (Kh8)
} 40. Ne2 {-2.26/69 258} Qf1+ {-2.38/49 572 (Qf2)} 41. Kg3 {-2.26/68 595} Qb1 {
-2.38/47 351 (Qe1+)} 42. Nd4 {-2.26/67 166} Qe1+ {-2.38/44 148} 43. Kh3 {
-2.19/60 31} Qf1+ {-2.38/41 112 (Qa1)} 44. Rg2 {-2.18/68 916 (Kg4)} Qh1+ {
-2.38/47 168} 45. Rh2 {-2.18/65 49} Qc1 {-2.38/46 133 (Qe1)} 46. Rc2 {-2.18/67
526} Qe3+ {-2.38/47 235 (Qe1)} 47. Kg2 {-2.11/70 1087 (Kh2)} Kg8 {-2.38/43 122
(Qe4+)} 48. Kh2 {-2.12/64 220} Qd3 {-2.38/46 131 (Qe4)} 49. Kg2 {-2.12/63 87}
Qe3 {-2.38/46 428 (Qe4+)} 50. Kh2 {-2.19/62 172} Qe1 {-2.38/42 133} 51. Kh3 {
-2.12/63 107} Kh7 {-2.38/45 239 (Kf7)} 52. Ne2 {-2.12/60 101} Qh1+ {-2.38/44
202 (Qf2)} 53. Kg3 {-2.12/58 631} Qd1 {-2.38/43 201 (Qe1+)} 54. Nd4 {-2.11/56
125} Qe1+ {-2.38/41 101 (Qg1+)} 55. Kh3 {-2.12/55 349} Kg7 {-2.38/46 410 (Qf1+)
} 56. Ne2 {-1.96/51 71} Kf8 {-2.38/43 140 (Qf2)} 57. Nd4 {-2.11/50 172} Kf7 {
-1.66/41 138 (Kg8)} 58. Ne2 {-2.11/49 90} Kf8 {-1.67/45 170 (Qb1)} 59. Nd4 {
-2.11/45 45} Kg8 {-1.67/45 116 (Qh1+)} 60. Ne2 {-2.12/47 30} Qf1+ {-1.67/45
212 (Qh1+)} 61. Kg3 {-2.11/42 30} Kf7 {-1.67/44 127 (Qa1)} 62. Nd4 {-1.96/40 17
} Qe1+ {-1.67/44 90} 63. Kh3 {-2.01/36 44} Kf8 {-1.67/45 128 (Kg7)} 64. Ne2 {
-1.82/38 22} Qf1+ {-1.67/42 84} 65. Kg3 {-2.18/37 38} Qe1+ {-1.67/44 149 (Qd1)}
66. Kh3 {-1.45/35 16} Ke8 {-1.67/41 84 (Qf1+)} 67. Nd4 {-1.54/35 43} Kd7 {
-1.55/40 130 (Kd8)} 68. Ne2 {-1.23/35 21} Ke8 {-1.55/42 323 (Qd1)} 69. Nd4 {
-1.19/38 24} Kd8 {-1.55/39 531 (Qe3+)} 70. Ne2 {-0.99/37 34} Qh1+ {-1.54/41
218 (Qf1+)} 71. Kg3 {-0.84/36 19} Qe4 {-1.42/36 77 (Ke7)} 72. Nd4 {-0.84/45 36}
Qe5+ {-1.45/38 92 (Qe1+)} 73. Kh3 {-0.91/51 47} Qe3+ {-1.39/39 103 (Qe1)} 74.
Kh2 {-0.59/40 11} Kc8 {-1.28/37 52 (Qd3)} 75. Kg2 {-0.79/44 39} Kd8 {-1.26/38
232} 76. Nc6+ {-0.64/54 27} Kc7 {-1.25/39 71 (Kd7)} *

[/pgn]


Both games ended without a decisive result despite the extended move limit. Draw? I did a playoff for the final position of the first one - same settings except TC=4h+30m and no move limit

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2 playoff, Slow 240m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.06"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "-1.80;-2.25"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/5p2/8/k2p2p1/1ppN2P1/2P2P1P/1PR3K1/4q3 b - - 0 76"]
[PlyCount "269"]
[TimeControl "14400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=47.7 plies; 25,068kN/s; 1,
769,766,698 TBAs B=58.8 plies; 42,402kN/s; -1,360,871,317 TBAs} 76... Kb6 {
-2.25/71 437} 77. Kh2 {-1.80/49 265} Kc5 {-2.25/63 212 (Qb1)} 78. Re2 {-1.80/
53 169 (Kg2)} Qc1 {-2.25/63 199 (Qf1)} 79. Rc2 {-1.80/50 142} Qf4+ {-2.25/63 71
} 80. Kg2 {-1.80/55 236} Qe3 {-2.25/64 210} 81. Nf5 {-1.80/52 136} Qe5 {
-2.25/65 243} 82. Nd4 {-1.80/55 297} Qf4 {-2.25/63 863 (Qe1)} 83. Re2 {-1.81/
51 180} Qd6 {-2.25/61 49 (Qc7)} 84. Re8 {-1.81/53 358 (Rd2)} Qc7 {-2.25/61 253
(Qa6)} 85. Re2 {-1.81/53 300} Qd6 {-2.25/68 230 (Qa5)} 86. Nc2 {-1.82/51 469
(Rd2)} Qf4 {-2.25/65 239 (Qf6)} 87. Nd4 {-1.77/54 391} Kb6 {-2.25/70 248 (Qb8)}
88. Rc2 {-1.78/50 254 (Rf2)} Ka6 {-2.25/73 258 (Ka5)} 89. Re2 {-1.78/53 255}
Kb6 {-2.25/64 256 (Ka5)} 90. Rf2 {-1.78/53 240 (Rc2)} Qe5 {-2.25/68 409 (Qc1)}
91. Re2 {-1.79/53 398 (Rd2)} Qd6 {-2.25/69 230 (Qb8)} 92. Rc2 {-1.79/54 291
(Rd2)} Qc5 {-2.25/67 244 (bxc3)} 93. Nf5 {-1.79/52 360 (Rc1)} Qc7 {-2.25/65 285
} 94. Nd4 {-1.79/55 392} Qf4 {-2.25/74 316 (bxc3)} 95. Re2 {-1.79/56 487} Qd6 {
-2.25/67 418 (bxc3)} 96. Re8 {-1.79/49 210 (Re3)} Kc5 {-2.25/67 214 (Qc7)} 97.
Rc8+ {0.00/53 135 (Re1)} Kb6 {-2.25/72 317} 98. Re8 {-1.80/49 229} Qf4 {
-2.25/65 61 (Qc7)} 99. Re2 {-1.80/55 393} Qc7 {-2.25/63 229 (Qc1)} 100. Nc2 {
-1.80/48 329 (Nf5)} Qd6 {-2.25/64 216} 101. Nd4 {-1.80/50 313} Ka6 {-2.25/56
46 (Kb7)} 102. Nf5 {-1.80/46 211 (Re8)} Qd7 {-2.25/59 234 (Qb6)} 103. Nd4 {
-1.65/50 437 (Rc2)} Qa4 {-2.25/61 248} 104. Rf2 {-1.68/51 353 (Rc2)} Kb7 {
-2.25/63 278 (Kb6)} 105. Rc2 {-1.69/51 454} Qa1 {-2.25/53 49 (bxc3)} 106. Kh2 {
-1.70/53 214} Qe1 {-2.25/56 226} 107. Kg2 {-1.70/54 262} Qe8 {-2.25/53 495
(Kc8)} 108. Re2 {-1.70/45 126 (Kf1)} Qd8 {-2.25/56 442 (Qb8)} 109. Re1 {
-1.71/45 145} Qa5 {-2.25/51 370 (Qb8)} 110. Rc1 {-1.71/52 165} Qa6 {-2.25/48
302 (bxc3)} 111. Kg1 {-1.66/52 223 (Rc2)} Ka7 {-2.25/41 286 (Kb6)} 112. Kg2 {
-1.66/51 208 (Kf2)} Kb7 {-2.25/54 707 (Kb6)} 113. Kf2 {-1.68/48 246 (Rc2)} Kb8
{-2.12/58 335 (bxc3)} 114. Kg2 {-1.68/52 509} Qd6 {-2.12/65 225 (bxc3)} 115.
Rc2 {-1.69/52 332} Qf6 {-2.12/64 55 (bxc3)} 116. Rf2 {-1.69/50 219 (Rc1)} Qb6 {
-2.12/61 182 (Kb7)} 117. Re2 {-1.71/46 506 (Rc2)} Qf6 {-2.12/57 190 (Qg6)} 118.
Rf2 {-1.71/53 411 (Re1)} Kb7 {-2.12/62 157 (bxc3)} 119. Re2 {-1.72/51 297 (Rc2)
} bxc3 {-2.12/63 356 (Kc8)} 120. bxc3 {-1.72/48 91} Kc7 {-2.12/65 47 (Kc8)}
121. Rb2 {-1.72/50 179 (Re3)} Kd7 {-2.12/63 209 (Qf4)} 122. Rb5 {-1.72/46 135
(Rc2)} Qe5 {-2.12/65 136} 123. Rb2 {-1.56/51 208} Qe3 {-2.12/67 151} 124. Rc2 {
-1.61/50 133} Qe1 {-2.12/62 58 (Qd3)} 125. Nf5 {-1.62/52 125} Kc6 {-2.12/73 622
} 126. Nd4+ {-1.62/52 84} Kd7 {-2.12/71 188 (Kc5)} 127. Ne2 {-1.64/43 119 (Nf5)
} Qd1 {-2.12/71 157} 128. Nd4 {-1.66/50 291} Ke8 {-2.12/67 106 (Qb1)} 129. Ra2
{-1.66/48 93 (Re2+)} Ke7 {-2.12/65 103 (Qc1)} 130. Rf2 {-1.66/46 104 (Rc2)} Kf8
{-2.12/69 634 (Qb1)} 131. Rc2 {-1.67/48 122} Ke7 {-2.12/68 167 (Qe1)} 132. Ra2
{-1.67/49 113 (Rb2)} Kf6 {-2.12/65 126} 133. Rc2 {-1.67/54 300 (Re2)} Qa1 {
-2.12/71 79 (Qe1)} 134. Ne2 {-1.67/49 62 (Kh2)} Qe1 {-2.12/72 85 (Qb1)} 135.
Nd4 {-1.67/51 90} Qa1 {-2.12/73 164 (Kg6)} 136. Kh2 {-1.67/51 82 (Nf5)} Qb1 {
-2.12/70 75} 137. Kg2 {-1.67/51 70} Qe1 {-2.12/66 126} 138. Nf5 {-1.67/52 209
(Kh2)} Qe5 {-2.12/63 92 (Kg6)} 139. Kf1 {-1.67/46 48 (Nd4)} Qf4 {-2.12/66 83
(Qb8)} 140. Kg2 {-1.67/47 45} Qb8 {-2.12/64 101} 141. Nd4 {-1.67/48 62} Qb1 {
-2.12/70 237} 142. Kh2 {-1.67/51 150 (Rd2)} Qe1 {-2.12/57 59 (Qa1)} 143. Kg2 {
-1.67/51 78} Qe3 {-2.12/60 12} 144. Nf5 {-1.67/52 90 (Nc6)} Qe5 {-2.12/66 52
(Qd3)} 145. Kh1 {-1.67/50 107 (Nd4)} Qc7 {-2.12/55 56 (Kg6)} 146. Kg2 {-1.67/
47 53} Qb8 {-2.12/55 70 (Qf4)} 147. Nd4 {-1.67/46 176} Qb1 {-2.12/58 52 (Qa7)}
148. Rd2 {-1.67/49 92 (Rf2)} Qa1 {-2.12/65 47} 149. Rc2 {-1.67/48 95} Ke7 {
-2.12/52 48 (Qd1)} 150. Ne2 {-1.67/42 35 (Nf5+)} Qa3 {-2.12/52 49 (Kf8)} 151.
Nd4 {-1.67/43 58 (Rd2)} Kd7 {-2.12/49 72 (Kf8)} 152. Ne2 {-1.67/43 53 (Kf1)}
Qe7 {-2.12/49 90 (Qa1)} 153. Nd4 {-1.45/44 39 (Kf2)} Qf6 {-2.12/47 49 (Qd6)}
154. Re2 {-1.45/46 86 (Rb2)} Qd6 {-2.12/45 45 (Qf4)} 155. Rc2 {-1.46/45 59} Kd8
{-2.12/45 63 (Qb6)} 156. Nf5 {-1.45/44 75 (Rc1)} Qf6 {-2.05/42 54 (Qb6)} 157.
Nd4 {-1.45/48 61} Qd6 {-2.09/44 126 (Qa6)} 158. Re2 {-1.46/44 40 (Rc1)} Qa3 {
-1.90/51 96} 159. Rc2 {-1.46/45 27} Qa1 {-1.90/56 34 (Qa6)} 160. Kh2 {-1.47/48
64 (Nf5)} f6 {-1.90/56 39} 161. Kg2 {-1.48/46 19} Kd7 {-1.90/55 31} 162. Kh2 {
-1.48/46 28 (Nf5)} Qb1 {-1.90/54 31} 163. Re2 {-1.48/46 37 (Kg2)} Qd3 {-1.90/
64 34 (Kc8)} 164. Rc2 {-1.48/49 18} Qe3 {-1.90/57 53} 165. Kg2 {-1.48/49 32}
Qe1 {-1.90/62 59 (Kc8)} 166. Kh2 {-1.48/47 22} Qd1 {-1.90/61 28 (Kd8)} 167. Kg2
{-1.48/44 26} Qe1 {-1.90/62 34 (Ke7)} 168. Nf5 {-1.48/43 15 (Nb5)} Kc6 {
-1.90/64 31 (Qe5)} 169. Nd4+ {-1.48/43 19} Kc5 {-1.90/65 29 (Kd6)} 170. Nf5 {
-1.48/46 25 (Kh2)} Kc6 {-1.90/68 51 (Kb5)} 171. Nd4+ {-1.48/44 21} Kc7 {
-1.90/63 41 (Kb6)} 172. Re2 {-1.48/41 21} Qa1 {-1.90/59 27 (Qb1)} 173. Rc2 {
-1.48/45 33 (Kh2)} Kd7 {-1.90/61 31 (Kd6)} 174. Kh2 {-1.48/45 25} Qe1 {-1.90/
59 7 (Ke7)} 175. Nf5 {-1.48/50 41 (Kg2)} Qe5+ {-1.90/58 82 (Kc8)} 176. Kg2 {
-1.48/46 34 (Kh1)} Kc7 {-1.90/63 32 (Kc8)} 177. Nd4 {-1.48/45 30} Qe3 {-1.90/
57 8 (Kd6)} 178. Kh2 {-1.48/49 89 (Re2)} Qf4+ {-1.90/60 62 (Kb7)} 179. Kg2 {
-1.48/46 15} Kd7 {-1.90/60 60} 180. Rb2 {-1.37/44 31 (Nf5)} Qc1 {-1.90/57 21
(Qd6)} 181. Rc2 {-1.37/45 43} Qe3 {-1.90/55 6 (Qb1)} 182. Kh2 {-1.33/45 66
(Nf5)} Qd3 {-1.90/59 24 (Qe8)} 183. Kg2 {-1.34/40 40} Qe3 {-1.90/52 26 (Kd6)}
184. Nf5 {-1.35/45 23} Qb6 {-1.90/57 67 (Qe5)} 185. Nd4 {-1.35/45 37} Qb8 {
-1.90/54 20 (Qb1)} 186. Re2 {-1.35/43 36} Qb1 {-1.90/53 77 (Qd6)} 187. Rc2 {
-1.01/44 17 (Rf2)} Ke7 {-1.90/52 29 (Kc7)} 188. Kh2 {-1.05/46 86 (Rd2)} Qb8+ {
-1.90/50 26 (Kf7)} 189. Kg2 {-1.07/43 15} Qf4 {-1.90/51 26 (Kf8)} 190. Re2+ {
-1.10/43 45} Kd7 {-1.90/49 24 (Kf7)} 191. Rc2 {-1.14/42 29} Ke7 {-1.90/51 26
(Ke8)} 192. Ne2 {-1.17/40 21 (Re2+)} Qe3 {-1.90/52 24 (Qc7)} 193. Ng3 {-1.18/
42 25 (Nd4)} Kd7 {-1.83/48 53 (Kd8)} 194. Ne2 {-1.16/42 21 (Nf5)} Kd8 {-1.89/
50 41 (Ke8)} 195. Nd4 {-1.14/37 15} Kc8 {-1.81/43 30 (Qd3)} 196. Ne2 {-1.13/43
40 (Nf5)} Qc5 {-1.83/40 23 (Qb6)} 197. Nd4 {-1.15/39 31} Qd6 {-1.83/49 37} 198.
Re2 {-1.14/42 26 (Rb2)} Qa3 {-1.68/46 30} 199. Rc2 {-1.14/44 25} Qd6 {-1.60/51
30 (Qa1)} 200. Ra2 {-1.14/38 20 (Re2)} Qb6 {-1.49/46 30 (Qb8)} 201. Re2 {
-1.14/39 28 (Rd2)} Qb1 {-1.33/46 30} 202. Rd2 {-1.12/41 44} Kd8 {-1.36/49 30
(Qa1)} 203. Rc2 {-0.93/42 39 (Re2)} Qe1 {-1.32/47 30 (Qa1)} 204. Nf5 {-0.93/43
21 (Ne2)} Qe5 {-0.95/44 30 (Qd1)} 205. Kf1 {-0.61/40 24 (Nd4)} Qc7 {-0.83/47
30 (d4)} 206. Ra2 {-0.32/42 76 (Kg2)} Qf4 {-0.80/36 30} 207. Kg2 {-0.21/40 22
(Ra8+)} Qe5 {-0.01/51 30 (d4)} 208. Nd4 {0.00/51 32 (Rc2)} Qe3 {0.00/47 30
(Kc8)} 209. Nc6+ {0.00/56 40 (Rc2)} Kc7 {0.00/73 19 (Kc8)} 210. Nd4 {0.00/57 33
} Qd2+ {0.00/67 27 Draw accepted} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

Perhaps Lyudmil could play through all of the 210 moves and tell us where the engines or TBs went wrong?
just briefly(but thanks again for the tests):

-playing g6-g5 for black is a major mistake, after which the ending is probably already not winnable; with white pawn on g4 and white knight on d4, the f5 square is controlled twice by pieces of lower power, so f7 black pawn remains pemanently backward and black is devoid of attacking chances on the king side; in order for black to win this, it should play f7-f5 instead, like in your previous 2 games
- this is basically a roll of dice; with couple of games, everything can happen, no matter the TC, you might have draw at 5 min., then black win at 1 hour, draw at 5 hrs., and black win at 3 days for the game again; similarly, a one-threaded engine can frequently pick better moves than even 32-threaded one, less frequently, but still frequently enough

my short TC tests give 70% + black wins, but this is not very much reliable too.

the black structure is simply winning in terms of eval: that is what I believe.

- backward b2 white pawn
- pawn majority for black on the queen side

those are 2 very important features that should swing the balance in favour of black.

the general rule should be that the weaker side is able to hold, only if it it does not have any additional weaknesses apart from the material deficit, and here white has 2.

same position with no backward pawn and no pawn majorities is equal, for example.

but those are just my crazy old definitions, of course no one believes in them.

also, too many pawns still left cumulatively, 12 in all, with smaller number of pawns drawing chances increase.

I suggest, for the next run, whoever does it, buying a 64-core, and letting the engines calculate for a month or so.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov
Posts: 6052
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:41 pm

Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

Nordlandia wrote:i5-5200U 2-Core | 6-men SSD | Fritz GUI [Last Patch]

Two more games. Everything as before plus ->
- 6-men Syzygy
- TC extended to 5h+30s to provide for the same 5min/move average as before

I'll share games once complete.

One question: shall Syzygy 50-move rule be enabled or disabled, just to give black more winning possibilities?
and please, if engine plays g6-g5 for black, start game again. :)
MikeGL
Posts: 1010
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:49 pm

Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by MikeGL »

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
tpoppins wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:I believe 6-men EGTB offer more drawing chances.
The way I see it this would only be true if:
a) there's a problem with the corresponding 5-men TBs or
b) there's a problem with the engines probing them or
c) there's a problem with what the engines do with the data they get from the TBs

Nevertheless you may have a point there, even if it's not for the reasons you believe.

Two more games. Everything as before except for
- 6-men Syzygy
- move limit extended from 120 to 150 plies
- TC extended to 5h+30s to provide for the same 5min/move average as before

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 300m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "-1.50;-1.72"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "150"]
[TimeControl "18000+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=48.4 plies; 23,557kN/s;
950,202,708 TBAs B=64.1 plies; 39,473kN/s; 1,846,129,070 TBAs} 1... Qd1+ {
-1.72/56 521 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.50/42 312} Kg7 {-1.65/64 813} 3.
g4 {-1.49/45 177 (Re1)} Qh1 {-1.91/43 182 (a6)} 4. Kg3 {-1.98/45 971} g5 {
-2.35/45 166} 5. Rf2 {-1.90/49 264 (Rh2)} Kf8 {-2.43/54 725 (a6)} 6. Re2 {
-1.97/49 524 (Nf5)} Qg1+ {-2.43/62 374 (a5)} 7. Rg2 {-1.97/5 0} Qd1 {-2.43/62
231 (Qc1)} 8. Rf2 {-1.95/48 234} Qh1 {-2.43/56 47 (Qb1)} 9. Rh2 {-1.98/49 459}
Qg1+ {-2.43/63 318 (Qe1+)} 10. Rg2 {-1.98/5 0} Qe1+ {-2.43/54 85} 11. Rf2 {
-1.98/49 169} Ke8 {-2.43/60 261} 12. Kg2 {-1.98/49 190} Kd7 {-2.43/61 519} 13.
Nf5 {-1.98/48 398} Qc1 {-2.43/62 51} 14. Nd4 {-1.97/51 540 (Re2)} a5 {-2.43/65
364} 15. Rc2 {-1.98/52 467 (Re2)} Qe3 {-2.43/61 390 (Qb1)} 16. Re2 {-1.98/52
326 (Nf5)} Qc1 {-2.43/59 277 (Qf4)} 17. Nf5 {-1.99/50 475 (Kf2)} Kc7 {-2.43/58
335 (Kc6)} 18. Nd4 {-1.99/52 564} Qf4 {-2.43/67 343 (Kb6)} 19. Rc2 {-2.00/53
485 (Re7+)} Kd7 {-2.43/71 276 (Kb6)} 20. Ne2 {-2.00/54 434 (Rf2)} Qe5 {-2.43/
67 399} 21. Nd4 {-2.00/53 242} Kc7 {-2.43/63 297 (Kd6)} 22. Re2 {-1.63/40 148
(Nf5)} Qf4 {-2.43/72 445 (Qf6)} 23. Nf5 {-1.99/47 187 (Re7+)} Kd7 {-2.43/55
301 (Kc6)} 24. Nd4 {-1.99/52 641 (Rc2)} Kd6 {-2.43/73 342} 25. Rf2 {-1.99/53
284 (Rc2)} Kc5 {-2.43/66 491} 26. Re2 {-1.93/53 143} Qc1 {-2.43/68 125 (b5)}
27. Rf2 {-1.93/50 327 (Rc2)} Qf4 {-2.43/65 358 (b5)} 28. Re2 {-1.96/54 565} Qc1
{-2.43/71 1618 (b5)} 29. Rf2 {-1.96/48 279 (Rc2)} Qe3 {-2.43/69 637 (Kd6)} 30.
Nf5 {-1.96/52 642 (Re2)} Qe1 {-2.43/68 304} 31. Nd4 {-1.96/53 451} Qc1 {
-2.43/66 187} 32. Nf5 {-1.97/52 503 (Rc2)} Qb1 {-2.43/60 277 (b6)} 33. Nd4 {
-1.99/51 338 (Re2)} Kb6 {-2.43/69 1061 (b5)} 34. Rc2 {-1.99/50 353} Qe1 {
-2.43/67 540 (Qa1)} 35. Rf2 {-2.00/50 219} Qc1 {-2.43/67 413 (Kc5)} 36. Rc2 {
-2.03/52 675 (Kg3)} Qa1 {-2.43/67 165} 37. Rf2 {-2.03/48 121 (Kg3)} Kc5 {
-2.43/60 450} 38. Nf5 {-2.03/52 423 (Rc2)} Qe1 {-2.43/60 226 (b5)} 39. Rf1 {
-2.03/54 451 (Nd4)} Qe2+ {-2.43/69 175 (Qe5)} 40. Rf2 {-2.03/52 123} Qe5 {
-2.43/69 36} 41. Nd4 {-2.03/52 248} Qe1 {-2.43/61 331 (b5)} 42. Re2 {-2.02/52
333 (Nf5)} Qd1 {-2.43/61 257 (Qa1)} 43. Re8 {-2.02/50 314 (Re5)} Qd2+ {-2.43/
69 138 (Qc1)} 44. Re2 {-2.02/47 100} Qf4 {-2.43/70 160} 45. Re6 {-2.02/50 325
(Nf5)} Qd2+ {-2.43/60 277 (Qc7)} 46. Re2 {-1.30/42 94} Qf4 {-2.43/69 37 (Qd3)}
47. Re6 {-2.02/48 195 (Nf5)} Qc7 {-2.43/64 162} 48. Re8 {-2.03/45 112 (Re2)}
Kb6 {-2.43/67 115} 49. Nf5 {-2.03/46 102 (Re1)} Kc5 {-2.43/61 125 (Kb5)} 50.
Re7 {-2.03/47 218 (Nd4)} Qf4 {-2.43/59 155} 51. Nd4 {-2.03/49 542} b5 {-2.43/
60 22} 52. Re8 {-2.03/51 405 (Re2)} Qc1 {-2.43/59 121 (Kb6)} 53. Re2 {-1.82/50
204} Kb6 {-2.43/60 23 (b4)} 54. Rc2 {-1.88/49 172 (Rf2)} Qb1 {-2.43/67 126
(Qf4)} 55. Rf2 {-1.90/49 86 (Re2)} b4 {-2.43/64 106} 56. axb4 {-1.89/49 81}
axb4 {-2.43/67 26} 57. Rc2 {-1.90/53 199} Ka5 {-2.43/61 100 (Qa1)} 58. Rd2 {
-1.93/46 57 (Re2)} Ka4 {-2.43/63 126 (Qc1)} 59. Rc2 {-1.94/53 178 (Re2)} Ka5 {
-2.43/63 108 (Qe1)} 60. Re2 {-1.94/50 141} Qd3 {-2.43/63 33} 61. Rc2 {-1.94/50
59} Ka4 {-2.43/66 172 (Kb6)} 62. Kf2 {-1.95/49 105} Qd1 {-2.43/68 247} 63. Kg2
{-1.94/48 48} Qb1 {-2.43/70 23 (Qe1)} 64. Re2 {-1.94/51 141 (Kh2)} Qa2 {
-2.43/69 104 (Qa1)} 65. Rf2 {-1.81/51 205 (Rc2)} Qb1 {-2.43/70 106 (Qa1)} 66.
Kh2 {-1.82/48 61 (Re2)} Qd3 {-2.43/67 120 (Qc1)} 67. Rc2 {-1.82/50 50} Qg6 {
-2.43/68 35 (Qe3)} 68. Kg2 {-1.83/46 73 (Rc1)} Qd3 {-2.43/68 127 (Ka5)} 69. Kh2
{-1.83/51 115} Qf1 {-2.43/71 150 (Qe3)} 70. Re2 {-1.78/49 77 (Rg2)} Ka5 {
-2.43/64 72 (Qd1)} 71. Nc6+ {-1.78/50 83 (Rg2)} Ka4 {-2.43/69 70 (Kb6)} 72. Nd4
{-1.77/48 45} Qd1 {-2.43/70 22 (Qc1)} 73. Rc2 {-1.78/48 56} Qa1 {-2.43/71 91
(Ka5)} 74. Kg2 {-1.78/50 39} Ka5 {-2.43/66 103} 75. Kh2 {-1.78/53 105} Qe1 {
-2.43/68 155 (Kb6)} 76. Kg2 {-1.78/49 75 (Re2)} *

[Event "Nordlandia 2, Slow 300m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.06"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Black "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "-1.60;-1.44"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "6k1/pp3p2/6p1/3p4/2pN4/P1P2P1P/1P1qR1P1/6K1 b - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "151"]
[TimeControl "18000+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=56.1 plies; 41,729kN/s;
-692,996,184 TBAs B=43.9 plies; 26,150kN/s; -1,467,663,346 TBAs} 1... Qd1+ {
-1.72/56 521 Both last book move} 2. Kf2 {-1.60/57 730} Kg7 {-1.44/47 321 (Qc1)
} 3. Nc2 {-1.60/62 503 (Re1)} Qb1 {-1.45/49 190} 4. Nd4 {-1.60/63 97} Qc1 {
-1.46/48 179} 5. Rc2 {-1.60/63 281} Qd1 {-1.45/52 255} 6. Re2 {-1.60/62 160} a6
{-1.46/50 222 (Qb1)} 7. Kg3 {-1.60/56 246 (Rc2)} Qg1 {-1.62/42 176 (Qc1)} 8.
Kf4 {-1.60/67 355 (h4)} Kf6 {-1.62/48 561} 9. Kg3 {-1.60/66 94} b5 {-1.62/47
227 (Qa1)} 10. Re8 {-2.00/47 502} Qf1 {-1.71/46 730 (a5)} 11. Re3 {-2.01/57 462
} Kg7 {-1.78/45 455 (Qc1)} 12. Re7 {-2.06/62 401 (Re8)} Qg1 {-1.78/43 201 (Kf6)
} 13. Re5 {-2.06/62 331 (Re8)} Qf1 {-1.80/44 295} 14. Re8 {-2.06/66 662 (Re3)}
f6 {-1.77/45 854 (Kf6)} 15. Re7+ {-1.92/48 161} Kf8 {-1.77/40 200} 16. Re3 {
-1.92/55 411 (Re6)} Kf7 {-1.88/42 247} 17. Re6 {-1.92/46 171 (h4)} Qd3 {
-1.85/42 271 (g5)} 18. h4 {-2.31/55 541} Qd2 {-1.88/42 870 (Qb1)} 19. Re2 {
-2.39/55 335} Qd1 {-1.92/39 184 (Qc1)} 20. Rc2 {-2.39/57 355 (Re6)} a5 {
-2.35/42 178 (Qh1)} 21. Kg4 {-2.45/56 707} f5+ {-2.35/43 165} 22. Kf4 {-2.70/
57 2077} Kf6 {-2.35/44 142} 23. g4 {-2.70/55 43} fxg4 {-2.36/45 174 (Qe1)} 24.
fxg4 {-2.45/56 228} Qe1 {-2.38/42 137 (Qf1+)} 25. g5+ {-2.45/59 374} Kg7 {
-2.28/42 319} 26. Kg4 {-2.45/62 102} b4 {-2.31/43 158} 27. axb4 {-2.45/66 456}
Qe4+ {-2.32/46 507 (axb4)} 28. Kg3 {-2.45/67 326} Qe3+ {-2.32/46 208 (Qe1+)}
29. Kg2 {-2.45/67 401 (Kg4)} axb4 {-2.33/48 626} 30. Kh2 {-2.45/58 43 (Re2)}
Kg8 {-2.35/46 200 (Kf8)} 31. Re2 {-2.45/66 321 (Kg2)} Qf4+ {-2.36/44 149 (Qc1)}
32. Kh3 {-2.45/68 242} Qc1 {-2.36/45 420 (Kf7)} 33. Rc2 {-2.45/61 230} Qf1+ {
-2.37/41 143} 34. Kh2 {-2.45/66 438 (Kg4)} Qd3 {-2.38/45 235 (Kg7)} 35. Kg2 {
-2.45/71 257} Qd1 {-2.38/47 325 (Qe4+)} 36. Re2 {-2.45/69 386 (Kg3)} Qc1 {
-2.38/47 812} 37. Rc2 {-2.45/70 71} Qe1 {-2.38/45 251 (Qf4)} 38. Kh3 {-2.45/65
239} bxc3 {-2.38/47 444 (Qh1+)} 39. bxc3 {-2.26/59 201} Kg7 {-2.38/48 394 (Kh8)
} 40. Ne2 {-2.26/69 258} Qf1+ {-2.38/49 572 (Qf2)} 41. Kg3 {-2.26/68 595} Qb1 {
-2.38/47 351 (Qe1+)} 42. Nd4 {-2.26/67 166} Qe1+ {-2.38/44 148} 43. Kh3 {
-2.19/60 31} Qf1+ {-2.38/41 112 (Qa1)} 44. Rg2 {-2.18/68 916 (Kg4)} Qh1+ {
-2.38/47 168} 45. Rh2 {-2.18/65 49} Qc1 {-2.38/46 133 (Qe1)} 46. Rc2 {-2.18/67
526} Qe3+ {-2.38/47 235 (Qe1)} 47. Kg2 {-2.11/70 1087 (Kh2)} Kg8 {-2.38/43 122
(Qe4+)} 48. Kh2 {-2.12/64 220} Qd3 {-2.38/46 131 (Qe4)} 49. Kg2 {-2.12/63 87}
Qe3 {-2.38/46 428 (Qe4+)} 50. Kh2 {-2.19/62 172} Qe1 {-2.38/42 133} 51. Kh3 {
-2.12/63 107} Kh7 {-2.38/45 239 (Kf7)} 52. Ne2 {-2.12/60 101} Qh1+ {-2.38/44
202 (Qf2)} 53. Kg3 {-2.12/58 631} Qd1 {-2.38/43 201 (Qe1+)} 54. Nd4 {-2.11/56
125} Qe1+ {-2.38/41 101 (Qg1+)} 55. Kh3 {-2.12/55 349} Kg7 {-2.38/46 410 (Qf1+)
} 56. Ne2 {-1.96/51 71} Kf8 {-2.38/43 140 (Qf2)} 57. Nd4 {-2.11/50 172} Kf7 {
-1.66/41 138 (Kg8)} 58. Ne2 {-2.11/49 90} Kf8 {-1.67/45 170 (Qb1)} 59. Nd4 {
-2.11/45 45} Kg8 {-1.67/45 116 (Qh1+)} 60. Ne2 {-2.12/47 30} Qf1+ {-1.67/45
212 (Qh1+)} 61. Kg3 {-2.11/42 30} Kf7 {-1.67/44 127 (Qa1)} 62. Nd4 {-1.96/40 17
} Qe1+ {-1.67/44 90} 63. Kh3 {-2.01/36 44} Kf8 {-1.67/45 128 (Kg7)} 64. Ne2 {
-1.82/38 22} Qf1+ {-1.67/42 84} 65. Kg3 {-2.18/37 38} Qe1+ {-1.67/44 149 (Qd1)}
66. Kh3 {-1.45/35 16} Ke8 {-1.67/41 84 (Qf1+)} 67. Nd4 {-1.54/35 43} Kd7 {
-1.55/40 130 (Kd8)} 68. Ne2 {-1.23/35 21} Ke8 {-1.55/42 323 (Qd1)} 69. Nd4 {
-1.19/38 24} Kd8 {-1.55/39 531 (Qe3+)} 70. Ne2 {-0.99/37 34} Qh1+ {-1.54/41
218 (Qf1+)} 71. Kg3 {-0.84/36 19} Qe4 {-1.42/36 77 (Ke7)} 72. Nd4 {-0.84/45 36}
Qe5+ {-1.45/38 92 (Qe1+)} 73. Kh3 {-0.91/51 47} Qe3+ {-1.39/39 103 (Qe1)} 74.
Kh2 {-0.59/40 11} Kc8 {-1.28/37 52 (Qd3)} 75. Kg2 {-0.79/44 39} Kd8 {-1.26/38
232} 76. Nc6+ {-0.64/54 27} Kc7 {-1.25/39 71 (Kd7)} *

[/pgn]


Both games ended without a decisive result despite the extended move limit. Draw? I did a playoff for the final position of the first one - same settings except TC=4h+30m and no move limit

[pgn][Event "Nordlandia 2 playoff, Slow 240m+30s"]
[Site "DellT5600-PC"]
[Date "2017.07.06"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 11.01 64-bit"]
[Black "Stockfish 280617 64 POPCNT AS"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "-1.80;-2.25"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/5p2/8/k2p2p1/1ppN2P1/2P2P1P/1PR3K1/4q3 b - - 0 76"]
[PlyCount "269"]
[TimeControl "14400+30"]

{Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz 2593 MHz W=47.7 plies; 25,068kN/s; 1,
769,766,698 TBAs B=58.8 plies; 42,402kN/s; -1,360,871,317 TBAs} 76... Kb6 {
-2.25/71 437} 77. Kh2 {-1.80/49 265} Kc5 {-2.25/63 212 (Qb1)} 78. Re2 {-1.80/
53 169 (Kg2)} Qc1 {-2.25/63 199 (Qf1)} 79. Rc2 {-1.80/50 142} Qf4+ {-2.25/63 71
} 80. Kg2 {-1.80/55 236} Qe3 {-2.25/64 210} 81. Nf5 {-1.80/52 136} Qe5 {
-2.25/65 243} 82. Nd4 {-1.80/55 297} Qf4 {-2.25/63 863 (Qe1)} 83. Re2 {-1.81/
51 180} Qd6 {-2.25/61 49 (Qc7)} 84. Re8 {-1.81/53 358 (Rd2)} Qc7 {-2.25/61 253
(Qa6)} 85. Re2 {-1.81/53 300} Qd6 {-2.25/68 230 (Qa5)} 86. Nc2 {-1.82/51 469
(Rd2)} Qf4 {-2.25/65 239 (Qf6)} 87. Nd4 {-1.77/54 391} Kb6 {-2.25/70 248 (Qb8)}
88. Rc2 {-1.78/50 254 (Rf2)} Ka6 {-2.25/73 258 (Ka5)} 89. Re2 {-1.78/53 255}
Kb6 {-2.25/64 256 (Ka5)} 90. Rf2 {-1.78/53 240 (Rc2)} Qe5 {-2.25/68 409 (Qc1)}
91. Re2 {-1.79/53 398 (Rd2)} Qd6 {-2.25/69 230 (Qb8)} 92. Rc2 {-1.79/54 291
(Rd2)} Qc5 {-2.25/67 244 (bxc3)} 93. Nf5 {-1.79/52 360 (Rc1)} Qc7 {-2.25/65 285
} 94. Nd4 {-1.79/55 392} Qf4 {-2.25/74 316 (bxc3)} 95. Re2 {-1.79/56 487} Qd6 {
-2.25/67 418 (bxc3)} 96. Re8 {-1.79/49 210 (Re3)} Kc5 {-2.25/67 214 (Qc7)} 97.
Rc8+ {0.00/53 135 (Re1)} Kb6 {-2.25/72 317} 98. Re8 {-1.80/49 229} Qf4 {
-2.25/65 61 (Qc7)} 99. Re2 {-1.80/55 393} Qc7 {-2.25/63 229 (Qc1)} 100. Nc2 {
-1.80/48 329 (Nf5)} Qd6 {-2.25/64 216} 101. Nd4 {-1.80/50 313} Ka6 {-2.25/56
46 (Kb7)} 102. Nf5 {-1.80/46 211 (Re8)} Qd7 {-2.25/59 234 (Qb6)} 103. Nd4 {
-1.65/50 437 (Rc2)} Qa4 {-2.25/61 248} 104. Rf2 {-1.68/51 353 (Rc2)} Kb7 {
-2.25/63 278 (Kb6)} 105. Rc2 {-1.69/51 454} Qa1 {-2.25/53 49 (bxc3)} 106. Kh2 {
-1.70/53 214} Qe1 {-2.25/56 226} 107. Kg2 {-1.70/54 262} Qe8 {-2.25/53 495
(Kc8)} 108. Re2 {-1.70/45 126 (Kf1)} Qd8 {-2.25/56 442 (Qb8)} 109. Re1 {
-1.71/45 145} Qa5 {-2.25/51 370 (Qb8)} 110. Rc1 {-1.71/52 165} Qa6 {-2.25/48
302 (bxc3)} 111. Kg1 {-1.66/52 223 (Rc2)} Ka7 {-2.25/41 286 (Kb6)} 112. Kg2 {
-1.66/51 208 (Kf2)} Kb7 {-2.25/54 707 (Kb6)} 113. Kf2 {-1.68/48 246 (Rc2)} Kb8
{-2.12/58 335 (bxc3)} 114. Kg2 {-1.68/52 509} Qd6 {-2.12/65 225 (bxc3)} 115.
Rc2 {-1.69/52 332} Qf6 {-2.12/64 55 (bxc3)} 116. Rf2 {-1.69/50 219 (Rc1)} Qb6 {
-2.12/61 182 (Kb7)} 117. Re2 {-1.71/46 506 (Rc2)} Qf6 {-2.12/57 190 (Qg6)} 118.
Rf2 {-1.71/53 411 (Re1)} Kb7 {-2.12/62 157 (bxc3)} 119. Re2 {-1.72/51 297 (Rc2)
} bxc3 {-2.12/63 356 (Kc8)} 120. bxc3 {-1.72/48 91} Kc7 {-2.12/65 47 (Kc8)}
121. Rb2 {-1.72/50 179 (Re3)} Kd7 {-2.12/63 209 (Qf4)} 122. Rb5 {-1.72/46 135
(Rc2)} Qe5 {-2.12/65 136} 123. Rb2 {-1.56/51 208} Qe3 {-2.12/67 151} 124. Rc2 {
-1.61/50 133} Qe1 {-2.12/62 58 (Qd3)} 125. Nf5 {-1.62/52 125} Kc6 {-2.12/73 622
} 126. Nd4+ {-1.62/52 84} Kd7 {-2.12/71 188 (Kc5)} 127. Ne2 {-1.64/43 119 (Nf5)
} Qd1 {-2.12/71 157} 128. Nd4 {-1.66/50 291} Ke8 {-2.12/67 106 (Qb1)} 129. Ra2
{-1.66/48 93 (Re2+)} Ke7 {-2.12/65 103 (Qc1)} 130. Rf2 {-1.66/46 104 (Rc2)} Kf8
{-2.12/69 634 (Qb1)} 131. Rc2 {-1.67/48 122} Ke7 {-2.12/68 167 (Qe1)} 132. Ra2
{-1.67/49 113 (Rb2)} Kf6 {-2.12/65 126} 133. Rc2 {-1.67/54 300 (Re2)} Qa1 {
-2.12/71 79 (Qe1)} 134. Ne2 {-1.67/49 62 (Kh2)} Qe1 {-2.12/72 85 (Qb1)} 135.
Nd4 {-1.67/51 90} Qa1 {-2.12/73 164 (Kg6)} 136. Kh2 {-1.67/51 82 (Nf5)} Qb1 {
-2.12/70 75} 137. Kg2 {-1.67/51 70} Qe1 {-2.12/66 126} 138. Nf5 {-1.67/52 209
(Kh2)} Qe5 {-2.12/63 92 (Kg6)} 139. Kf1 {-1.67/46 48 (Nd4)} Qf4 {-2.12/66 83
(Qb8)} 140. Kg2 {-1.67/47 45} Qb8 {-2.12/64 101} 141. Nd4 {-1.67/48 62} Qb1 {
-2.12/70 237} 142. Kh2 {-1.67/51 150 (Rd2)} Qe1 {-2.12/57 59 (Qa1)} 143. Kg2 {
-1.67/51 78} Qe3 {-2.12/60 12} 144. Nf5 {-1.67/52 90 (Nc6)} Qe5 {-2.12/66 52
(Qd3)} 145. Kh1 {-1.67/50 107 (Nd4)} Qc7 {-2.12/55 56 (Kg6)} 146. Kg2 {-1.67/
47 53} Qb8 {-2.12/55 70 (Qf4)} 147. Nd4 {-1.67/46 176} Qb1 {-2.12/58 52 (Qa7)}
148. Rd2 {-1.67/49 92 (Rf2)} Qa1 {-2.12/65 47} 149. Rc2 {-1.67/48 95} Ke7 {
-2.12/52 48 (Qd1)} 150. Ne2 {-1.67/42 35 (Nf5+)} Qa3 {-2.12/52 49 (Kf8)} 151.
Nd4 {-1.67/43 58 (Rd2)} Kd7 {-2.12/49 72 (Kf8)} 152. Ne2 {-1.67/43 53 (Kf1)}
Qe7 {-2.12/49 90 (Qa1)} 153. Nd4 {-1.45/44 39 (Kf2)} Qf6 {-2.12/47 49 (Qd6)}
154. Re2 {-1.45/46 86 (Rb2)} Qd6 {-2.12/45 45 (Qf4)} 155. Rc2 {-1.46/45 59} Kd8
{-2.12/45 63 (Qb6)} 156. Nf5 {-1.45/44 75 (Rc1)} Qf6 {-2.05/42 54 (Qb6)} 157.
Nd4 {-1.45/48 61} Qd6 {-2.09/44 126 (Qa6)} 158. Re2 {-1.46/44 40 (Rc1)} Qa3 {
-1.90/51 96} 159. Rc2 {-1.46/45 27} Qa1 {-1.90/56 34 (Qa6)} 160. Kh2 {-1.47/48
64 (Nf5)} f6 {-1.90/56 39} 161. Kg2 {-1.48/46 19} Kd7 {-1.90/55 31} 162. Kh2 {
-1.48/46 28 (Nf5)} Qb1 {-1.90/54 31} 163. Re2 {-1.48/46 37 (Kg2)} Qd3 {-1.90/
64 34 (Kc8)} 164. Rc2 {-1.48/49 18} Qe3 {-1.90/57 53} 165. Kg2 {-1.48/49 32}
Qe1 {-1.90/62 59 (Kc8)} 166. Kh2 {-1.48/47 22} Qd1 {-1.90/61 28 (Kd8)} 167. Kg2
{-1.48/44 26} Qe1 {-1.90/62 34 (Ke7)} 168. Nf5 {-1.48/43 15 (Nb5)} Kc6 {
-1.90/64 31 (Qe5)} 169. Nd4+ {-1.48/43 19} Kc5 {-1.90/65 29 (Kd6)} 170. Nf5 {
-1.48/46 25 (Kh2)} Kc6 {-1.90/68 51 (Kb5)} 171. Nd4+ {-1.48/44 21} Kc7 {
-1.90/63 41 (Kb6)} 172. Re2 {-1.48/41 21} Qa1 {-1.90/59 27 (Qb1)} 173. Rc2 {
-1.48/45 33 (Kh2)} Kd7 {-1.90/61 31 (Kd6)} 174. Kh2 {-1.48/45 25} Qe1 {-1.90/
59 7 (Ke7)} 175. Nf5 {-1.48/50 41 (Kg2)} Qe5+ {-1.90/58 82 (Kc8)} 176. Kg2 {
-1.48/46 34 (Kh1)} Kc7 {-1.90/63 32 (Kc8)} 177. Nd4 {-1.48/45 30} Qe3 {-1.90/
57 8 (Kd6)} 178. Kh2 {-1.48/49 89 (Re2)} Qf4+ {-1.90/60 62 (Kb7)} 179. Kg2 {
-1.48/46 15} Kd7 {-1.90/60 60} 180. Rb2 {-1.37/44 31 (Nf5)} Qc1 {-1.90/57 21
(Qd6)} 181. Rc2 {-1.37/45 43} Qe3 {-1.90/55 6 (Qb1)} 182. Kh2 {-1.33/45 66
(Nf5)} Qd3 {-1.90/59 24 (Qe8)} 183. Kg2 {-1.34/40 40} Qe3 {-1.90/52 26 (Kd6)}
184. Nf5 {-1.35/45 23} Qb6 {-1.90/57 67 (Qe5)} 185. Nd4 {-1.35/45 37} Qb8 {
-1.90/54 20 (Qb1)} 186. Re2 {-1.35/43 36} Qb1 {-1.90/53 77 (Qd6)} 187. Rc2 {
-1.01/44 17 (Rf2)} Ke7 {-1.90/52 29 (Kc7)} 188. Kh2 {-1.05/46 86 (Rd2)} Qb8+ {
-1.90/50 26 (Kf7)} 189. Kg2 {-1.07/43 15} Qf4 {-1.90/51 26 (Kf8)} 190. Re2+ {
-1.10/43 45} Kd7 {-1.90/49 24 (Kf7)} 191. Rc2 {-1.14/42 29} Ke7 {-1.90/51 26
(Ke8)} 192. Ne2 {-1.17/40 21 (Re2+)} Qe3 {-1.90/52 24 (Qc7)} 193. Ng3 {-1.18/
42 25 (Nd4)} Kd7 {-1.83/48 53 (Kd8)} 194. Ne2 {-1.16/42 21 (Nf5)} Kd8 {-1.89/
50 41 (Ke8)} 195. Nd4 {-1.14/37 15} Kc8 {-1.81/43 30 (Qd3)} 196. Ne2 {-1.13/43
40 (Nf5)} Qc5 {-1.83/40 23 (Qb6)} 197. Nd4 {-1.15/39 31} Qd6 {-1.83/49 37} 198.
Re2 {-1.14/42 26 (Rb2)} Qa3 {-1.68/46 30} 199. Rc2 {-1.14/44 25} Qd6 {-1.60/51
30 (Qa1)} 200. Ra2 {-1.14/38 20 (Re2)} Qb6 {-1.49/46 30 (Qb8)} 201. Re2 {
-1.14/39 28 (Rd2)} Qb1 {-1.33/46 30} 202. Rd2 {-1.12/41 44} Kd8 {-1.36/49 30
(Qa1)} 203. Rc2 {-0.93/42 39 (Re2)} Qe1 {-1.32/47 30 (Qa1)} 204. Nf5 {-0.93/43
21 (Ne2)} Qe5 {-0.95/44 30 (Qd1)} 205. Kf1 {-0.61/40 24 (Nd4)} Qc7 {-0.83/47
30 (d4)} 206. Ra2 {-0.32/42 76 (Kg2)} Qf4 {-0.80/36 30} 207. Kg2 {-0.21/40 22
(Ra8+)} Qe5 {-0.01/51 30 (d4)} 208. Nd4 {0.00/51 32 (Rc2)} Qe3 {0.00/47 30
(Kc8)} 209. Nc6+ {0.00/56 40 (Rc2)} Kc7 {0.00/73 19 (Kc8)} 210. Nd4 {0.00/57 33
} Qd2+ {0.00/67 27 Draw accepted} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

Perhaps Lyudmil could play through all of the 210 moves and tell us where the engines or TBs went wrong?
just briefly(but thanks again for the tests):

-playing g6-g5 for black is a major mistake, after which the ending is probably already not winnable; with white pawn on g4 and white knight on d4, the f5 square is controlled twice by pieces of lower power, so f7 black pawn remains pemanently backward and black is devoid of attacking chances on the king side; in order for black to win this, it should play f7-f5 instead, like in your previous 2 games
- this is basically a roll of dice; with couple of games, everything can happen, no matter the TC, you might have draw at 5 min., then black win at 1 hour, draw at 5 hrs., and black win at 3 days for the game again; similarly, a one-threaded engine can frequently pick better moves than even 32-threaded one, less frequently, but still frequently enough

my short TC tests give 70% + black wins, but this is not very much reliable too.

the black structure is simply winning in terms of eval: that is what I believe.

- backward b2 white pawn
- pawn majority for black on the queen side

those are 2 very important features that should swing the balance in favour of black.

the general rule should be that the weaker side is able to hold, only if it it does not have any additional weaknesses apart from the material deficit, and here white has 2.

same position with no backward pawn and no pawn majorities is equal, for example.

but those are just my crazy old definitions, of course no one believes in them.

also, too many pawns still left cumulatively, 12 in all, with smaller number of pawns drawing chances increase.

I suggest, for the next run, whoever does it, buying a 64-core, and letting the engines calculate for a month or so.
I took a peek at all those 3 games which was played with long time
control. The 76-mover game, 210-mover, and another 76.
Looks like a convincing draw there.

No zugzwang, black could probably win if there was,
but white has a lot of space. Mobility for rook, centralized N and space for King seems to be at max and can do anything they want.
Looks like black cannot break whites fortress.

regards
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Re: Goldin vs Korzubov, Dushanbe 1980

Post by Nordlandia »

Stockfish Dev on my system (i7-5960X 4.1GHz) is not able to win against Komodo 11.01.

For the moment this endgame is considered to be engine draw, but we are not 100% certain yet.

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