I don't understand the statement either.Werewolf wrote:In what sense? A top engine on good hardware beats any human at any time control now.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:20-30 years more until top engines catch up with best humans in terms of strength
When did chess engines running on common home pc hardware be
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It's trolling, designed to get attention. Pretty easy to understand.Leo wrote: I don't understand the statement either.
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And how many human players simply memorize openings? No difference in my opinion.Nordlandia wrote:The question is -> how long until engines can catch up on opening understanding.
Engines are given opening book to compensate for relative mild opening play.
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if you call trolling my positive score against SF(with small time odds in my favour, but fast TC), with more than 500 winning games available in my database, then I am fine with it.tmokonen wrote:It's trolling, designed to get attention. Pretty easy to understand.Leo wrote: I don't understand the statement either.
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thanks Carl.carldaman wrote:By all means, Lyudmil, I hope they can include all your games.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:most importantly, my 1000+ won games against SF will be missing.carldaman wrote:Hi,Isaac wrote:When did chess engines running on a common home pc hardware became stronger than the strongest human?
Was it around 2006?
By common home pc hardware I mean the kind of hardware people would buy (like Intel core 2 duo E6300 back in 2006). I am excluding server machines.
I am interested in which hardware, which human and which chess engine you consider in your reply.
Thank you!
there used to be a few human vs comp databases floating around. There is one by G. Tsavdaris at Ed's site but I can't reach the site that hosts it.
The link is:
http://www.top-5000.nl/gm-comp/dgt_chesstheatre.htm
Another one is hosted here:
http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb432434/welcome.htm
It would be great if someone could repost the G. Tsavdaris db.
Thanks,
CL
PS. To answer the original question, I think the top engines reached parity [at STC] with the strongest humans in the 2001-2006 period, and went beyond it after 2006 (Rybka being a notch or two stronger).
not very representative database in this case, I think.
a highly appreciated opinion by a real connoisseur.
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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: if you call trolling my positive score against SF(with small time odds in my favour, but fast TC), with more than 500 winning games available in my database, then I am fine with it.
What database, trollmeister Tsvetkov?
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Des jungen Trollmeisters Tsvetkovs ccc-Leiden und -Leidenschaften.tmokonen wrote:Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: if you call trolling my positive score against SF(with small time odds in my favour, but fast TC), with more than 500 winning games available in my database, then I am fine with it.
What database, trollmeister Tsvetkov?
my personal database, man, my personal one, which, btw., is growing with each and every day.
I never finish another day until I obtain at least 2 wins from SF.
so, tomorrow, there will be 2 more.
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I can't see your FIDE rating on their site.
Perhaps you have a special way of playing against engines?
I'm basically saying: if we sat you down - unaided and under controlled conditions - against latest SF on good hardware with a book you hadn't seen before, and played a match at tournament time controls, I'd be amazed if you scored more than 5%.
Perhaps you have a special way of playing against engines?
I'm basically saying: if we sat you down - unaided and under controlled conditions - against latest SF on good hardware with a book you hadn't seen before, and played a match at tournament time controls, I'd be amazed if you scored more than 5%.
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my FIDE rating is just 2100+, Bulgarian rating 2200+, but I have not played for 12 or so years.Werewolf wrote:I can't see your FIDE rating on their site.
Perhaps you have a special way of playing against engines?
I'm basically saying: if we sat you down - unaided and under controlled conditions - against latest SF on good hardware with a book you hadn't seen before, and played a match at tournament time controls, I'd be amazed if you scored more than 5%.
SF is no match for me, of course I will score more than 50% against it under normal, Fischer conditions.
by Fischer conditions I understand a back room, with no buzzing cameras, talking people and obtrusive light.
I never play under any other conditions, and as such conditions are mostly unavalable, I never play in public.
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Tsvetkov is actually an amazing phenomenon. He achieved a perfect chess anti-correlation, namely his claims have 100% fail rate which is really astonishing considering they are related to binary problems with only two possible outcomes and the expected random rate should be 50%.
So in an essence he could be used as a perfect chess oracle and is certainly better than SF or any modern engine.
The only correction that one has to make for the sign of "Tsvetkov's evaluation" but that's just a very minor correction .
So in an essence he could be used as a perfect chess oracle and is certainly better than SF or any modern engine.
The only correction that one has to make for the sign of "Tsvetkov's evaluation" but that's just a very minor correction .