Queens vs Knights

[Adam Hair]

as said, and tested in practice, in pure case scenario, 7Ns equal 3Qs.

I have played many games like that, and all games end in a draw.

[pgn][Event "Shootout (Stockfish864POPCNT, Blitz 1m)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2nnknn1/3nnn2/8/8/8/8/8/2QQKQ2 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "165"]

1. Qf2 {7.37/15 6} Ngf6 {6.62/17 4} 2. Qg1 {6.16/15 2 (Qa4)} Ncd6 {5.93/18 5
(Nfe6)} 3. Kf1 {5.65/17 1} Nfe6 {5.03/17 2} 4. Qb3 {4.75/16 2 (Qa3)} Nde4 {4.
34/16 2} 5. Qh3 {4.27/15 1} Ned5 {4.25/19 2} 6. Qc2 {4.23/16 1 (Qb2)} Nef4 {4.
04/19 1} 7. Qa3 {4.00/18 1} Nec3 {3.95/20 2} 8. Qcf2 {4.07/18 0} Nde5 {3.90/21
1} 9. Qg7 {3.85/19 1} Nfe6 {3.82/22 2} 10. Qfxf6 {3.89/19 1 (Qgxf6)} Nxf6 {3.
83/21 1} 11. Qxf6 {3.77/19 1} Nd5 {3.70/19 1} 12. Qf5 {3.79/20 2} Nef4 {3.58/
22 2} 13. Kg1 {3.58/20 1 (Qa7)} Nde6 {3.28/20 2} 14. Qc2 {3.43/19 1 (Qe4)} Nfg5
{3.08/21 1} 15. Qa7 {3.08/22 1} Ndc7 {3.08/24 1} 16. Qf5 {3.08/24 1 (Qaa4+)}
Ned3 {3.08/26 2} 17. Qb8+ {3.08/23 0 (Qf6)} Kd7 {3.08/27 3} 18. Qb6 {2.93/25 4}
Ncd5 {2.86/26 4} 19. Qa7+ {2.79/20 0} Kd6 {2.79/25 2} 20. Qa3+ {2.79/24 2
(Qa6+)} N5b4 {2.38/26 3} 21. Kh1 {1.52/21 3} Nf3 {1.70/21 1} 22. Qa7 {1.35/19 0
} Nbd5 {1.10/19 1} 23. Qff7 {0.88/17 1 (Qfh7)} Ke5 {0.37/20 2} 24. Qh7 {0.28/
18 1} Nec5 {0.25/20 1} 25. Qa1+ {0.24/17 0} Kd6 {0.19/20 1} 26. Qh6+ {0.25/20
0 (Qf1)} Nce6 {0.18/20 1} 27. Qf1 {0.17/20 0} Nd2 {0.18/21 1} 28. Qg1 {0.17/20
1} Ne4 {0.17/21 1} 29. Qa7 {0.17/19 1} Ndf2+ {0.16/20 1} 30. Kg1 {0.16/23 2}
Ne2+ {0.16/22 1} 31. Kf1 {0.16/23 5} Ndf4 {0.13/17 0 (N2g3+)} 32. Qb8+ {0.13/
18 0 (Qb6+)} Kd5 {0.13/21 1} 33. Qb3+ {0.13/21 1} Kc5 {0.13/22 1} 34. Qa3+ {0.
13/19 0} Kd5 {0.13/21 0} 35. Qh8 {0.13/21 2 (Qh2)} N2g3+ {0.13/20 0} 36. Qxg3 {
0.13/23 1} Nxg3+ {0.13/23 1} 37. Kxf2 {0.13/25 2} Ne4+ {0.13/25 0} 38. Kf3 {0.
13/26 1} N4c5 {0.13/25 0} 39. Qa1 {0.13/24 0 (Qa8+)} Nfd3 {0.13/24 0} 40. Qa8+
{0.13/22 2 (Ke3)} Kc4 {0.13/22 0 (Ke5)} 41. Qa2+ {0.13/22 0} Kd4 {0.13/23 0}
42. Qd2 {0.13/23 0} Nef4 {0.12/20 0} 43. Qh2 {0.12/19 0} Nd5 {0.12/19 0} 44.
Qg1+ {0.12/19 0 (Qh8+)} Kc4 {0.12/17 0} 45. Qg4+ {0.12/17 0} Kc3 {0.12/13 0}
46. Kg3 {0.12/16 0 (Qg7+)} Ne5 {0.12/13 0 (Nf6)} 47. Qe2 {0.09/16 0} Ncd3 {0.
09/16 0} 48. Qe4 {0.10/18 0 (Qa2)} Nf6 {0.11/16 0} 49. Qb7 {0.12/19 0 (Qe3)}
Nfd7 {0.12/18 0} 50. Qa7 {0.12/20 0} N7c5 {0.12/19 0 (Kd2)} 51. Kh4 {0.12/20 0}
Kd4 {0.12/18 0 (Kd2)} 52. Kg5 {0.12/19 0} Ke3 {0.12/15 0 (Ke4)} 53. Kf6 {0.12/
17 0} Kf4 {0.12/17 0} 54. Qa8 {0.12/18 0} Ke3 {0.12/14 0} 55. Qh1 {0.12/17 0
(Qa3)} Nf3 {0.12/16 0} 56. Ke7 {0.12/19 0} Nde5 {0.12/18 0} 57. Qc1+ {0.11/18 0
} Kd4 {0.11/18 0} 58. Qa1+ {0.12/20 0} Ke3 {0.12/21 0} 59. Kd6 {0.12/21 0} Ncd3
{0.12/19 0} 60. Qa7+ {0.12/21 0} Ke4 {0.12/21 0} 61. Qe7 {0.12/22 0} Ke3 {0.12/
20 0} 62. Kd5 {0.12/22 0} Nf4+ {0.12/21 0} 63. Kc5 {0.12/23 0} Nfd3+ {0.12/22 0
} 64. Kd6 {0.12/23 0} Ke4 {0.12/22 0} 65. Qb7+ {0.12/20 0 (Qe8)} Ke3 {0.12/19
0 (Kd4)} 66. Qd5 {0.12/20 0} Kf4 {0.12/20 0} 67. Qa2 {0.12/20 0} Ke4 {0.12/20 0
} 68. Qa8+ {0.11/19 0} Kf4 {0.11/20 0} 69. Qa4+ {0.11/20 0 (Ke6)} Ke3 {0.11/19
0} 70. Kc7 {0.11/20 0} Nf4 {0.11/20 0} 71. Qa7+ {0.11/17 0 (Qa2)} Ke4 {0.11/18
0} 72. Qb7+ {0.11/18 0} Ke3 {0.11/18 0} 73. Qb6+ {0.11/18 0} Ke4 {0.11/15 0}
74. Qb1+ {0.11/17 0 (Qa6)} Kd4 {0.11/18 0} 75. Qa1+ {0.11/18 0} Ke3 {0.11/16 0
(Ke4)} 76. Qa4 {0.11/17 0 (Qc3+)} Nd5+ {0.11/16 0} 77. Kd6 {0.10/15 0} Nf4 {0.
11/15 0} 78. Qa8 {0.11/14 0} Ned3 {0.09/14 0} 79. Ke7 {0.08/13 0} Ng6+ {0.08/
11 0} 80. Kf7 {0.08/13 0 (Kd7)} Ngf4 {0.07/13 0} 81. Qa3 {0.00/12 0 (Kf6)} Ke4
{0.00/14 0} 82. Qa8+ {0.00/17 0} Ke3 {0.00/23 0} 83. Kg7 {0.00/20 0 (Qa3)}
1/2-1/2

[Event "Shootout (Stockfish864POPCNT, Blitz 1m)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2nnknn1/3nnn2/8/8/8/8/8/2QQKQ2 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "165"]

1. Qf2 {7.37/15 6} Ngf6 {6.62/17 4} 2. Qg1 {6.16/15 2 (Qa4)} Ncd6 {5.93/18 5
(Nfe6)} 3. Kf1 {5.65/17 1} Nfe6 {5.03/17 2} 4. Qb3 {4.75/16 2 (Qa3)} Nde4 {4.
34/16 2} 5. Qh3 {4.27/15 1} Ned5 {4.25/19 2} 6. Qc2 {4.23/16 0 (Qb2)} Nef4 {4.
04/19 1} 7. Qa3 {4.00/18 1} Nec3 {3.95/20 2} 8. Qcf2 {4.07/18 0} Nde5 {3.90/21
1} 9. Qg7 {3.85/19 1} Nfe6 {3.82/22 2} 10. Qfxf6 {3.89/19 0 (Qgxf6)} Nxf6 {3.
83/21 1} 11. Qxf6 {3.77/19 1} Nd5 {3.70/19 1} 12. Qf5 {3.79/20 2} Nef4 {3.58/
22 2} 13. Kg1 {3.58/20 1 (Qa7)} Nde6 {3.28/20 2} 14. Qc2 {3.43/19 1 (Qe4)} Nfg5
{3.08/21 1} 15. Qa7 {3.08/22 1} Ndc7 {3.08/24 1} 16. Qf5 {3.08/24 1 (Qaa4+)}
Ned3 {3.08/26 2} 17. Qb8+ {3.08/23 0 (Qf6)} Kd7 {3.08/27 3} 18. Qb6 {2.93/25 4}
Ncd5 {2.86/26 4} 19. Qa7+ {2.87/22 1} Kd6 {2.85/26 1} 20. Kh2 {2.79/25 1} Ndc5
{2.79/26 1} 21. Qb8+ {2.79/24 0 (Qa3)} Ke7 {2.79/28 1} 22. Kh1 {2.79/28 1} Nd7
{2.79/28 1} 23. Qa7 {2.71/22 1 (Qb3)} N5f6 {2.58/21 1} 24. Qa3+ {2.73/18 1} Kf7
{2.41/20 2 (Ke8)} 25. Qb3 {2.20/19 1} Ke8 {2.37/20 2} 26. Qb7 {2.20/19 1 (Qa4)}
Nfe4 {1.87/19 2} 27. Qa5 {1.69/17 1 (Qfb5)} N6c5 {1.72/16 0} 28. Qaa8+ {1.60/
18 1 (Qc8+)} Kf7 {1.08/18 1} 29. Qc7 {0.78/18 1} Nge6 {0.93/17 0} 30. Qca7 {0.
52/17 1} Nef6 {0.36/16 0} 31. Kg1 {0.16/19 1 (Qh8)} Kg6 {0.12/18 1} 32. Kf1 {
0.12/19 0} Ne5 {0.15/20 1} 33. Ke1 {0.18/20 0} Ned3+ {0.18/20 1} 34. Kd1 {0.14/
19 1} N4d5 {0.12/19 0} 35. Q7b8 {0.12/19 0 (Q8b8)} Nce4 {0.16/18 0} 36. Kc2 {
0.11/20 1 (Qa1)} N6c5 {0.11/20 0} 37. Qa3 {0.11/22 0} N3b4+ {0.11/21 0} 38.
Qbxb4 {0.11/24 1} Nxb4+ {0.11/25 1} 39. Qxb4 {0.11/27 0} Kf5 {0.11/27 0 (Ne6)}
40. Qb8 {0.11/27 0} Ne6 {0.11/27 0} 41. Kb3 {0.11/25 0 (Kd3)} N6c5+ {0.11/23 0
(Nd5)} 42. Kc4 {0.11/27 0} Ne6 {0.11/27 0} 43. Qb1 {0.11/26 0 (Qh2)} Kg6 {0.11/
26 0} 44. Qg1+ {0.11/27 0} Kf5 {0.11/28 0} 45. Kb3 {0.11/26 0 (Qf1+)} N6c5+ {
0.11/26 0} 46. Kb4 {0.11/28 0} Nd5+ {0.11/25 0 (Nd3+)} 47. Kc4 {0.11/28 2} Ndf6
{0.11/28 0} 48. Kb5 {0.11/27 0 (Qh2)} Ne6 {0.11/25 0} 49. Qf1+ {0.11/28 0} Nf4
{0.11/27 0} 50. Kb4 {0.11/24 0 (Qh1)} N6d5+ {0.11/23 0} 51. Ka3 {0.11/27 0} Ke5
{0.11/26 0} 52. Qa1+ {0.11/27 0} Kf5 {0.11/27 0} 53. Qh8 {0.11/28 0} Ne6 {0.11/
26 0} 54. Qh7+ {0.11/25 0 (Qh5+)} Ke5 {0.11/25 0} 55. Qh5+ {0.11/25 0} Kd4 {0.
11/26 0} 56. Qd1+ {0.11/25 1} Ke5 {0.11/25 0} 57. Qa1+ {0.11/25 0} Kf5 {0.11/
25 0} 58. Qh8 {0.11/26 0} Ndf4 {0.11/22 0} 59. Qh7+ {0.11/25 0} Ke5 {0.11/25 0}
60. Kb4 {0.11/25 0} Nd5+ {0.11/18 0} 61. Kc4 {0.11/25 0} Nd6+ {0.11/24 0} 62.
Kd3 {0.11/25 0} Nf6 {0.11/23 0} 63. Qh2+ {0.11/25 0} Nf4+ {0.11/26 0} 64. Kc2 {
0.11/28 1} Nde4 {0.11/25 0} 65. Qg1 {0.11/27 0} Ne6 {0.11/26 0} 66. Qa1+ {0.11/
26 0} Kf5 {0.11/27 0} 67. Qb1 {0.11/27 0 (Kb3)} Nd4+ {0.11/17 0 (N6c5)} 68. Kb2
{0.11/23 0} Ke5 {0.11/22 0} 69. Qg1 {0.11/23 0} Ne6 {0.11/22 0} 70. Kb3 {0.11/
24 0} N6c5+ {0.11/24 0} 71. Kb4 {0.11/25 0} Nd3+ {0.11/24 0} 72. Kc4 {0.11/25 0
} Nb2+ {0.11/24 0} 73. Kb3 {0.11/23 0 (Kb5)} Nd3 {0.11/23 0} 74. Qa1+ {0.11/24
0} Kf5 {0.11/25 0} 75. Qf1+ {0.11/22 0 (Kc2)} Ke5 {0.11/22 0} 76. Kc2 {0.11/23
0} Ndc5 {0.11/22 0 (Nb4+)} 77. Qa1+ {0.11/22 1} Kf4 {0.11/16 0} 78. Kb2 {0.11/
20 0 (Qa8)} Kf5 {0.11/19 0 (Ke5)} 79. Ka3 {0.11/18 0} Nd5 {0.11/17 0} 80. Qd1 {
0.04/19 1} Nf4 {0.04/13 0} 81. Qh1 {0.00/16 0 (Kb4)} Nfd3 {0.00/16 0 (Ke5)} 82.
Qh5+ {0.00/19 0} Kf4 {0.00/20 0} 83. Qd1 {0.00/21 0 (Qh2+)} 1/2-1/2

[Event "Shootout (Stockfish864POPCNT, Blitz 1m)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2nnknn1/3nnn2/8/8/8/8/8/2QQKQ2 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "170"]

1. Qf2 {7.37/15 6} Ngf6 {6.62/17 4} 2. Qg1 {6.16/15 2 (Qa4)} Ncd6 {5.93/18 4
(Nfe6)} 3. Kf1 {5.65/17 2} Nfe6 {5.03/17 2} 4. Qb3 {4.75/16 3 (Qa3)} Nde4 {4.
34/16 2} 5. Qh3 {4.27/15 1} Ned5 {4.25/19 2} 6. Qc2 {4.23/16 0 (Qb2)} Nef4 {4.
04/19 1} 7. Qa3 {4.00/18 1} Nec3 {3.95/20 2} 8. Qcf2 {4.07/18 0} Nde5 {3.90/21
1} 9. Qg7 {3.85/19 1} Nfe6 {3.82/22 2} 10. Qfxf6 {3.89/19 0 (Qgxf6)} Nxf6 {3.
83/21 1} 11. Qxf6 {3.77/19 1} Nd5 {3.70/19 1} 12. Qf5 {3.79/20 2} Nef4 {3.58/
22 2} 13. Kg1 {3.58/20 1 (Qa7)} Nde6 {3.28/20 2} 14. Qc2 {3.43/19 1 (Qe4)} Nfg5
{3.08/21 1} 15. Qa7 {3.08/22 1} Ndc7 {3.08/24 1} 16. Qf5 {3.08/24 1 (Qaa4+)}
Ned3 {3.08/26 2} 17. Qb8+ {3.08/23 0 (Qf6)} Kd7 {3.08/27 3} 18. Qb6 {2.93/25 4}
Ncd5 {2.86/26 4} 19. Qa7+ {2.79/19 0} Kd6 {2.79/24 1} 20. Kh1 {2.79/24 1 (Qa6+)
} Nf3 {2.53/25 4} 21. Qff7 {1.83/18 1 (Qe4)} Ke5 {1.81/19 1} 22. Qh7 {0.60/18 1
} Nec5 {0.37/20 1} 23. Qa1+ {0.29/20 1} Kd6 {0.32/22 1} 24. Qh6+ {0.27/20 1}
Nce6 {0.27/23 1} 25. Qf1 {0.27/23 2} Nd2 {0.25/21 1} 26. Qg1 {0.23/21 0} Ne4 {
0.20/22 2} 27. Qa1 {0.19/22 2} Ndf2+ {0.18/21 1} 28. Kg1 {0.16/22 1} Ne2+ {0.
16/22 1} 29. Kf1 {0.16/21 0} N2g3+ {0.16/21 1} 30. Kg2 {0.16/23 1} Ndf4+ {0.16/
23 1} 31. Kf3 {0.16/24 2} Nge2 {0.16/24 0} 32. Qa3+ {0.15/21 1 (Qag7)} Kd5 {0.
15/22 1} 33. Qa8+ {0.15/22 1} Kc4 {0.15/21 0} 34. Qc8+ {0.15/18 0 (Qc6+)} Kb4 {
0.12/19 0} 35. Qb7+ {0.14/20 1 (Qhxe6)} Kc3 {0.12/19 0 (Kc4)} 36. Qc6+ {0.12/
20 0} Kb4 {0.12/21 0} 37. Qb6+ {0.12/21 1} Kc3 {0.12/20 0} 38. Qe3+ {0.12/22 1}
Kb4 {0.12/23 0} 39. Qxe6 {0.12/23 0} Nxe6 {0.12/23 0} 40. Kxe2 {0.12/22 0} N6c5
{0.12/22 0} 41. Qd4+ {0.12/23 0} Kb5 {0.12/24 0} 42. Qa1 {0.11/24 1 (Ke3)} Nfd3
{0.11/24 0} 43. Qb1+ {0.11/20 1 (Ke3)} Kc4 {0.11/22 0} 44. Ke3 {0.11/24 0} Nc3
{0.11/24 0} 45. Qb8 {0.11/23 2} Nd5+ {0.11/19 0} 46. Kf3 {0.11/20 0} Ne1+ {0.
11/19 0} 47. Kg4 {0.11/21 0} Ned3 {0.11/21 0} 48. Kf5 {0.11/22 0} Ne3+ {0.11/
22 0} 49. Kg6 {0.11/23 0} Nd5 {0.11/22 0} 50. Qh2 {0.11/22 1} Kd4 {0.11/20 0}
51. Qg1+ {0.11/22 2} Kc4 {0.11/15 0 (Kc3)} 52. Qa1 {0.11/20 0} Ne4 {0.11/19 0}
53. Qa4+ {0.11/21 0} N3b4 {0.11/22 0} 54. Kf5 {0.11/21 0} Nc5 {0.11/21 0} 55.
Qa8 {0.11/20 0} Ne3+ {0.11/18 0 (Nbd3)} 56. Kf4 {0.09/19 0} Ned5+ {0.09/19 0}
57. Ke5 {0.09/22 0} Nbd3+ {0.09/21 0} 58. Kf5 {0.09/22 0} Ne3+ {0.09/21 0} 59.
Kg5 {0.09/23 0} Nb4 {0.09/23 0} 60. Qa1 {0.09/20 0 (Kh6)} Nbd5 {0.09/19 0} 61.
Kg6 {0.09/22 0 (Qa2+)} Nc3 {0.09/19 0 (Kd3)} 62. Qa7 {0.09/22 0} Ned5 {0.09/20
0 (Kd4)} 63. Kf5 {0.09/22 0} Ne3+ {0.09/22 0} 64. Kf4 {0.09/23 0} Ned5+ {0.09/
23 0} 65. Ke5 {0.10/23 0 (Kf3)} Nd3+ {0.10/22 0} 66. Kf5 {0.09/22 0} Nc5 {0.09/
21 0} 67. Qf7 {0.09/20 0} Ne2 {0.09/19 0} 68. Qg8 {0.09/20 0} Nd4+ {0.09/19 0}
69. Kg4 {0.09/21 0} Nb5 {0.09/19 0} 70. Kf3 {0.09/23 0} Nbc3 {0.09/23 0} 71.
Qg4+ {0.09/24 0} Kd3 {0.09/25 0} 72. Qg1 {0.09/25 0} Kc4 {0.09/23 0} 73. Qa1 {
0.09/25 0} Nd3 {0.09/24 0} 74. Qa6+ {0.09/24 0} Kd4 {0.09/23 0} 75. Qa7+ {0.09/
24 0} Kc4 {0.09/24 0} 76. Qa1 {0.09/19 0 (Kg4)} Nc5 {0.09/20 0} 77. Kg4 {0.09/
22 0 (Qg1)} Nd3 {0.09/14 0 (N5e4)} 78. Qa6+ {0.09/13 0 (Qg1)} Kd4 {0.08/16 0}
79. Kf5 {0.09/16 0 (Kf3)} Nc5 {0.08/14 0 (Ne3+)} 80. Qa1 {0.08/15 0 (Qa8)} Ne3+
{0.08/13 0} 81. Kf6 {0.08/13 0} Kd3 {0.09/12 0} 82. Qa7 {0.08/14 0 (Ke5)} Ned5+
{0.08/13 0 (N5e4+)} 83. Ke5 {0.01/14 0 (Kf7)} Kc4 {0.00/14 0} 84. Qa1 {0.00/17
0 (Qf7)} Nd3+ {0.00/19 0} 85. Kf5 {0.00/23 0} Ne3+ {0.00/23 0} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

very obviously, any claims the knights are stronger are simply incorrect.

any specific game results with this imbalance would be only due to engine lack of knowledge, or specific biassed positions.

as simple as that.

You are wrong. When there are no pawns such as the position above, modified Rodent as Black will not allow Q for 2N trades. At least not when the time control is 5' + 3". It wins against everybody, including against itself.

The only positions where 7N (modified Rodent) consistently loses against 3Q (Komodo) are those with disconnected pawns and large pawn spans. The greater mobility of the queens allows pressure to quickly swing from one side to the other side. This allows Komodo to eventually promote a pawn to a queen and gain the edge.

please, post some games.

did you try modified SF vs modified SF, as tactics are very important here and Rodent, just as Queeny, is a relatively unstrong engine.

no one can convince me knights win here, this is a simple draw.

it does not also matter what the parameter is, good search should see the draw pretty easily.

I was wrong. Nightfish is able to convert this K3QK7N position to KQKNN against Rodent.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

it is written Schnarnagl, and not Scharnagle.

Hilarious. Even on simple matters like spelling you do not manage to say something that is correct even a single time.

this is not a good starting position, as knights are fully developed.

why have the queens on the 1st rank, and most of the knights already on the 3rd, where they could easily check the enemy king and fork?

"fully developed" would be in the center. So I would say they are only "half-developed" The Queens are on open files and diagonals, however, which also counts as fully developed. (And they have the first move as well.) So it seems the Queens are already positionally favored, and you want to favor them even more.

Apparently your claim only applies to positions with hanging Knights that will immediate get lost due to shallow tactics. But in normal terminology these do not even count as 3Q-7N positions. Only quiet positions would.

But if you are willing to conceed that my (or Arpad's) position is a win for the Knight, I don't think there is much to discuss. The position you started from is not tactically quiet: 6 of the 7 Knight are only singly protected. So of course the Queens, also having the first move advantage, can immediately gobble up some, if there is no Pawn shield. So the position is really a 2Q-5N position, and any results from it have no bearing on the 3Q-7N problem.

are your broadcast problems going to stop sometime?

I did have severe internet problems yesterday (router going dead all the time, and needing reset), and I am starting to worry that this is related to the broadcast. So for now I stopped that, to test if the problems disappear.

I decided to pass, as it does not make any sense to discuss from some point onward, the thread has gorwn too long and unreadable and people are basically sticking to their guns.

but here you already overdo it.

a normal starting position would be one where most, if not all pieces for both sides are on their home rank, that would make rank 2 for pawns, rank 1 for pieces, and your position sets up most black knights on ranks 2 and 3.

that is certainly unacceptable from any point of view.

you are allowed to change things a bit, but only to avoid immediate tactical solutions, and my position with knihgts on ranks 1 and 2 is quite acceptable, while yours is really over-lop-sided.

again, no one disputes the value of the imbalance term, but I claim your numbers are way too high.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

it is written Schnarnagl, and not Scharnagle.

Hilarious. Even on simple matters like spelling you do not manage to say something that is correct even a single time.

Yeah, but of course he's half right in this case. Scharnagl is just a really complicated name.

happy he is not called Schnurrrbarrt.

[hgm]

a normal starting position would be one where most, if not all pieces for both sides are on their home rank, that would make rank 2 for pawns, rank 1 for pieces, and your position sets up most black knights on ranks 2 and 3.

Yeah, you would like that, wouldn't you? All those hanging Knights on the back rank, with the Queens having the first move and already attacking them, so that 3 or 4 of them are already gone before you get the chance to move them... How stupid do you think any readers here can be?

As you already acknowledge, 'normal' positions are positions where the 2nd rank consists of Pawns. Take away the Pawns, and the position is no longer normal. The pieces are under attack already in the initial position, and thus need to be protected. Unfortunately Knights cannot protect each other while on the same rank. And you cannot get all Knights twice protected when they are just on 1st and 2nd rank.

that is certainly unacceptable from any point of view.

Unacceptable from any POV you can imagine. I.e. just your POV, shared by no sentient being.

you are allowed to change things a bit, but only to avoid immediate tactical solutions, and my position with knihgts on ranks 1 and 2 is quite acceptable, while yours is really over-lop-sided.

As long as some of the Knights are not twice protected, it is not quiet w.r.t. Q-for-2N trades, and thus not acceptable as a starting position for seeing how 7N fare against 3Q. You proved yourself that white can forcibly trade Q-for-2N in just a few moves. Only when the Knights get a reasonable number of moves to erase the memory of the initial position (say some 10 moves) without being traded away, you can claim that any unwanted trading is intrinsic to the material composition, and not due to a choice of a non-quiet initial position unfavorable for them.

[Uri Blass]

a normal starting position would be one where most, if not all pieces for both sides are on their home rank, that would make rank 2 for pawns, rank 1 for pieces, and your position sets up most black knights on ranks 2 and 3.

Yeah, you would like that, wouldn't you? All those hanging Knights on the back rank, with the Queens having the first move and already attacking them, so that 3 or 4 of them are already gone before you get the chance to move them... How stupid do you think any readers here can be?

As you already acknowledge, 'normal' positions are positions where the 2nd rank consists of Pawns. Take away the Pawns, and the position is no longer normal. The pieces are under attack already in the initial position, and thus need to be protected. Unfortunately Knights cannot protect each other while on the same rank. And you cannot get all Knights twice protected when they are just on 1st and 2nd rank.

that is certainly unacceptable from any point of view.

Unacceptable from any POV you can imagine. I.e. just your POV, shared by no sentient being.

you are allowed to change things a bit, but only to avoid immediate tactical solutions, and my position with knihgts on ranks 1 and 2 is quite acceptable, while yours is really over-lop-sided.

As long as some of the Knights are not twice protected, it is not quiet w.r.t. Q-for-2N trades, and thus not acceptable as a starting position for seeing how 7N fare against 3Q. You proved yourself that white can forcibly trade Q-for-2N in just a few moves. Only when the Knights get a reasonable number of moves to erase the memory of the initial position (say some 10 moves) without being traded away, you can claim that any unwanted trading is intrinsic to the material composition, and not due to a choice of a non-quiet initial position unfavorable for them.

Or maybe it is possible to change the rules and say that you choose a random position but the queen and the knights are not allowed to capture in the first 10 moves.

It lead me to wonder what is the reduction in the value of the piece if the piece is not allowed to capture in the first 10 moves in chess.

Not that I guess that the value of a queen that is not allowed to capture pieces for all the game is less than a pawn.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

a normal starting position would be one where most, if not all pieces for both sides are on their home rank, that would make rank 2 for pawns, rank 1 for pieces, and your position sets up most black knights on ranks 2 and 3.

Yeah, you would like that, wouldn't you? All those hanging Knights on the back rank, with the Queens having the first move and already attacking them, so that 3 or 4 of them are already gone before you get the chance to move them... How stupid do you think any readers here can be?

As you already acknowledge, 'normal' positions are positions where the 2nd rank consists of Pawns. Take away the Pawns, and the position is no longer normal. The pieces are under attack already in the initial position, and thus need to be protected. Unfortunately Knights cannot protect each other while on the same rank. And you cannot get all Knights twice protected when they are just on 1st and 2nd rank.

that is certainly unacceptable from any point of view.

Unacceptable from any POV you can imagine. I.e. just your POV, shared by no sentient being.

you are allowed to change things a bit, but only to avoid immediate tactical solutions, and my position with knihgts on ranks 1 and 2 is quite acceptable, while yours is really over-lop-sided.

As long as some of the Knights are not twice protected, it is not quiet w.r.t. Q-for-2N trades, and thus not acceptable as a starting position for seeing how 7N fare against 3Q. You proved yourself that white can forcibly trade Q-for-2N in just a few moves. Only when the Knights get a reasonable number of moves to erase the memory of the initial position (say some 10 moves) without being traded away, you can claim that any unwanted trading is intrinsic to the material composition, and not due to a choice of a non-quiet initial position unfavorable for them.

typical Scharschnar attitude...

[Uri Blass]

a normal starting position would be one where most, if not all pieces for both sides are on their home rank, that would make rank 2 for pawns, rank 1 for pieces, and your position sets up most black knights on ranks 2 and 3.

Yeah, you would like that, wouldn't you? All those hanging Knights on the back rank, with the Queens having the first move and already attacking them, so that 3 or 4 of them are already gone before you get the chance to move them... How stupid do you think any readers here can be?

As you already acknowledge, 'normal' positions are positions where the 2nd rank consists of Pawns. Take away the Pawns, and the position is no longer normal. The pieces are under attack already in the initial position, and thus need to be protected. Unfortunately Knights cannot protect each other while on the same rank. And you cannot get all Knights twice protected when they are just on 1st and 2nd rank.

that is certainly unacceptable from any point of view.

Unacceptable from any POV you can imagine. I.e. just your POV, shared by no sentient being.

you are allowed to change things a bit, but only to avoid immediate tactical solutions, and my position with knihgts on ranks 1 and 2 is quite acceptable, while yours is really over-lop-sided.

As long as some of the Knights are not twice protected, it is not quiet w.r.t. Q-for-2N trades, and thus not acceptable as a starting position for seeing how 7N fare against 3Q. You proved yourself that white can forcibly trade Q-for-2N in just a few moves. Only when the Knights get a reasonable number of moves to erase the memory of the initial position (say some 10 moves) without being traded away, you can claim that any unwanted trading is intrinsic to the material composition, and not due to a choice of a non-quiet initial position unfavorable for them.

Or maybe it is possible to change the rules and say that you choose a random position but the queen and the knights are not allowed to capture in the first 10 moves.

It lead me to wonder what is the reduction in the value of the piece if the piece is not allowed to capture in the first 10 moves in chess.

Not that I guess that the value of a queen that is not allowed to capture pieces for all the game is less than a pawn.

should be "Note that I guess..."

[hgm]

Well, I am not so sure. For the few divergent pieces I did measure their value was 2/3 times the piece of which it had the captures, plus 1/3 of the piece it had the non-captures from. If a piece without moves would have value 0, that still would leave 3 for a non-capturing Queen. But having no captures at all is of course a quite extreme case, so the extrapolation might not apply.

It would allow you to draw against a Rook, however. Or block passers. And could be used to hide behind in the middle game, as it isn't worth very much.

[Teemu Pudas]

Can the queen still threaten the king?

Stockfish vs. Stockfish; captures by queens aren't generated and the material value of a queen is set to equal that of a pawn (I didn't touch the material imbalance table, however).

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2017.07.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 210717 64 BMI2"]
[Black "Stockfish 210717 64 BMI2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "169"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]

1. Nc3 {+0.39/15 0.41s} Nf6 {-0.46/14 0.46s} 2. d4 {+0.46/15 0.37s}
d5 {-0.23/13 0.13s} 3. Bg5 {+0.11/17 0.92s} c6 {-0.08/14 0.12s}
4. e3 {+0.04/18 0.21s} h6 {-0.10/16 0.17s} 5. Bh4 {+0.12/16 0.036s}
Bf5 {-0.14/16 0.030s} 6. Bd3 {+0.06/17 0.25s} Bxd3 {-0.10/17 0.18s}
7. cxd3 {+0.11/15 0.025s} Nbd7 {-0.08/14 0.035s} 8. h3 {+0.22/16 0.50s}
g5 {-0.10/16 0.26s} 9. Bg3 {+0.14/17 0.21s} e6 {-0.08/17 0.19s}
10. Nf3 {+0.14/16 0.15s} Be7 {-0.14/14 0.068s} 11. Ke2 {+0.04/15 0.53s}
O-O {-0.18/15 0.28s} 12. Rc1 {+0.14/14 0.31s} Rc8 {-0.11/14 0.48s}
13. Na4 {+0.22/13 0.12s} Re8 {-0.16/15 0.43s} 14. Be5 {+0.21/14 0.18s}
b6 {-0.12/15 0.27s} 15. a3 {+0.29/13 0.21s} Nh7 {-0.01/14 0.13s}
16. Bg3 {+0.29/13 0.21s} Nhf8 {+0.02/16 0.24s} 17. Nc3 {+0.08/17 0.71s}
a6 {+0.05/13 0.045s} 18. Na2 {+0.19/16 0.21s} a5 {-0.14/17 0.36s}
19. Nc3 {-0.02/15 0.30s} Qc7 {-0.04/16 0.24s} 20. h4 {-0.02/14 0.11s}
g4 {+0.02/15 0.043s} 21. Ne5 {+0.23/14 0.15s} Nxe5 {-0.25/18 0.82s}
22. Bxe5 {-0.02/12 0.033s} Nd7 {0.00/15 0.20s} 23. Bf4 {-0.04/16 0.48s}
Kh7 {-0.05/16 0.20s} 24. h5 {0.00/15 0.13s} Qb7 {0.00/15 0.34s}
25. Qc2 {-0.16/16 0.92s} Red8 {0.00/16 0.24s} 26. Nb1 {0.00/13 0.072s}
Bf6 {0.00/16 0.21s} 27. Nc3 {-0.10/15 0.41s} Be7 {0.00/17 0.18s}
28. Rb1 {0.00/14 0.29s} Rg8 {0.00/17 0.31s} 29. Qd2 {0.00/12 0.25s}
b5 {+0.02/15 0.20s} 30. Rbc1 {-0.37/14 0.39s} Qa6 {+0.11/16 0.26s}
31. Ra1 {-0.08/12 0.079s} Ra8 {0.00/17 0.53s} 32. Bc7 {-0.10/13 0.094s}
Qb7 {+0.07/17 0.87s} 33. Bg3 {0.00/12 0.048s} f5 {+0.02/15 0.18s}
34. Qc2 {+0.01/12 0.086s} Kg7 {+0.06/15 0.34s} 35. Nb1 {+0.20/12 0.032s}
Rgc8 {0.00/14 0.15s} 36. Nd2 {-0.03/13 0.17s} Kf7 {0.00/15 0.16s}
37. Bf4 {+0.29/12 0.083s} c5 {+0.63/12 0.064s} 38. dxc5 {-0.24/12 0.10s}
e5 {+0.58/13 0.20s} 39. Bg3 {-0.72/12 0.073s} Bxc5 {+0.68/13 0.18s}
40. Rhc1 {-0.62/11 0.045s} Qc6 {+0.89/11 0.082s} 41. f3 {-0.69/15 1.1s}
Bxe3 {+1.04/14 0.56s} 42. Kxe3 {-1.16/14 0.55s} f4+ {+0.62/15 1.4s}
43. Kf2 {-0.65/16 0.97s} fxg3+ {+0.83/15 0.54s} 44. Kxg3 {-0.43/14 0.14s}
Qd6 {+0.25/16 0.87s} 45. fxg4 {-0.29/14 0.27s} Nc5 {+0.85/15 0.10s}
46. Kh3 {-0.58/13 0.091s} Nxd3 {+0.77/17 1.2s} 47. Qc7+ {-0.45/15 0.85s}
Qe7 {+0.83/14 0.091s} 48. Rc2 {-0.75/15 0.33s} Kg8 {+0.75/12 0.29s}
49. Nf3 {-0.01/12 0.17s} Ra7 {-0.07/16 1.2s} 50. Qc6 {+0.10/17 0.41s}
Rf8 {0.00/14 0.27s} 51. Qg6+ {+0.64/12 0.16s} Qg7 {-0.72/15 0.45s}
52. Nh4 {+1.11/12 0.099s} Kh8 {-0.60/13 0.24s} 53. Qf5 {+1.22/14 0.33s}
Kg8 {-0.97/14 0.51s} 54. Rf1 {+1.12/16 0.36s} Raf7 {-1.44/14 0.18s}
55. g3 {+1.73/14 0.23s} Qf6 {-1.92/14 0.12s} 56. Ng6 {+1.28/15 0.26s}
Re8 {-1.81/12 0.017s} 57. Rd1 {+1.65/13 0.028s} e4 {-1.48/14 0.34s}
58. Nf4 {+1.72/14 0.13s} Nxf4+ {-2.00/13 0.28s} 59. gxf4 {+1.92/14 0.12s}
e3 {-1.17/12 0.072s} 60. Re2 {+1.83/12 0.025s} Rd7 {-1.70/13 0.13s}
61. Rd4 {+1.08/15 0.49s} a4 {-1.25/13 0.14s} 62. g5 {+1.78/14 0.19s}
hxg5 {-1.31/13 0.12s} 63. fxg5 {+1.87/15 0.37s} Qe5 {-1.08/11 0.007s}
64. h6 {+2.56/12 0.073s} Qe4 {-0.40/11 0.028s} 65. g6 {+3.12/15 0.45s}
Qf3+ {-1.69/11 0.061s} 66. Kh4 {+2.68/17 0.39s} Qe4+ {-2.92/12 0.16s}
67. Kg3 {+2.63/14 0.014s} Qe5+ {-2.39/9 0.025s} 68. Kg2 {+4.20/16 0.43s}
Qe4+ {-2.17/10 0.048s} 69. Kh2 {+4.57/13 0.061s} Qe5+ {-1.75/10 0.021s}
70. Rf4 {+6.22/14 0.075s} Qf6 {-1.12/10 0.037s} 71. g7 {+6.50/13 0.064s}
Rxg7 {-5.57/13 0.12s} 72. hxg7 {+6.42/13 0.022s} Re4 {-6.46/12 0.081s}
73. Rxe4 {+6.81/13 0.036s} dxe4 {-6.68/14 0.061s} 74. Rxe3 {+6.88/12 0.014s}
Qh6+ {-6.79/13 0.031s} 75. Kg2 {+8.08/14 0.065s} Qg5+ {-7.20/13 0.046s}
76. Kf2 {+8.28/14 0.015s} Qf4+ {-10.00/12 0.040s} 77. Ke1 {+M25/20 0.058s}
Qh4+ {-M26/17 0.035s} 78. Kd2 {+M15/23 0.10s} Qh2+ {-7.80/11 0.036s}
79. Kc1 {+M13/29 0.15s} Qg1+ {-M12/18 0.036s} 80. Kc2 {+M11/35 0.21s}
Qf2+ {-M10/19 0.010s} 81. Kc3 {+M9/44 0.29s} b4+ {-M8/39 0.32s}
82. axb4 {+M7/44 0.056s} Qd2+ {-M6/45 0.39s} 83. Kxd2 {+M5/118 2.4s}
a3 {-M4/127 0.047s} 84. Qf8+ {+M3/127 0.007s} Kh7 {-M2/1 0s}
85. g8=Q# {+M1/127 0.004s, White mates} 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2017.07.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Stockfish 210717 64 BMI2"]
[Black "Stockfish 210717 64 BMI2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "rnb1kbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPP1/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "97"]
[SetUp "1"]
[TimeControl "40/10"]

1. Nc3 {+1.44/15 0.37s} Nc6 {-1.02/15 0.50s} 2. Nb5 {+1.07/17 0.61s}
Nb4 {-0.73/15 0.16s} 3. Nd4 {+0.95/17 0.71s} Nf6 {-0.88/16 0.38s}
4. a3 {+0.83/16 0.41s} Na6 {-0.89/17 0.44s} 5. Ndf3 {+0.86/16 0.17s}
d6 {-0.79/14 0.051s} 6. d4 {+0.87/14 0.056s} c6 {-0.89/17 0.66s}
7. e3 {+1.02/15 0.27s} Nc7 {-1.09/16 0.37s} 8. Bd3 {+0.98/14 0.19s}
g6 {-0.98/15 0.41s} 9. e4 {+0.97/15 0.29s} Bg7 {-1.08/15 0.36s}
10. c3 {+1.03/13 0.076s} Ng4 {-0.97/14 0.24s} 11. Ne2 {+1.07/13 0.13s}
h5 {-1.16/15 0.42s} 12. Nd2 {+1.08/13 0.28s} Nf6 {-1.25/15 0.26s}
13. f3 {+1.20/15 0.14s} h4 {-1.07/15 0.41s} 14. Nc4 {+0.98/17 0.38s}
h3 {-1.08/16 0.38s} 15. Kf2 {+1.04/15 0.11s} hxg2 {-1.08/14 0.052s}
16. Rxh8+ {+1.14/15 0.11s} Bxh8 {-1.10/15 0.23s} 17. Kxg2 {+1.10/14 0.049s}
Bg7 {-1.00/15 0.093s} 18. Be3 {+1.15/15 0.20s} Bd7 {-1.07/15 0.22s}
19. Qb3 {+1.18/12 0.038s} b5 {-1.18/15 0.29s} 20. Na5 {+1.26/14 0.21s}
Ne6 {-1.25/16 0.33s} 21. Rh1 {+1.19/15 0.50s} a6 {-1.17/17 0.45s}
22. Qc2 {+1.37/15 0.26s} Rc8 {-1.29/16 0.60s} 23. c4 {+1.34/16 0.39s}
c5 {-1.52/16 0.53s} 24. d5 {+1.35/16 0.15s} Nc7 {-1.40/14 0.14s}
25. Qd2 {+1.54/15 0.38s} Kf8 {-1.56/14 0.24s} 26. Nc6 {+1.50/14 0.20s}
e6 {-1.43/14 0.20s} 27. Bh6 {+1.37/15 0.38s} Bxh6 {-1.36/14 0.15s}
28. Rxh6 {+1.55/13 0.11s} Kg7 {-1.50/12 0.027s} 29. Rh1 {+1.11/16 1.00s}
g5 {-1.00/13 0.050s} 30. Na5 {+1.16/16 0.22s} Rh8 {-1.13/16 0.21s}
31. Rxh8 {+1.08/13 0.029s} Kxh8 {-1.28/15 0.24s} 32. Nb7 {+1.32/15 0.12s}
exd5 {-1.43/17 0.25s} 33. exd5 {+1.25/15 0.23s} bxc4 {-1.41/15 0.066s}
34. Bxc4 {+1.47/14 0.025s} Nfxd5 {-1.55/16 0.11s} 35. Kf2 {+1.52/16 0.12s}
Bb5 {-1.55/15 0.014s} 36. Bxd5 {+1.56/16 0.094s} Nxd5 {-1.68/15 0.060s}
37. Nxd6 {+1.67/15 0.062s} Kg7 {-1.58/14 0.057s} 38. Ng3 {+1.87/15 0.10s}
f6 {-1.61/14 0.11s} 39. Nge4 {+2.44/16 0.33s} c4 {-2.17/12 0.074s}
40. Qd4 {+2.69/15 0.20s} Kg6 {-2.26/13 0.063s} 41. Nc5 {+3.42/16 0.23s}
Ne7 {-3.41/19 0.79s} 42. Qe4+ {+5.39/15 0.18s} Kg7 {-7.97/24 2.1s}
43. Qe6 {+M19/18 0.17s} Kh6 {-M14/25 0.41s} 44. Qh3+ {+M11/33 0.23s}
Kg7 {-M10/36 0.19s} 45. Ne6+ {+M9/35 0.059s} Kg8 {-M8/37 0.034s}
46. Qh6 {+M7/46 0.26s} Nf5 {-M6/43 0.20s} 47. Nxf5 {+M5/46 0.052s}
Kf7 {-M4/43 0.058s} 48. Nc7 {+M3/50 0.28s} c3 {-M2/47 0.20s}
49. Qg7# {+M1/127 0.006s, White mates} 1-0

[Uri Blass]

[d]nnnnknnn/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/1Q1QK1Q1 w

Score around +8.5 in a lost position.

[Moderation] This was originally posted in another thread, but because the following discussion was too much off-topic there, it was split off.

Here is another position
It seems knight wins the queens by tactics based on stockfish analysis
22.81/1
22.81/2
19.72/3
19.53/4
19.53/5
19.20/6
16.20/7
16.20/8
15.96/9
15.87/10
15.76/11
15.52/12
12.78/13
12.43/14
12.08/15
11.54/16
11.05/17
10.83/18
11.10/19
9.72/20
8.50/21
8.27/22
8.03/23
7.84/24
5.64/25
5.06/26
4.97/27
3.02/28

[D]2nnkn2/2nnnn2/2nnnn2/2nnnn2/8/8/8/QQQQKQQQ w - - 0 1

Stockfish_17072402_x64_modern:
1/1 00:00 1k 560k +22.81 1.Qcd2 Ncb6
2/2 00:00 1k 688k +22.81 1.Qcd2 Ncb6
3/5 00:00 5k 1,557k +19.72 1.Qab2 Ncd3+ 2.Qbxd3 Nxd3+ 3.Qfxd3
4/6 00:00 6k 2,026k +19.53 1.Qab2 Ncd3+ 2.Qbxd3 Nxd3+ 3.Qfxd3 Ncd4
5/7 00:00 8k 1,964k +19.53 1.Qcc2 Ncd4 2.Qcd2 Ncd3+ 3.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 4.Qbxd3
6/8 00:00 14k 2,885k +19.20 1.Qbc2 Ned3+ 2.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 3.Qfxd3 Ncd4 4.Qc2b2 Nfe5
7/13 00:00 31k 3,478k +16.20 1.Ke2 Ncd4+ 2.Kf2 Ned3+ 3.Qbxd3 Nxd3+ 4.Qdxd3 Nfe4+ 5.Kg2 Nde3+ 6.Qgxe3 Nxe3+ 7.Qcxe3
8/14 00:00 41k 3,384k +16.20 1.Qhh3 Nfe3 2.Qhxe3 Nxe3 3.Qgxe3 Ncd3+ 4.Qbxd3 Nxd3+ 5.Qfxd3 Nfe5
9/16 00:00 99k 3,659k +15.96 1.Qhh3 Nfe3 2.Qhxe3 Nxe3 3.Qcxe3 Ncd3+ 4.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 5.Qexd3 Nfe5 6.Qd3c2
10/18 00:00 195k 3,425k +15.87 1.Qcd2 Ned3+ 2.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 3.Qfxd3 Nce5 4.Qd3b3 Ned4 5.Qba4 Ndf3+ 6.Qdxf3 Nxf3+ 7.Qxf3 Nfe4 8.Qac2
11/19 00:00 220k 3,392k +15.76 1.Qcd2 Ned3+ 2.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 3.Qdxd3 Nef4 4.Qd2 Nfe5 5.Qff2 Nfd3+ 6.Qbxd3 Nxd3+ 7.Qxd3 Nfe4 8.Qh5+ Nfg6
12/22 00:00 454k 3,692k +15.52 1.Qcd2 Ned3+ 2.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 3.Qbxd3 Nfe5 4.Qdh3 Nef4 5.Qha3 Nfd3+ 6.Kf1 Nfe3+ 7.Qgxe3 Nxe3+ 8.Qxe3 Nfe6 9.Kg1 Ncd5
13/28 00:00 1,824k 4,175k +12.78 1.Qca3 Ncd3+ 2.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 3.Qbxd3 Nfe5 4.Qdf1 Nef4 5.Qda4 Ned3+ 6.Qaxd3 Nxd3+ 7.Qxd3 Nfe4 8.Qhh2 Neg3 9.Qa4d1 Ncd4
14/21 00:00 3,002k 4,051k +12.43 1.Qaa3 Nef4 2.Qfxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd3+ 4.Qbxd3 Nxd3+ 5.Qaxd3 Nfe5 6.Qdh3 Ncd4 7.Kf1 Nef3 8.Qdxf3 Nxf3 9.Qh1xf3 Nfe6
15/31 00:01 4,883k 4,107k +12.08 1.Qdc2 Ncd4 2.Q2d2 Ncd3+ 3.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 4.Qdxd3 Nfe5 5.Qdd1 Ndf3+ 6.Qdxf3 Nxf3+ 7.Qxf3 Ned4 8.Qfa3 Nde3 9.Qcxe3 Nxe3 10.Qgxe3 Nfe6 11.Qbc1
16/31 00:01 7,029k 4,169k +11.54 1.Qaa3 Nef4 2.Qcxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ned3+ 4.Qbxd3 Nxd3+ 5.Qdxd3 Nfe5 6.Qdh3 Ncd4 7.Qgh2 Ndf3+ 8.Qfxf3 Nxf3+ 9.Qh1xf3 Nfe6 10.Qc1 Ncd5 11.Qfe2 Ned4 12.Qh8+ Kf7
17/33 00:02 9,402k 4,214k +11.05 1.Qaa3 Nef4 2.Qcxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ned3+ 4.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 5.Qbxd3 Nfe5 6.Qdh3 Ncd4 7.Qac1 Ncd5 8.Qff2 Ndf3+ 9.Qh1xf3 Nxf3+ 10.Qfxf3 Nde6 11.Qh8 Nde3
18/33- 00:03 13,464k 4,175k +10.54 1.Qcd2 Nef4
18/33+ 00:03 13,827k 4,172k +11.07 1.Qaa3
18/36 00:04 17,426k 4,158k +10.83 1.Qab2 Nef4 2.Qcxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd3+ 4.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 5.Qxd3 Nfe5 6.Qdf1 Ncd4 7.Qgf2 Nef3+ 8.Qf2xf3 Nxf3+ 9.Qf1xf3 Ncd5 10.Qfh2 Nfe6 11.Qh8+ Kf7 12.Qh1h5+ Nxh5 13.Qfxh5+ Ng6 14.Q5h7+ Nfg7
19/30- 00:04 17,711k 4,158k +10.76 1.Qab2 Nef4
19/30- 00:04 18,003k 4,153k +10.69 1.Qab2 Nef4
19/34- 00:04 18,825k 4,143k +10.58 1.Qab2 Nef4
19/34- 00:04 19,543k 4,144k +10.43 1.Qab2 Nef4
19/34- 00:05 21,082k 4,148k +10.22 1.Qab2 Nef4
19/34+ 00:05 21,502k 4,148k +10.39 1.Qab2
19/40+ 00:05 22,770k 4,144k +10.79 1.Qab2
19/40+ 00:05 23,708k 4,144k +11.28 1.Qaa3
19/40- 00:06 28,637k 4,171k +9.93 1.Qaa3 Nef4
19/40+ 00:07 29,248k 4,172k +10.96 1.Qaa3
19/41 00:08 36,322k 4,174k +11.10 1.Qaa3 Nef4 2.Qcxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd3+ 4.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 5.Qaxd3 Nfe5 6.Qdh3 Ncd5 7.Qa4 Ncd4 8.Qgh2 Ndf3+ 9.Q3xf3 Nxf3+ 10.Qxf3 Nfe6 11.Qfa3 Ncb6 12.Qad1 Nfe3 13.Qh8+ Kf7 14.Qdc1 Ne7f5 15.Qbb2 Nbc4
20/30- 00:08 36,735k 4,175k +11.02 1.Qaa3 Nef4
20/30- 00:08 36,775k 4,175k +10.89 1.Qaa3 Nef4
20/30- 00:08 36,865k 4,173k +10.72 1.Qaa3 Nef4
20/30- 00:08 37,164k 4,171k +10.66 1.Qaa3 Nef4
20/30- 00:09 38,014k 4,171k +10.46 1.Qaa3 Nef4
20/30- 00:09 38,861k 4,175k +10.18 1.Qaa3 Nef4
20/30+ 00:09 39,416k 4,173k +10.41 1.Qab2
20/34- 00:10 42,594k 4,187k +9.81 1.Qab2 Nef4
20/34+ 00:10 43,495k 4,185k +10.41 1.Qab2
20/40 00:11 49,460k 4,195k +9.72 1.Qaa3 Nef4 2.Qcxf4 Ncd3+ 3.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 4.Qaxd3 Nxf4 5.Qxf4 Nfe5 6.Qa3 Ncd5 7.Qff2 Ncd4 8.Qgf1 Ndf3+ 9.Qfxf3 Nxf3+ 10.Qfxf3 Nfe6 11.Kf2 Ned4 12.Qfh3 Nfe4+ 13.Kg1 Nfg3 14.Q1g2
21/34- 00:12 51,669k 4,191k +9.65 1.Qaa3 Nef4
21/34+ 00:12 54,395k 4,196k +9.73 1.Ke2
21/34+ 00:13 55,251k 4,201k +9.85 1.Ke2
21/34+ 00:13 57,196k 4,210k +10.00 1.Ke2
21/36- 00:14 59,854k 4,213k +9.58 1.Ke2 Ncd4+
21/36+ 00:14 62,351k 4,218k +9.91 1.Ke2
21/36- 00:15 66,752k 4,228k +9.30 1.Ke2 Ncd4+
21/36+ 00:15 67,538k 4,226k +9.79 1.Ke2
21/39+ 00:16 70,986k 4,227k +10.41 1.Ke2
21/43+ 00:22 93,812k 4,254k +11.21 1.Qaa3
21/43- 00:26 110,653k 4,252k +8.81 1.Qaa3 Nef4
21/43 00:32 136,394k 4,243k +8.50 1.Qaa3 Nef4 2.Qcxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd5 4.Qff2 Ncd3+ 5.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 6.Qaxd3 Nfe5 7.Qa6 Ncd4 8.Qh3 Nd8c6 9.Qgf1 Nef3+ 10.Qfxf3 Nxf3+ 11.Qfxf3 Ncd4 12.Qf2 Ne5 13.Qa4+ Ne7c6 14.Qba1 Nde4
22/33+ 00:32 138,913k 4,239k +8.57 1.Qaa3
22/33+ 00:32 138,921k 4,239k +8.64 1.Qaa3
22/37+ 00:32 139,380k 4,239k +8.76 1.Qaa3
22/37+ 00:36 153,910k 4,239k +8.91 1.Qab2
22/37- 00:39 165,561k 4,239k +8.43 1.Qab2 Nef4
22/40+ 00:40 173,034k 4,241k +8.78 1.Qaa3
22/40+ 00:40 173,130k 4,241k +9.15 1.Qaa3
22/40- 00:50 215,025k 4,217k +8.14 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
22/41+ 00:54 229,417k 4,172k +8.89 1.Qaa3
22/41 00:56 232,901k 4,159k +8.27 1.Qaa3 Ndf4 2.Qfxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd5 4.Qff2 Ncd3+ 5.Qdxd3 Nxd3+ 6.Qaxd3 Nfe5 7.Qa6 Ncd4 8.Qgg2 Nfe3 9.Qg7 Nd8e6 10.Qgh8 Nef4 11.Qa3 Ndf3+ 12.Qhxf3 Nxf3+ 13.Qxf3 Nfg2+ 14.Kf2 Nde4+ 15.Qbxe4 Nxe4+ 16.Qxe4 Ngf4
23/34- 00:56 233,528k 4,156k +8.20 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
23/36- 00:59 244,110k 4,113k +8.12 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
23/36- 01:01 252,641k 4,088k +8.02 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
23/41+ 01:02 254,954k 4,083k +8.10 1.Qaa3
23/41 01:03 258,095k 4,078k +8.03 1.Qaa3 Ndf4 2.Qfxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd5 4.Qff1 Ned3+ 5.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 6.Qdxd3 Nfe5 7.Qdd1 Ndc4 8.Qaa1 Nfe3 9.Qe2 Ncb4 10.Qd4 Nbd3+ 11.Qexd3 Nxd3+ 12.Qdxd3 Nde5 13.Qdb3 Nf4 14.Qa8 Ned3+ 15.Q1xd3 Nxd3+ 16.Qxd3 N8d6 17.Kf2 Nfe4+ 18.Ke1
24/41- 01:06 270,665k 4,072k +7.96 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
24/41+ 01:09 281,192k 4,070k +8.03 1.Qcd2
24/41- 01:10 288,865k 4,072k +7.89 1.Qcd2 Nef4
24/41- 01:16 312,592k 4,075k +7.73 1.Qcd2 Nef4
24/43 01:20 329,777k 4,073k +7.84 1.Qaa3 Ndf4 2.Qfxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd5 4.Qfc1 Ned3+ 5.Qaxd3 Nxd3+ 6.Qdxd3 Nfe5 7.Qdh3 Ncd4 8.Kf1 Nef3 9.Q1xf3 Nxf3 10.Qxf3 Nde6 11.Qbb2 Ned4 12.Qh3 Nde3+ 13.Qhxe3 Nxe3+ 14.Qgxe3 Nfe6 15.Qea3 Kf7 16.Qh3 Ned5
25/35- 01:23 339,208k 4,073k +7.77 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
25/36- 01:27 356,175k 4,075k +7.70 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
25/41- 01:36 393,505k 4,074k +7.59 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
25/42- 01:48 440,372k 4,072k +7.43 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
25/44- 02:03 502,767k 4,068k +7.22 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
25/46+ 02:07 520,269k 4,071k +7.39 1.Qaa3
25/46- 02:26 596,650k 4,065k +6.94 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
25/46- 03:11 771,815k 4,033k +6.46 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
25/49+ 04:21 1,035,758k 3,955k +6.90 1.Ke2
25/56- 05:08 1,217,515k 3,946k +5.83 1.Ke2 Nef4+
25/56+ 05:23 1,274,747k 3,935k +6.78 1.Qaa3
25/56 06:37 1,554,211k 3,908k +5.64 1.Qaa3 Ndf4 2.Kd2 Ncd3 3.Qda4 Nxc1 4.Kxc1 Ndc4 5.Qfxc4 Nxc4 6.Qxc4 Nfe5 7.Qcf1 Ned4 8.Qbb2 Nfd3+ 9.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 10.Qxd3 Nce5 11.Qdh3 Ndf3 12.Qgf1 Nc5 13.Qc2 Ned3+ 14.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 15.Qxd3 Ne5 16.Qc2 Nb5 17.Qh1h2 Ndc6
26/34- 07:05 1,662,316k 3,906k +5.57 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
26/34- 07:14 1,699,531k 3,908k +5.50 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
26/36- 07:20 1,722,898k 3,909k +5.39 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
26/38- 08:49 2,051,569k 3,876k +5.24 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
26/38- 09:49 2,280,765k 3,869k +5.03 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
26/38+ 09:53 2,296,196k 3,870k +5.20 1.Qaa3
26/38+ 09:53 2,297,058k 3,870k +5.58 1.Qaa3
26/40 10:37 2,468,870k 3,872k +5.06 1.Qca3 Nef4 2.Qgxc5 Nxc5 3.Qxc5 Nfe3 4.Qdb3 Nxf1 5.Kxf1 Nfe4 6.Qcc2 Ned3 7.Kg1 Nec3 8.Qaxc3 Nxc3 9.Qbxc3 Ncb5 10.Q3xd3 Ncd4 11.Qe1 Nxc2 12.Qxc2 Nf8e6 13.Qa1 Nbd4 14.Qca4+ Kf8 15.Kh2
27/33- 10:55 2,539,116k 3,873k +4.99 1.Qca3 Nef4
27/33- 11:30 2,659,823k 3,852k +4.91 1.Qca3 Nef4
27/34- 12:17 2,824,261k 3,831k +4.81 1.Qca3 Nef4
27/36- 12:53 2,950,321k 3,816k +4.65 1.Qca3 Nef4
27/38+ 13:39 3,119,495k 3,807k +4.77 1.Qaa3
27/38+ 13:41 3,128,937k 3,807k +5.06 1.Qaa3
27/38 13:44 3,138,727k 3,807k +4.97 1.Qaa3 Ndf4 2.Qfxf4 Nxf4 3.Qxf4 Ncd5 4.Qfc1 Nfe4 5.Qgh2 Ncb4 6.Kf1 Ncd3 7.Kg1 Nxc1 8.Qbxc1 Nbd3 9.Qdxd3 Nxd3 10.Qxd3 Nfg3 11.Q1g2 Ndc5 12.Qdd1 Ndc3 13.Qdf3 Nfe6 14.Qgb2 Nge2+ 15.Qbxe2 Nxe2+ 16.Qfxe2 Nef5 17.Qg4 Nd3 18.Qa1 Nef4
28/38- 13:56 3,183,003k 3,804k +4.90 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
28/40- 14:04 3,211,292k 3,802k +4.83 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
28/40- 14:13 3,240,630k 3,799k +4.72 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
28/42- 15:09 3,446,054k 3,787k +4.57 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
28/42- 15:43 3,572,438k 3,785k +4.36 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
28/43- 18:51 4,230,498k 3,739k +4.08 1.Qaa3 Ndf4
28/44+ 22:38 5,040,765k 3,710k +4.30 1.Qcd2
28/47- 24:51 5,521,634k 3,702k +3.70 1.Qcd2 Nef4
28/47+ 27:16 6,044,305k 3,693k +4.25 1.Qdd2
28/47- 31:01 6,854,863k 3,683k +3.08 1.Qdd2 Ncb4
28/54+ 36:04 7,946,854k 3,671k +4.06 1.Qcd2
28/54 41:25 9,102,657k 3,662k +3.02 1.Qgf2 Ncb4 2.Qaa4 Nxa4 3.Qxa4 Nef4 4.Qfxf4 Ned3+ 5.Qfxd3 Nxd3+ 6.Qxd3 Nxf4 7.Qcxf4 Ncd5 8.Qfh2 Nfe5 9.Qdh3 Ndc4 10.Kf1 Nd4 11.Kg1 Nd8c6 12.Qd1 Nce3 13.Qe1 Nef3+ 14.Q1xf3 Nxf3+ 15.Qxf3 Nde5 16.Qfh1 N5c4 17.Qa2 Nc8b6 18.Qaa1 N6e5 19.Qh2 Ne5g4 20.Qha2 Nf4


For comparison in the original position stockfish can only see a positional drop after a long time.


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Stockfish_17072402_x64_modern:
1/1 00:00 71 71k +6.93 1.Kf1
2/2 00:00 147 147k +6.90 1.Kf1 b6
3/3 00:00 298 149k +6.97 1.Kf1 c6 2.d3
4/4 00:00 887 444k +8.02 1.b3 d6 2.Qb2 e6
5/5 00:00 6k 1,421k +6.41 1.f4 Ndc6 2.Kf2 Nab6 3.f5
6/6 00:00 14k 1,934k +6.25 1.e4 Nhg6 2.f4 Nbc6 3.f5 Nh4
7/7 00:00 22k 2,403k +6.33 1.Kf1 Nab6 2.e4 Nhg6 3.Ke2 Nbc6 4.Kf1
8/10 00:00 104k 2,893k +6.48 1.e4 f6 2.e5 Nhg6 3.c3 Nfe6 4.g4 fxe5
9/12 00:00 153k 2,884k +6.57 1.e4 f6 2.f4 Nhf7 3.f5 Ne5 4.d4 Nc4 5.c3
10/11 00:00 260k 3,027k +6.59 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Nab6 3.Qd3 d6 4.c3 Na6 5.e5 c6 6.exd6
11/13 00:00 548k 2,945k +6.58 1.e4 g6 2.d4 f6 3.e5 Nab6 4.g4 fxe5 5.c3 Nhf7 6.g5 Nbc6 7.dxe5
12/16 00:00 1,338k 3,386k +6.67 1.f4 c6 2.f5 f6 3.g4 g6 4.Qg3 Na6 5.g5 Kf7 6.fxg6+ Nhxg6 7.gxf6
13/16 00:00 1,847k 3,505k +6.70 1.f4 c6 2.f5 Na6 3.e4 g6 4.c4 f6 5.b4 Nhf7 6.b5 N6c7 7.bxc6
14/18 00:00 3,514k 3,638k +6.76 1.f4 c6 2.e4 e6 3.f5 f6 4.e5 Nhf7 5.Qg4 Nge7 6.exf6 gxf6 7.fxe6 Nfxe6
15/20 00:01 5,735k 3,681k +6.76 1.e4 f6 2.f4 c6 3.c4 Nc7 4.e5 fxe5 5.f5 Nhf7 6.d4 g6 7.g4 Nba6 8.d5 Nf6
16/19 00:01 6,870k 3,666k +6.78 1.e4 f6 2.f4 Nhf7 3.c4 g6 4.g4 d6 5.c5 e5 6.b4 Ndc6 7.Qf2 b5 8.fxe5 Nfxe5 9.d4
17/20 00:02 10,633k 3,684k +6.80 1.e4 f6 2.f4 c6 3.g4 g6 4.g5 Nhf7 5.h4 Nc7 6.c3 e5 7.gxf6 Nxf6 8.fxe5 Nxe5 9.d4
18/24 00:07 26,379k 3,697k +6.80 1.f4 d6 2.c4 e6 3.c5 dxc5 4.b4 Nbd7 5.f5 cxb4 6.e4 Nab6 7.Qg4 g6 8.Qg3 Nd6 9.fxe6 Nfxe6 10.Qxb4
19/24 00:11 43,178k 3,684k +6.85 1.f4 d6 2.c4 e6 3.c5 b6 4.f5 bxc5 5.b4 cxb4 6.Qb2 f6 7.Qdc2 Ndc6 8.g4 e5 9.g5 Nc8e7 10.e4
20/25 00:15 57,903k 3,652k +6.79 1.f4 d6 2.c4 e6 3.b4 Nbd7 4.c5 Nhg6 5.Kf1 Ngf6 6.Qdc1 dxc5 7.bxc5 h5 8.f5 Nge7 9.g3 exf5 10.Qe3 Nfe6
21/25 00:19 70,266k 3,628k +6.77 1.f4 e6 2.c4 Nhg6 3.e4 Ng6e7 4.g4 d6 5.b4 e5 6.f5 Nfd7 7.c5 Nec6 8.g5 a6 9.g6 hxg6 10.b5 axb5 11.Qxb5 Nxc5
22/27 00:27 99,182k 3,590k +6.75 1.f4 e6 2.e4 Nhg6 3.f5 Ng6e7 4.c4 d6 5.g4 Nfd7 6.b4 c5 7.bxc5 dxc5 8.fxe6 Nxe6 9.Qxb7 Nab6 10.e5 Nxc4 11.Qa4 Nc4b6
23/30+ 00:41 145,334k 3,539k +6.82 1.f4
23/30 00:45 159,347k 3,523k +6.77 1.f4 e6 2.g4 Nhg6 3.f5 Ng6e7 4.c4 d5 5.cxd5 exd5 6.b4 Nfd7 7.a4 Ngf6 8.Qa1 h6 9.h4 Kf8 10.g5 hxg5 11.hxg5 Ne4 12.Qad4 Nxf5
24/28 00:47 166,926k 3,519k +6.79 1.f4 e6 2.g4 Nhg6 3.f5 Ng6e7 4.c4 d5 5.cxd5 exd5 6.a4 Ndc6 7.g5 Nbd7 8.b4 Nce5 9.b5 b6 10.d4 Nc4 11.h4 N4d6 12.Qbb3 Ndxf5 13.h5 Ncd6 14.e3
25/32- 01:35 334,202k 3,486k +6.72 1.f4 e6
25/32+ 01:37 340,029k 3,480k +6.79 1.c4
25/32 01:58 409,163k 3,447k +6.76 1.c4 Nhg6 2.d4 e6 3.h4 Ng6e7 4.g4 d5 5.c5 Nbd7 6.b4 b6 7.g5 c6 8.Qdc1 bxc5 9.bxc5 Nf5 10.h5 Nge7 11.h6 gxh6 12.a4 hxg5 13.Qgxg5 Nxd4
26/32 02:19 479,768k 3,451k +6.72 1.c4 Nhg6 2.d4 e6 3.h4 Ng6e7 4.g4 d5 5.c5 Nbd7 6.b4 b6 7.g5 c6 8.Qdc1 a6 9.h5 bxc5 10.bxc5 Nc7 11.Qg3 e5 12.e4 Nde6 13.dxe5 Ndxc5 14.exd5 Ncxd5
27/34+ 05:57 1,216,793k 3,400k +6.79 1.f4
27/36 06:11 1,263,980k 3,403k +6.77 1.f4 Nab6 2.c4 d6 3.d4 Nb6d7 4.b4 c5 5.bxc5 dxc5 6.e3 f6 7.g4 Nhf7 8.h4 Na6 9.g5 fxg5 10.hxg5 Ncb6 11.d5 g6 12.a3 Nc7 13.Qf2 Nd6 14.a4 N8f7
28/36- 17:09 3,534,129k 3,432k +6.70 1.f4 Nab6
28/36 18:26 3,794,713k 3,431k +6.70 1.f4 d6 2.c4 e6 3.e4 Nbd7 4.Qg4 g6 5.b4 f6 6.d4 Nhf7 7.g3 e5 8.d5 Nge7 9.Qgd1 c6 10.a4 Nc7 11.h4 f5 12.exf5 cxd5 13.fxe5 Nfxe5 14.fxg6 Nfxg6
29/38 41:43 8,772,588k 3,504k +6.66 1.f4 d6 2.c4 e6 3.b4 Nhg6 4.e3 Nab6 5.c5 Nb6d7 6.g4 Ng6e7 7.h4 dxc5 8.bxc5 Nbc6 9.f5 e5 10.h5 b6 11.Qg3 Nd5 12.cxb6 Nd7xb6 13.e4 Nf4 14.g5 Nc4 15.Qc3
30/39+ 57:05 12,024,630k 3,510k +6.73 1.f4
30/39 1:04:03 13,550,589k 3,526k +6.69 1.f4 d6 2.c3 g6 3.e4 Nbd7 4.d4 f6 5.b4 Nhf7 6.Kf1 c6 7.c4 e5 8.dxe5 fxe5 9.f5 Nc7 10.g4 Ngf6 11.a4 Na6 12.a5 Nc7 13.g5 Nh5 14.a6 Nf4 15.c5 gxf5 16.exf5
31/38 1:13:46 15,655,741k 3,537k +6.67 1.f4 d6 2.c3 g6 3.e4 Nbd7 4.b4 f6 5.Qdb3 e6 6.d4 Nhf7 7.h4 e5 8.g3 c6 9.Kf1 Nc7 10.Qh2 exd4 11.cxd4 d5 12.b5 Nge7 13.exd5 cxd5 14.b6 Nce6 15.Qc3 Ncxb6 16.Qf2
32/42 2:47:39 35,939,662k 3,573k +6.68 1.h4 d6 2.c3 Nab6 3.b4 Nb6d7 4.f4 e5 5.g3 c6 6.e4 f6 7.Qe2 g6 8.d4 Nhf7 9.Kf1 Nfe6 10.a3 Nge7 11.Qgf2 Nh6 12.dxe5 fxe5 13.f5 Nc7 14.c4 Ndf7 15.b5 Nc5 16.g4 gxf5 17.exf5 Nbd7