A french defence game

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Re: A french defence game

Post by zullil »

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: which of those lines shall I take?
they are all equal.

I suppose the first one.

I deviate with 16.Be3 instead of Rb1:
asmFish would play 16... Kb7

[D] 3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BN2/2PQB1PP/R4RK1 w - - 2 17

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-0.20 16... Kb7 17. Rfb1 Ng6 18. h3 Rhg8 19. Rb2 Nh8 20. Qe1 Nf7 21. h4 Qe7 22. Qg3 Nh8 23. Qe1 Qd7 24. Qg3 Rdf8 25. Rab1 Qe7 26. Ra2 Ra8 27. Qe1 Qd7 28. Qc1 Ng6 29. Raa1 Rad8 30. g3 Rc8 31. Kg2 Qe7 32. Qb2 Nf8 33. Rh1 Nd7 34. Rhd1 Qe8 35. Rdb1 Qf7 36. Rh1 Ndb8 37. Qc1 Qd7 38. Ra2 Qe8 39. Qd2 Ne7 40. Rb2 Nbc6 41. Rhb1 Kc7 (depth 50, 0:32:53)

-0.12  16... Ng6 17. Rfb1 Rhg8 18. g3 Nge7 19. Nh4 Kb7 20. Ra2 Rc8 21. Bf3 Ka8 22. Kg2 Nb8 23. Bd1 Na6 24. Nf3 Nc6 25. h4 Qb7 26. Ng1 Nc7 27. Nh3 Kb8 28. Raa1 Nb5 29. Be2 Qa6 30. Nf2 g6 31. Bf3 Kb7 32. Nd1 Rgd8 33. Nb2 Rd7 34. Nd1 Kb8 35. Ra2 Rb7 36. Raa1 Rbc7 37. Qc1 Rf7 38. Bd2 Rg7 39. Be3 Rd7 40. Ra2 Rb7 41. Bd2 Rg8 (depth 50, 0:32:53)

-0.12 16... Rdf8 17. Rfc1 Kb7 18. h4 Rc8 19. g3 Rhg8 20. Bf1 Rgd8 21. Rd1 Ng6 22. Rdc1 Kb8 23. Rab1 Nge7 24. Be2 Qe8 25. Bf1 Na5 26. Ra1 Nec6 27. Qf2 Qg6 28. Bg2 Qf7 29. Rab1 Kb7 30. Ra1 Qe7 31. Kh2 Kb8 32. Qe2 Qd7 33. Rab1 Qf7 34. Kg1 Ne7 35. Re1 Qh5 36. Qf2 Qg4 37. Nh2 Qg6 38. Nf3 Nac6 39. Rb2 Kb7 40. Reb1 Qe8 41. Qf1 Kb8 (depth 50, 0:32:53)
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Re: A french defence game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
[d]rnbqk2r/pp2nppp/4p3/2ppP3/3P1P2/P1P5/2P3PP/R1BQKBNR b KQkq f3 0 2
So we have 3 lines:

a) 7.g3!? Qa5!? 8.Bd2 Qa4 9.Qb1 o-o 10.f4 Qc6

b) 7.Nf3 Nbc6 8.Bd3 Qa5!? 9.Bd2 Bd7 10.c4 Qa4

But maybe we can forget these as more interesting is:

c) 7.f4. Here I would play like this, hoping for this line:
7...Qa5 8.Bd2 cd 9.cd Qa4 10.Nf3 b6 11.c4 Qd1 12.Rd1 dc 13.Bc4 Bb7 and black is fine I think.

But I am sure white has something better in c).
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Re: A french defence game

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

MikeGL wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
what about continuation to my Bf2 line, I also posted a diagram?
[D] rn2k2r/p2qn1pp/1p2p3/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P2N2/2P1BBPP/R2QK2R b KQkq - 3 13
AsmFish says Black has equalized. Here are the three best replies. Note that Black intends to put its king on the queenside.

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-0.20 13... Nbc6 14. O-O O-O-O 15. Qd2 h6 16. Rab1 Kb7 17. Be3 Ng6 18. Qc1 Rhg8 19. Rb2 Nh8 20. Rb1 Nf7 21. Re1 Rc8 22. h4 Qe7 23. Rb2 Kb8 24. Rb1 Nh8 25. Qb2 Kb7 26. Rf1 Nf7 27. Qc1 Rcf8 28. Bd2 Qd7 29. Be3 Rd8 30. Qd2 Nh8 31. Qc1 Ng6 32. Bf2 Rc8 33. g3 Nge7 34. Qb2 Kb8 35. Rfe1 Nd8 36. Kg2 Nb7 37. Rf1 Rgd8 38. Be3 Nc6 39. Qc1 Rg8 40. Nd2 Qf7 (depth 54, 1:05:51)

-0.20 13... Ng6 14. Qd2 Kd8 15. O-O Nc6 16. h3 Kc7 17. Qc1 h6 18. Rb1 Kb7 19. Kh2 Rhg8 20. Rb2 Rac8 21. Re1 Qe7 22. Rb1 Rcd8 23. Kg1 Nh8 24. h4 Qd7 25. Qb2 Ng6 26. g3 Rc8 27. Bf1 Kb8 28. Bg2 Nge7 29. Rf1 Rgd8 30. Be3 Qe8 31. Bf2 Kb7 32. Ra1 Qd7 33. Qc1 Rg8 34. Qb2 Ng6 35. Rfe1 Ka8 36. Reb1 Nge7 37. Rf1 Kb7 38. Rab1 Rgd8 39. Nd2 Kb8 (depth 53, 1:05:51)

-0.20 13... Na6 14. O-O O-O-O 15. Be3 Nb8 16. Ng5 Nec6 17. g3 h6 18. Nf3 Rhg8 19. Qd2 Qe7 20. h4 Nd7 21. Nh2 Nf8 22. Rfb1 Nh7 23. Nf3 Kb7 24. Qc1 Nf8 25. Qb2 Rc8 26. Kg2 Qd7 27. Qc1 Ng6 28. Qb2 Nge7 29. Rf1 Kb8 30. Ng1 Na5 31. Nf3 Kb7 32. Rab1 Ka8 33. Rh1 Qe8 34. Ra1 Nec6 35. Rab1 Kb7 36. Qc1 Qd7 37. Qb2 Ka8 38. Rhf1 Qe7 39. Ra1 Kb7 40. Rfb1 (depth 53, 1:05:51)
[d]2kr3r/p2qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BN2/2PQB1PP/R4RK1 b - - 0 4

white has large advantage.
Be serious Lyudmil, this is just equal. I even like black a little bit, easier to play as black here.
Just look at the Q-side all pawns are already fixed for white, and black has the dynamics on this position specifically the option to break the K-side and attack castled K of white. White K is a sitting duck preparing to get attack after the K-side break of black, and white cannot do anything at q-side as it is already fixed and Ba4 of black is untouchable on that square while it holds the Qd2 because c2 is permanently under attack by Ba4.

While black is sitting comfortably at q-side.
So black has a little edge on this position in my opinion.


.
you know nothing about it.

white king can transfer to the queen side or in the center; the black bishop on a4 is easily removable after a knight manoeuvre like g3,Nf3-h4-g2-e3-d1-b2; white has substantial center advantage and pair of bishops.

of course, you recognise nothing of all this.

maybe I should stop posting on this forum, it is already boring that 5 or 6 people always oppose you.

I wonder only, how a single person is not available, who would agree with me and support me?
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Re: A french defence game

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: which of those lines shall I take?
they are all equal.

I suppose the first one.

I deviate with 16.Be3 instead of Rb1:
asmFish would play 16... Kb7

[D] 3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BN2/2PQB1PP/R4RK1 w - - 2 17

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-0.20 16... Kb7 17. Rfb1 Ng6 18. h3 Rhg8 19. Rb2 Nh8 20. Qe1 Nf7 21. h4 Qe7 22. Qg3 Nh8 23. Qe1 Qd7 24. Qg3 Rdf8 25. Rab1 Qe7 26. Ra2 Ra8 27. Qe1 Qd7 28. Qc1 Ng6 29. Raa1 Rad8 30. g3 Rc8 31. Kg2 Qe7 32. Qb2 Nf8 33. Rh1 Nd7 34. Rhd1 Qe8 35. Rdb1 Qf7 36. Rh1 Ndb8 37. Qc1 Qd7 38. Ra2 Qe8 39. Qd2 Ne7 40. Rb2 Nbc6 41. Rhb1 Kc7 (depth 50, 0:32:53)

-0.12  16... Ng6 17. Rfb1 Rhg8 18. g3 Nge7 19. Nh4 Kb7 20. Ra2 Rc8 21. Bf3 Ka8 22. Kg2 Nb8 23. Bd1 Na6 24. Nf3 Nc6 25. h4 Qb7 26. Ng1 Nc7 27. Nh3 Kb8 28. Raa1 Nb5 29. Be2 Qa6 30. Nf2 g6 31. Bf3 Kb7 32. Nd1 Rgd8 33. Nb2 Rd7 34. Nd1 Kb8 35. Ra2 Rb7 36. Raa1 Rbc7 37. Qc1 Rf7 38. Bd2 Rg7 39. Be3 Rd7 40. Ra2 Rb7 41. Bd2 Rg8 (depth 50, 0:32:53)

-0.12 16... Rdf8 17. Rfc1 Kb7 18. h4 Rc8 19. g3 Rhg8 20. Bf1 Rgd8 21. Rd1 Ng6 22. Rdc1 Kb8 23. Rab1 Nge7 24. Be2 Qe8 25. Bf1 Na5 26. Ra1 Nec6 27. Qf2 Qg6 28. Bg2 Qf7 29. Rab1 Kb7 30. Ra1 Qe7 31. Kh2 Kb8 32. Qe2 Qd7 33. Rab1 Qf7 34. Kg1 Ne7 35. Re1 Qh5 36. Qf2 Qg4 37. Nh2 Qg6 38. Nf3 Nac6 39. Rb2 Kb7 40. Reb1 Qe8 41. Qf1 Kb8 (depth 50, 0:32:53)
g3:

[d]3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQB2P/R4RK1 b - - 0 1
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Re: A french defence game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
g3:

[d]3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQB2P/R4RK1 b - - 0 1
Let's assume Black plays 17... Rdg8.

[D] 6rr/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQB2P/R4RK1 w - - 1 18

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-0.12 17... Rdg8 18. Rab1 Rf8 19. h4 Rc8 20. Kg2 Rhd8 21. Rb2 Qe8 22. Kh2 Kb8 23. Ra1 Qf7 24. Re1 Rh8 25. Qc1 Qg8 26. Ra2 Kb7 27. Qb2 Rc7 28. Rb1 Qe8 29. Qc1 Qg6 30. Rab2 Rd8 31. Qe1 Rg8 32. Bf1 Kb8 33. Bg2 Rcc8 34. Kg1 Rgd8 35. Qf2 Qe8 36. Nd2 Na5 37. Nf3 Nec6 38. Qe2 Qd7 39. Qf2 Rh8 40. Bf1 Rhg8 41. Bg2 Ne7 42. Qe2 Rcd8 43. Rf1 Nac6 44. Bd2 Qe8 45. Be3 Rc8 (depth 57, 0:12:49)

-0.12 17... Rdf8 18. Rab1 Rfg8 19. Ra1 Rc8 20. Rfd1 Ng6 21. Re1 Rhg8 22. h4 Nge7 23. Rab1 Qe8 24. Kg2 Qg6 25. Rb2 Rgd8 26. Rbb1 Rh8 27. Bf1 Rhg8 28. Qe2 Qg4 29. Qf2 Kb8 30. Be2 Qg6 31. Bf1 Qe8 32. Kg1 Kb7 33. Bg2 Qd7 34. Rb2 Ng6 35. Rbb1 Rcd8 36. Qe2 Nge7 37. Kh2 Qe8 38. Kg1 Qg6 39. Qf2 Rc8 40. Kf1 Rgd8 41. Kg1 Kb8 42. Rb2 Rf8 43. Reb1 Kb7 44. Bd2 Rfd8 45. Be3 Ka8 (depth 57, 0:12:49)

-0.12 17... Na5 18. Rab1 Nac6 19. Rbe1 Rhg8 20. Rb1 Ra8 21. Kg2 Rac8 22. Rfd1 Ng6 23. Re1 Nh8 24. Ra1 Rgd8 25. Rg1 Ng6 26. Rgb1 Rh8 27. Re1 Qe7 28. Rab1 Rhd8 29. h4 Rh8 30. Bf1 Qe8 31. Kg1 Nge7 32. Bg2 Rg8 33. Qe2 Qd8 34. Rb2 Kb8 35. Rbb1 Qd7 36. Ra1 Rgd8 37. Rab1 Ng6 38. Qf2 Kb7 39. Qe2 Qe8 40. Qd2 Kb8 41. Ra1 Nge7 42. Reb1 Rc7 43. Qf2 Qg6 44. Re1 Rcc8 45. Rf1 Kb7 (depth 57, 0:12:49)
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Re: A french defence game

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
g3:

[d]3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQB2P/R4RK1 b - - 0 1
Let's assume Black plays 17... Rdg8.

[D] 6rr/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQB2P/R4RK1 w - - 1 18

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-0.12 17... Rdg8 18. Rab1 Rf8 19. h4 Rc8 20. Kg2 Rhd8 21. Rb2 Qe8 22. Kh2 Kb8 23. Ra1 Qf7 24. Re1 Rh8 25. Qc1 Qg8 26. Ra2 Kb7 27. Qb2 Rc7 28. Rb1 Qe8 29. Qc1 Qg6 30. Rab2 Rd8 31. Qe1 Rg8 32. Bf1 Kb8 33. Bg2 Rcc8 34. Kg1 Rgd8 35. Qf2 Qe8 36. Nd2 Na5 37. Nf3 Nec6 38. Qe2 Qd7 39. Qf2 Rh8 40. Bf1 Rhg8 41. Bg2 Ne7 42. Qe2 Rcd8 43. Rf1 Nac6 44. Bd2 Qe8 45. Be3 Rc8 (depth 57, 0:12:49)

-0.12 17... Rdf8 18. Rab1 Rfg8 19. Ra1 Rc8 20. Rfd1 Ng6 21. Re1 Rhg8 22. h4 Nge7 23. Rab1 Qe8 24. Kg2 Qg6 25. Rb2 Rgd8 26. Rbb1 Rh8 27. Bf1 Rhg8 28. Qe2 Qg4 29. Qf2 Kb8 30. Be2 Qg6 31. Bf1 Qe8 32. Kg1 Kb7 33. Bg2 Qd7 34. Rb2 Ng6 35. Rbb1 Rcd8 36. Qe2 Nge7 37. Kh2 Qe8 38. Kg1 Qg6 39. Qf2 Rc8 40. Kf1 Rgd8 41. Kg1 Kb8 42. Rb2 Rf8 43. Reb1 Kb7 44. Bd2 Rfd8 45. Be3 Ka8 (depth 57, 0:12:49)

-0.12 17... Na5 18. Rab1 Nac6 19. Rbe1 Rhg8 20. Rb1 Ra8 21. Kg2 Rac8 22. Rfd1 Ng6 23. Re1 Nh8 24. Ra1 Rgd8 25. Rg1 Ng6 26. Rgb1 Rh8 27. Re1 Qe7 28. Rab1 Rhd8 29. h4 Rh8 30. Bf1 Qe8 31. Kg1 Nge7 32. Bg2 Rg8 33. Qe2 Qd8 34. Rb2 Kb8 35. Rbb1 Qd7 36. Ra1 Rgd8 37. Rab1 Ng6 38. Qf2 Kb7 39. Qe2 Qe8 40. Qd2 Kb8 41. Ra1 Nge7 42. Reb1 Rc7 43. Qf2 Qg6 44. Re1 Rcc8 45. Rf1 Kb7 (depth 57, 0:12:49)
Rf2:

[d]6rr/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R5K1 b - - 0 1
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Re: A french defence game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Rf2:

[d]6rr/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R5K1 b - - 0 1
AsmFish has searched to depth 60 with MultiPV=3. All lines are evaluated at 12cps in favor of Black. It is difficult (for me) to believe that White has a winning advantage here. Perhaps White needs to search for improvements earlier, in order to better support the claim that 7. f4 wins for White.

In any case, I guess Black plays 18. Rd8. This is asmFish entering "shuffling phase." It will stay in this phase until the opponent does something, which usually means blunders.
[D] 3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R5K1 w - - 3 19

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-0.12 18... Rd8 19. Rff1 Rhg8 20. Rfe1 Ng6 21. Rf1 Rc8 22. Rae1 Qe7 23. Ra1 Qe8 24. Rfb1 Qd7 25. Qc1 Rgd8 26. h3 Nge7 27. Kg2 Rh8 28. Qb2 Qe8 29. Qc1 Nb8 30. Qb2 Rg8 31. Qc1 Na6 32. Kg1 Qd7 33. Kg2 Nc7 34. Qd2 Qe8 35. h4 Nc6 36. Qc1 Na5 37. Rb4 Na6 38. Rbb1 Nc6 39. Qd2 Ne7 40. Qc1 Qg6 41. Rb2 Nc6 42. Kh2 Nc7 43. Qd2 Qe8 44. Rbb1 Rh8 45. Kg1 Nb5 46. Kg2 a6 47. Ra2 Rg8 48. Raa1 Rf8 (depth 60, 0:08:58)

-0.12 18... Qc7 19. Rff1 Rd8 20. Rab1 Qd7 21. Rf2 Ng6 22. h4 Nge7 23. Rff1 Rdg8 24. Kg2 Qe8 25. Rbe1 Na5 26. Kg1 Qg6 27. Kg2 Nac6 28. Ng1 Rd8 29. Nf3 Rc8 30. Rb1 Rcg8 31. Rfe1 Kb8 32. Bf2 Rc8 33. Rf1 Rhd8 34. Be3 Kb7 35. Rfe1 Qe8 36. Kg1 Ra8 37. Kg2 Rdc8 38. Qc1 Qd7 39. Rf1 Rd8 40. Qd2 Rac8 41. Qc1 Qe8 42. Re1 Nb8 43. Rb4 Na6 44. Rb1 Nc6 45. Ra1 Qe7 46. Qd2 Nc7 47. Reb1 g6 48. Ng1 (depth 60, 0:08:58)

-0.12 18... Ng6 19. Rff1 Rc8 20. Rfb1 Kc7 21. h3 Kb7 22. h4 Ra8 23. Bf1 Nge7 24. Qc1 Rac8 25. Bg2 Rhd8 26. Ra2 Qe8 27. Bf2 Kb8 28. Be3 Qg6 29. Qe1 Rg8 30. Rab2 Rcd8 31. Bc1 Na5 32. Bd2 Rc8 33. Be3 Qe8 34. Qd2 Nec6 35. Ra1 Kb7 36. Qe2 Qd7 37. Kh2 Kb8 38. Rbb1 Rh8 39. Re1 Rhd8 40. Rab1 Qe7 41. Rec1 Qe8 42. Re1 Qd7 43. Rf1 Rf8 44. Qf2 Qe7 45. Qe2 Rh8 46. Ra1 Rhd8 47. Rfb1 Qe8 48. Kg1 (depth 60, 0:08:58)
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Re: A french defence game

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zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Rf2:

[d]6rr/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R5K1 b - - 0 1
AsmFish has searched to depth 60 with MultiPV=3. All lines are evaluated at 12cps in favor of Black. It is difficult (for me) to believe that White has a winning advantage here. Perhaps White needs to search for improvements earlier, in order to better support the claim that 7. f4 wins for White.

In any case, I guess Black plays 18. Rd8. This is asmFish entering "shuffling phase." It will stay in this phase until the opponent does something, which usually means blunders.
[D] 3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R5K1 w - - 3 19

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-0.12 18... Rd8 19. Rff1 Rhg8 20. Rfe1 Ng6 21. Rf1 Rc8 22. Rae1 Qe7 23. Ra1 Qe8 24. Rfb1 Qd7 25. Qc1 Rgd8 26. h3 Nge7 27. Kg2 Rh8 28. Qb2 Qe8 29. Qc1 Nb8 30. Qb2 Rg8 31. Qc1 Na6 32. Kg1 Qd7 33. Kg2 Nc7 34. Qd2 Qe8 35. h4 Nc6 36. Qc1 Na5 37. Rb4 Na6 38. Rbb1 Nc6 39. Qd2 Ne7 40. Qc1 Qg6 41. Rb2 Nc6 42. Kh2 Nc7 43. Qd2 Qe8 44. Rbb1 Rh8 45. Kg1 Nb5 46. Kg2 a6 47. Ra2 Rg8 48. Raa1 Rf8 (depth 60, 0:08:58)

-0.12 18... Qc7 19. Rff1 Rd8 20. Rab1 Qd7 21. Rf2 Ng6 22. h4 Nge7 23. Rff1 Rdg8 24. Kg2 Qe8 25. Rbe1 Na5 26. Kg1 Qg6 27. Kg2 Nac6 28. Ng1 Rd8 29. Nf3 Rc8 30. Rb1 Rcg8 31. Rfe1 Kb8 32. Bf2 Rc8 33. Rf1 Rhd8 34. Be3 Kb7 35. Rfe1 Qe8 36. Kg1 Ra8 37. Kg2 Rdc8 38. Qc1 Qd7 39. Rf1 Rd8 40. Qd2 Rac8 41. Qc1 Qe8 42. Re1 Nb8 43. Rb4 Na6 44. Rb1 Nc6 45. Ra1 Qe7 46. Qd2 Nc7 47. Reb1 g6 48. Ng1 (depth 60, 0:08:58)

-0.12 18... Ng6 19. Rff1 Rc8 20. Rfb1 Kc7 21. h3 Kb7 22. h4 Ra8 23. Bf1 Nge7 24. Qc1 Rac8 25. Bg2 Rhd8 26. Ra2 Qe8 27. Bf2 Kb8 28. Be3 Qg6 29. Qe1 Rg8 30. Rab2 Rcd8 31. Bc1 Na5 32. Bd2 Rc8 33. Be3 Qe8 34. Qd2 Nec6 35. Ra1 Kb7 36. Qe2 Qd7 37. Kh2 Kb8 38. Rbb1 Rh8 39. Re1 Rhd8 40. Rab1 Qe7 41. Rec1 Qe8 42. Re1 Qd7 43. Rf1 Rf8 44. Qf2 Qe7 45. Qe2 Rh8 46. Ra1 Rhd8 47. Rfb1 Qe8 48. Kg1 (depth 60, 0:08:58)
no blunders on my part this time.

SF will blunder something.

Kh1:

[d]3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R6K b - - 0 2
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Re: A french defence game

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
Kh1:

[d]3r3r/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R6K b - - 0 2
asmFish plays Rhg8.
[D] 3r2r1/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R6K w - - 5 20

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-0.12 19... Rhg8 20. Rg2 Qe8 21. Rf2 Rc8 22. h4 Na5 23. Kg2 g6 24. Rff1 Qd7 25. Rab1 Nac6 26. Qc1 Kb8 27. Qd2 Rge8 28. Rh1 Kb7 29. Qc1 Red8 30. Qd2 Rg8 31. Rhe1 Qe8 32. Rh1 Rh8 33. Rhf1 Rd8 34. Rfe1 Qd7 35. Rf1 Rhg8 36. Qc1 Rgf8 37. Qb2 Rc8 38. Rbe1 Rh8 39. Rb1 Nb8 40. Rbe1 Na6 41. Ra1 Nc7 42. Rfb1 Rhg8 43. Qc1 Nc6 44. Ng1 Rgd8 45. Bf3 Qg7 46. Qd2 Qe7 47. Ne2 Rg8 48. Rh1 Rcd8 49. Rhd1 (depth 60, 0:06:02)

-0.12 19... Kb8 20. Kg1 Ka8 21. Rff1 Kb7 22. Rae1 Rhg8 23. Rb1 Qe8 24. Rb2 Rc8 25. Rbb1 Ra8 26. Ra1 g6 27. Rab1 Rc8 28. Qc1 Qd7 29. Qd2 Rgd8 30. Bf2 Nb8 31. Kg2 Rg8 32. Be3 Na6 33. h4 Nb8 34. Ra1 Qe8 35. Rab1 Rd8 36. Rfe1 Ka8 37. Rf1 Nbc6 38. Qc1 Kb7 39. Qd2 Qd7 40. Qc1 Rgf8 41. Qb2 Rc8 42. Rbe1 Rh8 43. Rb1 Nb8 44. Ra1 Na6 45. Rfb1 Rcg8 46. Kg1 Nc7 47. Qc1 Rc8 48. Qd2 Rhe8 49. Qc1 (depth 60, 0:06:02)

-0.12 19... Rc8 20. Rb1 Ng6 21. Rff1 Qe7 22. Kg2 Kb8 23. Ra1 Rhg8 24. h3 Qd7 25. Rh1 Kb7 26. Qc1 Nge7 27. Qd2 Rgd8 28. Rhe1 Qe8 29. Rab1 Ng6 30. Qc1 Qd7 31. Qd2 Qe7 32. h4 Qe8 33. Qc1 Rc7 34. Ng1 Nge7 35. Qd2 Qd7 36. Bf3 Rcc8 37. Ne2 Rh8 38. Ng1 Nb8 39. Qe2 Qe8 40. Qd2 Nbc6 41. Ne2 Rg8 42. Ng1 Rd8 43. Be2 Rh8 44. Nf3 g6 45. Rf1 Rg8 46. Rfe1 Qd7 47. Rh1 Rge8 48. Rhe1 Kc7 49. Qc1 (depth 60, 0:06:02)
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Re: A french defence game

Post by zullil »

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: no blunders on my part this time.

SF will blunder something.
Hi Lyudmil,

To be more clear, when I wrote
This is asmFish entering "shuffling phase." It will stay in this phase until the opponent does something, which usually means blunders.
I was making a general statement, based on observing many long time-control games played by Stockfish against engines. When Stockfish cannot find a line that improves its score, it simply plays what appear to be shuffling moves. Occasionally the other engine over-reaches or blunders, and then Stockfish pounces. Otherwise, the game usually ends in a draw.

I believe we're at
[D]3r2r1/pk1qn1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPp2/b1pP1P2/P1P1BNP1/2PQBR1P/R6K w - - 5 20

Or we could consider another variation from earlier in the line.