A french defence game

[zullil]

g5:

[d]3r1r2/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P1BN1P/2PQB2R/6RK b - - 0 2

fg4 seemingly loses spectacularly.

so far, your SF manages to avoid all losing moves, let us see for how long this is going to continue.

24... Rh8
[D] 3r3r/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P1BN1P/2PQB2R/6RK w - - 1 25

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-0.15 24... Rh8 25. h4 Nb8 26. Bd1 Be8 27. h5 hxg5 28. Rxg5 Rh7 29. Qg2 Qf8 30. Kg1 Nbc6 31. Rg3 Qh8 32. Ng5 Rh6 33. Bf3 Rc8 34. Rgh3 Rc7 35. Qf1 Kb8 36. Qb1 Qg8 37. Kf1 Bd7 38. Kg1 Na5 39. Qb2 Qe8 40. Rg2 Rb7 41. Kf1 Nac6 42. Rhg3 Qg8 43. Kg1 Be8 44. Rh2 Qh8 45. Qc1 Na5 46. Rgh3 Qf8 47. Rg2 Ba4 48. Rhg3 Bd7 49. Qb2 Rc7 50. Qb4 Be8 51. Qb2 Qh8 52. Rh3 (depth 55, 0:38:03)

-0.12 24... Rg8 25. h4 h5 26. Kg2 g6 27. Rb1 Na5 28. Rhh1 Qf8 29. Rb4 Qe8 30. Rd1 Bd7 31. Ng1 Nec6 32. Rbb1 Qf8 33. Qc1 Ne7 34. Qb2 Ka8 35. Nf3 Bc6 36. Ng1 Rg7 37. Bf3 Qh8 38. Ne2 Qe8 39. Qb4 Ba4 40. Qb2 Kb8 41. Ng3 Nec6 42. Bf2 Rb7 43. Ra1 Rc8 44. Qc1 Ne7 45. Rb1 Qf8 46. Qd2 Nec6 47. Ra1 Rg7 48. Qc1 Ne7 49. Rb1 Qe8 50. Rh1 Bc6 51. Ra1 Qd7 (depth 55, 0:38:03)

-0.12 24... Ng6 25. h4 h5 26. Kg2 Nge7 27. Rhh1 Na5 28. Qc1 Rh8 29. Qb2 g6 30. Rd1 Qe8 31. Nd2 Rc8 32. Rhe1 Bc6 33. Bf2 Kb8 34. Qb4 Rc7 35. Bf3 Bb7 36. Bg3 Nec6 37. Qb5 Qf7 38. Bf2 Rg8 39. Qb2 Qg7 40. Nf1 Nd8 41. Ng3 Rh8 42. Rb1 Rd7 43. Qb4 Ndc6 44. Qb2 Rhd8 45. Ra1 Rc7 46. Reb1 Rh8 47. Re1 Qd7 48. Reb1 Rf8 49. Rd1 Qe7 50. Rdb1 Qg7 51. Rd1 Ne7 52. Qb4 (depth 55, 0:38:03)

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

g5:

[d]3r1r2/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P1BN1P/2PQB2R/6RK b - - 0 2

fg4 seemingly loses spectacularly.

so far, your SF manages to avoid all losing moves, let us see for how long this is going to continue.

24... Rh8
[D] 3r3r/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P1BN1P/2PQB2R/6RK w - - 1 25

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-0.15 24... Rh8 25. h4 Nb8 26. Bd1 Be8 27. h5 hxg5 28. Rxg5 Rh7 29. Qg2 Qf8 30. Kg1 Nbc6 31. Rg3 Qh8 32. Ng5 Rh6 33. Bf3 Rc8 34. Rgh3 Rc7 35. Qf1 Kb8 36. Qb1 Qg8 37. Kf1 Bd7 38. Kg1 Na5 39. Qb2 Qe8 40. Rg2 Rb7 41. Kf1 Nac6 42. Rhg3 Qg8 43. Kg1 Be8 44. Rh2 Qh8 45. Qc1 Na5 46. Rgh3 Qf8 47. Rg2 Ba4 48. Rhg3 Bd7 49. Qb2 Rc7 50. Qb4 Be8 51. Qb2 Qh8 52. Rh3 (depth 55, 0:38:03)

-0.12 24... Rg8 25. h4 h5 26. Kg2 g6 27. Rb1 Na5 28. Rhh1 Qf8 29. Rb4 Qe8 30. Rd1 Bd7 31. Ng1 Nec6 32. Rbb1 Qf8 33. Qc1 Ne7 34. Qb2 Ka8 35. Nf3 Bc6 36. Ng1 Rg7 37. Bf3 Qh8 38. Ne2 Qe8 39. Qb4 Ba4 40. Qb2 Kb8 41. Ng3 Nec6 42. Bf2 Rb7 43. Ra1 Rc8 44. Qc1 Ne7 45. Rb1 Qf8 46. Qd2 Nec6 47. Ra1 Rg7 48. Qc1 Ne7 49. Rb1 Qe8 50. Rh1 Bc6 51. Ra1 Qd7 (depth 55, 0:38:03)

-0.12 24... Ng6 25. h4 h5 26. Kg2 Nge7 27. Rhh1 Na5 28. Qc1 Rh8 29. Qb2 g6 30. Rd1 Qe8 31. Nd2 Rc8 32. Rhe1 Bc6 33. Bf2 Kb8 34. Qb4 Rc7 35. Bf3 Bb7 36. Bg3 Nec6 37. Qb5 Qf7 38. Bf2 Rg8 39. Qb2 Qg7 40. Nf1 Nd8 41. Ng3 Rh8 42. Rb1 Rd7 43. Qb4 Ndc6 44. Qb2 Rhd8 45. Ra1 Rc7 46. Reb1 Rh8 47. Re1 Qd7 48. Reb1 Rf8 49. Rd1 Qe7 50. Rdb1 Qg7 51. Rd1 Ne7 52. Qb4 (depth 55, 0:38:03)

Bf2:

[d]3r3r/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P2N1P/2PQBB1R/6RK b - - 0 1

[zullil]

Hi Lyudmil,

I'll send a reply to 25. Bf2 soon. After that, I'm afraid we'll need to adjourn until the end of this week, as the computer is needed for non-chess use. Thus you will have a lot of time to plan. Or feel free to continue against another opponent. We can always return to this thread in the future.

Louis

[zullil]

Bf2:

[d]3r3r/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P2N1P/2PQBB1R/6RK b - - 0 1

25... Rdg8 and adjourned.
[D] 6rr/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P2N1P/2PQBB1R/6RK w - - 3 26

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-0.31 25... Rdg8 26. Rhg2 Ng6 27. h4 Nf8 28. Rh2 Rh7 29. Qc1 Qe8 30. Kg2 a5 31. Rgh1 Rgh8 32. Bg3 hxg5 33. Nxg5 Rh6 34. Bf3 Na7 35. Qf1 Kb8 36. Qb1 Nb5 37. Qb2 Nd7 38. Ra1 Kb7 39. Rb1 Nf8 40. Kf2 Nh7 41. Nh3 Qe7 42. Rhh1 Nf8 43. Ng5 Nd7 44. Ke2 g6 45. Bf2 Nb8 46. Kd2 Rg8 47. Rh2 Nc6 48. Rhh1 Rgh8 49. Be2 Qe8 50. Rh2 Nd8 51. Bf3 (depth 50, 0:19:44)

-0.15 25... Nb8 26. g6 Qe8 27. Rhg2 Na6 28. h4 Qb5 29. Qc1 Nc7 30. h5 Qa5 31. Qb2 Nb5 32. Be1 Nc6 33. Rh2 Kb8 34. Bd2 Qa6 35. Be1 Rd7 36. Bd2 Re8 37. Ra1 Qb7 38. Nh4 Rf8 39. Kg1 Rfd8 40. Be1 Re7 41. Ng2 Ree8 42. Ne3 Rh8 43. Rb1 Rhg8 44. Bf3 Rc8 45. Bh4 Rge8 46. Be1 Qd7 47. Bf2 Rg8 48. Bh4 Rgf8 49. Bg3 Nc7 50. Re2 (depth 50, 0:19:44)

-0.15  25... Rd7 26. h4 Qe8 27. Kg2 Rc7 28. Rgh1 Nb8 29. h5 Na6 30. g6 Qb5 31. Qc1 Rcc8 32. Rd1 Nc6 33. Kg1 Qa5 34. Be1 Rhe8 35. Qb2 Nc7 36. Bh4 Nb5 37. Be1 Re7 38. Rb1 Kb8 39. Nh4 Qa6 40. Bf3 Qb7 41. Qc1 Rd8 42. Ra1 Qd7 43. Ng2 Rc8 44. Qd2 Ree8 45. Bf2 Ne7 46. Be2 Qb7 47. Ne3 Qa6 48. Bf3 Nc6 49. Be1 Rf8 50. Ng2 Rh8 51. Nh4 (depth 50, 0:19:44)

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Bf2:

[d]3r3r/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P2N1P/2PQBB1R/6RK b - - 0 1

25... Rdg8 and adjourned.
[D] 6rr/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P2N1P/2PQBB1R/6RK w - - 3 26

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-0.31 25... Rdg8 26. Rhg2 Ng6 27. h4 Nf8 28. Rh2 Rh7 29. Qc1 Qe8 30. Kg2 a5 31. Rgh1 Rgh8 32. Bg3 hxg5 33. Nxg5 Rh6 34. Bf3 Na7 35. Qf1 Kb8 36. Qb1 Nb5 37. Qb2 Nd7 38. Ra1 Kb7 39. Rb1 Nf8 40. Kf2 Nh7 41. Nh3 Qe7 42. Rhh1 Nf8 43. Ng5 Nd7 44. Ke2 g6 45. Bf2 Nb8 46. Kd2 Rg8 47. Rh2 Nc6 48. Rhh1 Rgh8 49. Be2 Qe8 50. Rh2 Nd8 51. Bf3 (depth 50, 0:19:44)

-0.15 25... Nb8 26. g6 Qe8 27. Rhg2 Na6 28. h4 Qb5 29. Qc1 Nc7 30. h5 Qa5 31. Qb2 Nb5 32. Be1 Nc6 33. Rh2 Kb8 34. Bd2 Qa6 35. Be1 Rd7 36. Bd2 Re8 37. Ra1 Qb7 38. Nh4 Rf8 39. Kg1 Rfd8 40. Be1 Re7 41. Ng2 Ree8 42. Ne3 Rh8 43. Rb1 Rhg8 44. Bf3 Rc8 45. Bh4 Rge8 46. Be1 Qd7 47. Bf2 Rg8 48. Bh4 Rgf8 49. Bg3 Nc7 50. Re2 (depth 50, 0:19:44)

-0.15  25... Rd7 26. h4 Qe8 27. Kg2 Rc7 28. Rgh1 Nb8 29. h5 Na6 30. g6 Qb5 31. Qc1 Rcc8 32. Rd1 Nc6 33. Kg1 Qa5 34. Be1 Rhe8 35. Qb2 Nc7 36. Bh4 Nb5 37. Be1 Re7 38. Rb1 Kb8 39. Nh4 Qa6 40. Bf3 Qb7 41. Qc1 Rd8 42. Ra1 Qd7 43. Ng2 Rc8 44. Qd2 Ree8 45. Bf2 Ne7 46. Be2 Qb7 47. Ne3 Qa6 48. Bf3 Nc6 49. Be1 Rf8 50. Ng2 Rh8 51. Nh4 (depth 50, 0:19:44)

Nh4:

[d]6rr/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P1N/P1P4P/2PQBB1R/6RK b - - 0 2

don't worry, Louis.

take all the time you need.

this is an analysis session, so you might post after 3, 5, 12 or 24 hours.

but you should be aware that taking a recess to amply analyse this with SF won't help, as plans are very deep.

[zullil]

Nh4:

[d]6rr/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P1N/P1P4P/2PQBB1R/6RK b - - 0 2

don't worry, Louis.

take all the time you need.

this is an analysis session, so you might post after 3, 5, 12 or 24 hours.

but you should be aware that taking a recess to amply analyse this with SF won't help, as plans are very deep.

OK, we squeezed in one more move.

AsmFish plays 26... Qf8 and is now shutting down for a while.
[D] 5qrr/pk2n1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P1N/P1P4P/2PQBB1R/6RK w - - 5 27

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-0.46  26... Qf8 27. g6 h5 28. Bf3 Qe8 29. Rhg2 Rh6 30. Rb1 Rgh8 31. Rbg1 Nb8 32. Rg5 Kc8 33. Be3 Qb5 34. Qc1 Na6 35. R5g2 Nc7 36. Bf2 Qe8 37. Kh2 Kb7 38. Rg5 Kb8 39. Kh1 Nc6 40. Qb2 Kb7 41. Kh2 Qd7 42. Qc1 Nb5 43. Qd2 Kb8 44. Ra1 Ne7 45. Rg2 Nc7 46. Rg5 Na6 47. Kh1 Kb7 48. Rag1 Qe8 49. Qc1 Rg8 50. Be2 Nc7 51. Qd2 Qb5 52. Qc1 (depth 52, 0:25:09)

-0.46 26... Qe8 27. g6 h5 28. Rhg2 Nb8 29. Rg5 Rh6 30. Bf3 Na6 31. Rb1 Rhh8 32. Qe2 Kb8 33. Be3 Rh6 34. Kh2 Nc7 35. Qd2 Nc6 36. Ra1 Rgh8 37. Bf2 Qf8 38. Rg2 Qc8 39. Rag1 Qa6 40. Ra1 Ne7 41. Rgg1 Nb5 42. Rg2 Qa5 43. Be1 Rd8 44. Kg1 Qa6 45. Bf2 Qc8 46. Rg5 Nc6 47. Kh2 Rdh8 48. Rag1 Qd7 49. Ra1 Ne7 50. Rg2 Qe8 51. Rg5 Nc7 52. Rb1 (depth 52, 0:25:09)

-0.20 26... Nc8 27. g6 Qe8 28. Bh5 Ka8 29. Qc1 N6e7 30. Rhg2 Bd7 31. Nf3 b5 32. Rf1 Nb6 33. Ng1 Na4 34. Ne2 Qd8 35. Bh4 Be8 36. Qe3 a6 37. Rfg1 Kb8 38. Kh2 Bc6 39. Qc1 Kb7 40. Kh1 Re8 41. Bf3 Qc7 42. Qd2 Nb6 43. Bf2 Reg8 44. Bh5 Qd8 45. Qc1 Be8 46. Kh2 Na4 47. h4 Nc6 48. Qa1 Nb6 49. Kh1 Qe7 50. Bf3 h5 51. Rg5 Rh6 52. Kh2 (depth 52, 0:25:09)

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Nh4:

[d]6rr/pk2nqp1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P1N/P1P4P/2PQBB1R/6RK b - - 0 2

don't worry, Louis.

take all the time you need.

this is an analysis session, so you might post after 3, 5, 12 or 24 hours.

but you should be aware that taking a recess to amply analyse this with SF won't help, as plans are very deep.

OK, we squeezed in one more move.

AsmFish plays 26... Qf8 and is now shutting down for a while.
[D] 5qrr/pk2n1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P1N/P1P4P/2PQBB1R/6RK w - - 5 27

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-0.46  26... Qf8 27. g6 h5 28. Bf3 Qe8 29. Rhg2 Rh6 30. Rb1 Rgh8 31. Rbg1 Nb8 32. Rg5 Kc8 33. Be3 Qb5 34. Qc1 Na6 35. R5g2 Nc7 36. Bf2 Qe8 37. Kh2 Kb7 38. Rg5 Kb8 39. Kh1 Nc6 40. Qb2 Kb7 41. Kh2 Qd7 42. Qc1 Nb5 43. Qd2 Kb8 44. Ra1 Ne7 45. Rg2 Nc7 46. Rg5 Na6 47. Kh1 Kb7 48. Rag1 Qe8 49. Qc1 Rg8 50. Be2 Nc7 51. Qd2 Qb5 52. Qc1 (depth 52, 0:25:09)

-0.46 26... Qe8 27. g6 h5 28. Rhg2 Nb8 29. Rg5 Rh6 30. Bf3 Na6 31. Rb1 Rhh8 32. Qe2 Kb8 33. Be3 Rh6 34. Kh2 Nc7 35. Qd2 Nc6 36. Ra1 Rgh8 37. Bf2 Qf8 38. Rg2 Qc8 39. Rag1 Qa6 40. Ra1 Ne7 41. Rgg1 Nb5 42. Rg2 Qa5 43. Be1 Rd8 44. Kg1 Qa6 45. Bf2 Qc8 46. Rg5 Nc6 47. Kh2 Rdh8 48. Rag1 Qd7 49. Ra1 Ne7 50. Rg2 Qe8 51. Rg5 Nc7 52. Rb1 (depth 52, 0:25:09)

-0.20 26... Nc8 27. g6 Qe8 28. Bh5 Ka8 29. Qc1 N6e7 30. Rhg2 Bd7 31. Nf3 b5 32. Rf1 Nb6 33. Ng1 Na4 34. Ne2 Qd8 35. Bh4 Be8 36. Qe3 a6 37. Rfg1 Kb8 38. Kh2 Bc6 39. Qc1 Kb7 40. Kh1 Re8 41. Bf3 Qc7 42. Qd2 Nb6 43. Bf2 Reg8 44. Bh5 Qd8 45. Qc1 Be8 46. Kh2 Na4 47. h4 Nc6 48. Qa1 Nb6 49. Kh1 Qe7 50. Bf3 h5 51. Rg5 Rh6 52. Kh2 (depth 52, 0:25:09)

Ng2:

[d]5qrr/pk2n1p1/1pn1p2p/3pPpP1/b1pP1P2/P1P4P/2PQBBNR/6RK b - - 0 3

[Werewolf]

So is there any antidote to the simple:

7.f4 Qa5 8.Bd2 cd 9.cd Qa4 10.Nf3 b6 11.c4 Qd1 12.Rd1 dc 13.Bc4 Bb7 and black is fine I think.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

So is there any antidote to the simple:

7.f4 Qa5 8.Bd2 cd 9.cd Qa4 10.Nf3 b6 11.c4 Qd1 12.Rd1 dc 13.Bc4 Bb7 and black is fine I think.

there are many antidotes, white can play c3 in stead of c4, with clearly better game, or even earlier Nf3 instead of Bd2, etc., but I can not play multiple games at the same time.

will be waiting for Louis to return in half a light year or so, to finish the game, and then we will see what happens.

[mbabigian]

so far, for the f4 line I have:

f4 b6 Bb5 Bd7 Bd3 Ba4 Nf3 a6(to change bishops via b5 with draw) Rb1 Nd7 0-0 c4 Be2 0-0 g4:

[d]r2q1rk1/3nnppp/pp2p3/3pP3/b1pP1PP1/P1P2N2/2P1B2P/1RBQ1RK1 b - g3 0 9

and white has almost won

any suggestions for improvements for black?

I think I can draw this line as well. So again, I suspect the line is not busted and that a high white eval is not warranted. However, after white's Nf3, I'd play Nbc6

[d]r2qk2r/p3nppp/1pn1p3/2ppP3/b2P1P2/P1PB1N2/2P3PP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 11

Your turn.