Revised chess.com handicap match

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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[pgn][Event "Blitz 45m+30s-45m+30s"]
[Site "Potomac"]
[Date "2017.08.21"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo 1918.00 64-bit"]
[Black "Rensch, Danny"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1rbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/1PPPPPPP/1NBQKBNR w Kk - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "123"]
[TimeControl "45' + 30"]

{6144MB, Book2016.ctg, 24core} 1. e4 {-0.56/27 96} d5 {335} 2. exd5 {-0.54/28
64} Qxd5 {298} 3. Nf3 {-0.73/32 0} Nf6 {108} 4. Nc3 {-0.80/32 34} Qa5 {110} 5.
Bd3 {-0.83/33 261} g6 {146 (e5)} 6. O-O {-0.76/30 106} Bg7 {259} 7. Bb5+ {
-0.95/32 0} Bd7 {229 (c6)} 8. Bxd7+ {-0.87/29 56} Nxd7 {36} 9. Re1 {-1.06/29 28
} e6 {56} 10. Ne4 {-1.12/31 134} O-O {57} 11. h4 {-1.23/31 116} Nf6 {261 (Rfe8)
} 12. Nxf6+ {-1.12/31 107} Bxf6 {23} 13. d3 {-1.31/31 62} Rbd8 {162 (Bg7)} 14.
Bd2 {-1.24/31 86} Qd5 {319 (Qb6)} 15. Qc1 {-1.22/32 219} Bh8 {322 (Bg7)} 16.
Bf4 {-1.27/30 163} c5 {38} 17. Be5 {-1.31/33 103} f6 {36 (c4)} 18. Bc3 {
-1.21/31 62} b5 {52} 19. Qe3 {-1.52/31 94} Rfe8 {174 (b4)} 20. b3 {-1.56/30 91}
c4 {151 (Bg7)} 21. dxc4 {-1.40/32 60} bxc4 {16} 22. b4 {-1.52/32 25} Rd7 {
122 (e5)} 23. Ra1 {-1.25/31 58} Ree7 {226 (Bg7)} 24. Qe2 {-1.37/31 98} e5 {
98 (Bg7)} 25. Nd2 {-1.84/32 143} Rc7 {14 (f5)} 26. Ra5 {-0.82/30 59} Qf7 {22}
27. h5 {-0.76/30 25} Red7 {48 (e4)} 28. hxg6 {0} hxg6 {-0.74/28 0} 29. Ra6 {0}
Re7 {0} 30. Ne4 {-0.67/31 44} Re6 {3} 31. Ra5 {-0.81/33 114} Bg7 {3 (Rb6)} 32.
Rd5 {-0.28/24 1} Bf8 {124} 33. Qd1 {-0.58/30 8} Kg7 {93 (Be7)} 34. g4 {0.00/36
25} Kg8 {55 (Be7)} 35. g5 {0.05/33 39} f5 {12} 36. Nf6+ {0.00/34 11} Rxf6 {9}
37. gxf6 {0.00/37 7} Qxf6 {5} 38. Rxe5 {0.00/39 30} Qg5+ {57} 39. Kf1 {0.00/41
0} Re7 {106 (Qh4)} 40. Qd5+ {0.96/29 29} Kh7 {12} 41. Rxe7+ {0.98/30 12} Qxe7 {
60} 42. Qxc4 {0.88/32 0} Bg7 {27 (Qd7)} 43. Be1 {0.83/30 39} g5 {23 (Qd7)} 44.
b5 {0.88/30 24} g4 {45 (Qd7)} 45. Qd5 {0.18/33 62} Kg6 {211 (Qe5)} 46. Bd2 {
0.55/30 32} Bf6 {58 (Be5)} 47. Be3 {2.86/29 14} Bg5 {43 (Bc3)} 48. Bc5 {
4.19/30 34} Qc7 {26 (Qf6)} 49. Qg8+ {250.00/26 9} Kh5 {32 (Kh6)} 50. Qe8+ {
250.00/34 4} Kh6 {18} 51. Qe6+ {250.00/31 0} Kh5 {31} 52. Qxf5 {250.00/38 0}
Qb7 {18} 53. Be3 {250.00/37 0} Qe7 {129 (Qh1+)} 54. Bxg5 {250.00/28 20} Qxg5 {
16} 55. Qh7+ {250.00/30 0} Qh6 {18} 56. Qxh6+ {250.00/32 0} Kxh6 {12} 57. c4 {
250.00/33 0} Kg5 {15 (Kg7)} 58. c5 {250.00/33 4} Kf6 {16 (Kf5)} 59. b6 {
250.00/31 5} axb6 {22 (Ke6)} 60. cxb6 {250.00/30 4} Ke6 {16} 61. b7 {1/0 0} Kd7
{22} 62. b8=Q {1/0 0} 1-0[/pgn]
JJJ
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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Maybe no blunder but many innacurency. Danny quickly played defensive with material advantage. I don't think it's good. I think you need a top 10 GM to win this handicap match.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

JJJ wrote:Maybe no blunder but many innacurency. Danny quickly played defensive with material advantage. I don't think it's good. I think you need a top 10 GM to win this handicap match.
1...d5 opens the game, when with less minors you would like to first close it
11...Nf6 seems not good, h5 seems much better
15...Bh8 is extremely strange, seemingly e5 or h5 are much stronger
17...f6 is also strange, why not change bishops

this is just without board, maybe I make here some mistakes either.

advantage is big, but playing with rook for minor against engine is awkward.
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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JJJ wrote:Maybe no blunder but many innacurency. Danny quickly played defensive with material advantage. I don't think it's good. I think you need a top 10 GM to win this handicap match.
I propose this setup against GM level strength.

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JJJ
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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Nordlandia wrote:
JJJ wrote:Maybe no blunder but many innacurency. Danny quickly played defensive with material advantage. I don't think it's good. I think you need a top 10 GM to win this handicap match.
I propose this setup against GM level strength.

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Seems enough to get 50% odds
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
JJJ wrote:Maybe no blunder but many innacurency. Danny quickly played defensive with material advantage. I don't think it's good. I think you need a top 10 GM to win this handicap match.
1...d5 opens the game, when with less minors you would like to first close it
11...Nf6 seems not good, h5 seems much better
15...Bh8 is extremely strange, seemingly e5 or h5 are much stronger
17...f6 is also strange, why not change bishops

this is just without board, maybe I make here some mistakes either.

advantage is big, but playing with rook for minor against engine is awkward.
I m way below GM level, but to me BH8 was very bad.
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
JJJ wrote:Maybe no blunder but many innacurency. Danny quickly played defensive with material advantage. I don't think it's good. I think you need a top 10 GM to win this handicap match.
1...d5 opens the game, when with less minors you would like to first close it
11...Nf6 seems not good, h5 seems much better
15...Bh8 is extremely strange, seemingly e5 or h5 are much stronger
17...f6 is also strange, why not change bishops

this is just without board, maybe I make here some mistakes either.

advantage is big, but playing with rook for minor against engine is awkward.
I don't agree about the first move, I think it was excellent. His advantage grew very much in the first 15 or so moves. Rooks need open files, so I don't know whiy you think he should try to close the position.
Komodo rules!
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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lkaufman wrote: I don't agree about the first move, I think it was excellent. His advantage grew very much in the first 15 or so moves. Rooks need open files, so I don't know whiy you think he should try to close the position.
His biggest mistake was taking so much time to play the first few moves as he described his plans to the audience.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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lkaufman wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
JJJ wrote:Maybe no blunder but many innacurency. Danny quickly played defensive with material advantage. I don't think it's good. I think you need a top 10 GM to win this handicap match.
1...d5 opens the game, when with less minors you would like to first close it
11...Nf6 seems not good, h5 seems much better
15...Bh8 is extremely strange, seemingly e5 or h5 are much stronger
17...f6 is also strange, why not change bishops

this is just without board, maybe I make here some mistakes either.

advantage is big, but playing with rook for minor against engine is awkward.
I don't agree about the first move, I think it was excellent. His advantage grew very much in the first 15 or so moves. Rooks need open files, so I don't know whiy you think he should try to close the position.
I don't know, that is my experience in playing similar setups.

possibly, as rooks develop slower in the opening, opening the game will mean the side with more rooks will have less pieces developed for some time pitted against enemy's well-developed minors, which might be dangerous in a range of situations.

of course, everything will depend on the particular setup.

closing the game, on the other hand, will give sufficient time for the rooks to develop, something like that, never played many games like this.
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Re: Revised chess.com handicap match

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Danny lost game two, that's too bad he made a big blunder.