Houdini 6 has been released

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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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Vinvin wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:Someone check if H6 is able to convert +1 advantage in this endgame fabricated by John Nunn (Nunn used this position against engines 10 years ago)

[d]8/pppr1kpp/8/8/8/5P2/PPP1RKPP/8 w - - 0 0
1) Is this position winning or draw ?
2) Are humans able to win with white against top engines ?
3) Are humans able to draw with black against top engines ?
1> Hard to say, +1 does not mean winning.
2> I find it hard to believe that Carlsen can win this endgame with white against Houdini 6.
3> No way, not even Nakamura with engine match experience.
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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Really no point buying a Chess Engine nowadays, whether Komodo or Houdini as the top 3 Engines are roughly of the same strength. Stockfish has taken the fun out of competitive engine chess.
As Lyudmil Tsvetkov said in a Post in the Tournament section, there is no point buying a Chess Engine unless it is at least 50 ELO ahead of the nearest competitor.
Fully agree.
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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shrapnel wrote:Really no point...
Computer chess will die if everybody follows what you suggest.
Luckily many people are more generous and astute than you.

While commercial engines benefit from SF being open-source, also SF development is largely driven by the competition with Houdini and Komodo. Without competition the SF development would die as well (there's little drive when you're 200 Elo ahead of the rest...).

If you really care for computer chess (and I assume you do, since you spend time on this forum), you should consider supporting commercial chess engines.

To end on a positive note, here's the current standing in the IPON tournament after nearly 3000 games:

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Houdini 6 - Komodo 11.2.2 (3315)    113.0 - 87.0  56.50%  Perf=3360
Houdini 6 - Stockfish 8 (3299)      109.5 - 90.5  54.75%  Perf=3332
Houdini 6 - Shredder 13 (3120)      156.5 - 43.5  78.25%  Perf=3342
Houdini 6 - Fizbo 1.9 (3070)        163.5 - 36.5  81.75%  Perf=3330
Houdini 6 - Ginkgo 2.0 (3062)       166.5 - 32.5  83.67%  Perf=3345
Houdini 6 - Gull 3 (3056)           172.0 - 28.0  86.00%  Perf=3371
Houdini 6 - Booot 6.2 (3028)        175.0 - 25.0  87.50%  Perf=3366
Houdini 6 - Jonny 8.00 (3025)       171.5 - 27.5  86.18%  Perf=3342
Houdini 6 - Andscacs 0.90 (3023)    178.0 - 22.0  89.00%  Perf=3386
Houdini 6 - Equinox 3.30 (3006)     177.0 - 22.0  88.94%  Perf=3368
Houdini 6 - Fritz 15 (2995)         179.0 - 20.0  89.95%  Perf=3375
Houdini 6 - Chiron 4 (2994)         178.0 - 22.0  89.00%  Perf=3357
Houdini 6 - Critter 1.6a (2993)     178.5 - 20.5  89.70%  Perf=3368
Houdini 6 - Nirvanachess 2.4 (2967) 177.5 - 20.5  89.65%  Perf=3341
Houdini 6 - Hannibal 1.7 (2960)     173.0 - 27.0  86.50%  Perf=3282
                                   2468.5 - 524.5 82.48%  Perf=3330

2993 out of 3300 games played
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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You should make a version for Android or at the very least make the engine available to purchase as a import option for various apps like ChessBase online or Droidfish. I don't use desktop versions of engines and all study/research is done with high powered Android mobiles.
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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Houdini wrote:
shrapnel wrote:Really no point...
Computer chess will die if everybody follows what you suggest.
Luckily many people are more generous and astute than you.

While commercial engines benefit from SF being open-source, also SF development is largely driven by the competition with Houdini and Komodo. Without competition the SF development would die as well (there's little drive when you're 200 Elo ahead of the rest...).

If you really care for computer chess (and I assume you do, since you spend time on this forum), you should consider supporting commercial chess engines.

To end on a positive note, here's the current standing in the IPON tournament after nearly 3000 games:

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Houdini 6 - Komodo 11.2.2 (3315)    113.0 - 87.0  56.50%  Perf=3360
Houdini 6 - Stockfish 8 (3299)      109.5 - 90.5  54.75%  Perf=3332
Houdini 6 - Shredder 13 (3120)      156.5 - 43.5  78.25%  Perf=3342
Houdini 6 - Fizbo 1.9 (3070)        163.5 - 36.5  81.75%  Perf=3330
Houdini 6 - Ginkgo 2.0 (3062)       166.5 - 32.5  83.67%  Perf=3345
Houdini 6 - Gull 3 (3056)           172.0 - 28.0  86.00%  Perf=3371
Houdini 6 - Booot 6.2 (3028)        175.0 - 25.0  87.50%  Perf=3366
Houdini 6 - Jonny 8.00 (3025)       171.5 - 27.5  86.18%  Perf=3342
Houdini 6 - Andscacs 0.90 (3023)    178.0 - 22.0  89.00%  Perf=3386
Houdini 6 - Equinox 3.30 (3006)     177.0 - 22.0  88.94%  Perf=3368
Houdini 6 - Fritz 15 (2995)         179.0 - 20.0  89.95%  Perf=3375
Houdini 6 - Chiron 4 (2994)         178.0 - 22.0  89.00%  Perf=3357
Houdini 6 - Critter 1.6a (2993)     178.5 - 20.5  89.70%  Perf=3368
Houdini 6 - Nirvanachess 2.4 (2967) 177.5 - 20.5  89.65%  Perf=3341
Houdini 6 - Hannibal 1.7 (2960)     173.0 - 27.0  86.50%  Perf=3282
                                   2468.5 - 524.5 82.48%  Perf=3330

2993 out of 3300 games played
As of now, it can be said that in the final IPON list Houdini 6 will come at 39 +/- 3 ELO points above Komodo 11.2.2, and 54 +/- 3 ELO points above Stockfish 8, both predictions with 95% confidence. Impressive! I don't see a very high Contempt to inflate the rating of Houdini 6 now, as I didn't see that in "mystery" engine of one week ago. Both Stockfish dev and Komodo will need several months (say 3-8) to catch up to this result, when their new incarnations will appear on IPON, so Houdini 6 will stay as the leader on IPON for awhile.
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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correction ... since version 5.

Version 5 is great for me because I like engines with tactical strengths and an aggressive style with many pieces on board. The work Robert do since around version 3 is enormous. So today Houdini is for me an own engine and has nothing todo with a clone.

Maybe Houdini is the most aggressive engine today. Sure, v6 will be great for us.
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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Don't forget Kai, it is Komodo 11.2.2 here, not the dev one, I m sure they have made progress already :)
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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JJJ wrote:Don't forget Kai, it is Komodo 11.2.2 here, not the dev one, I m sure they have made progress already :)
Don`t forget +39 elo is a lot xD
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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Weak Queen test position.

H6 as white vs K11.2.2 as black.

Someone arrange match with either 30m+30s or 15m+30s and share results.

[d]3r2k1/pbpp2p1/1p2p2p/2b1Pr2/2P2PnP/P7/1P2Q1P1/R1B1K2R b KQ - 0 1
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

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Houdini wrote:
shrapnel wrote:Really no point...
Computer chess will die if everybody follows what you suggest.
Luckily many people are more generous and astute than you.

While commercial engines benefit from SF being open-source, also SF development is largely driven by the competition with Houdini and Komodo. Without competition the SF development would die as well (there's little drive when you're 200 Elo ahead of the rest...).

If you really care for computer chess (and I assume you do, since you spend time on this forum), you should consider supporting commercial chess engines.

To end on a positive note, here's the current standing in the IPON tournament after nearly 3000 games:

Code: Select all

Houdini 6 - Komodo 11.2.2 (3315)    113.0 - 87.0  56.50%  Perf=3360
Houdini 6 - Stockfish 8 (3299)      109.5 - 90.5  54.75%  Perf=3332
Houdini 6 - Shredder 13 (3120)      156.5 - 43.5  78.25%  Perf=3342
Houdini 6 - Fizbo 1.9 (3070)        163.5 - 36.5  81.75%  Perf=3330
Houdini 6 - Ginkgo 2.0 (3062)       166.5 - 32.5  83.67%  Perf=3345
Houdini 6 - Gull 3 (3056)           172.0 - 28.0  86.00%  Perf=3371
Houdini 6 - Booot 6.2 (3028)        175.0 - 25.0  87.50%  Perf=3366
Houdini 6 - Jonny 8.00 (3025)       171.5 - 27.5  86.18%  Perf=3342
Houdini 6 - Andscacs 0.90 (3023)    178.0 - 22.0  89.00%  Perf=3386
Houdini 6 - Equinox 3.30 (3006)     177.0 - 22.0  88.94%  Perf=3368
Houdini 6 - Fritz 15 (2995)         179.0 - 20.0  89.95%  Perf=3375
Houdini 6 - Chiron 4 (2994)         178.0 - 22.0  89.00%  Perf=3357
Houdini 6 - Critter 1.6a (2993)     178.5 - 20.5  89.70%  Perf=3368
Houdini 6 - Nirvanachess 2.4 (2967) 177.5 - 20.5  89.65%  Perf=3341
Houdini 6 - Hannibal 1.7 (2960)     173.0 - 27.0  86.50%  Perf=3282
                                   2468.5 - 524.5 82.48%  Perf=3330

2993 out of 3300 games played
Very, very impressive! Houdini 6 is a monster!!! Congratulations for programming the strongest engine in the world (today).
At the moment, Houdini 6 seems to be +65 Elo stronger than Houdini 5.01. WOW! :shock:

Stefan (SPCC)