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AlphaZero beats AlphaGo Zero, Stockfish, and Elmo
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Lyudmil Tsvetkov



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PostPost subject: Re: AlphaZero beats AlphaGo Zero, Stockfish, and Elmo    Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:00 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

Uri Blass wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
kranium wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
clumma wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
Alpha had considerable hardware advantage


That comparison is not straightforward, but this claim does not seem to be true. SF had 64 threads. I'm not up on the latest scaling behavior of the engine but that has got to be near saturation.

-Carl


From what I gleaned from hardware comparisons, the advantage is 16/1.
Why would one want to run a similar very unfair match?
Only one thing comes to mind: that the company will want to advertise its colossal breakthrough with TPUs and artificial intelligence and then sell its products.

But then, the achievement is not there.


The fact that Google has created a chess playing entity that crushes SF is notable (and fascinating).

TPUs are not for sale, and (at the moment) are applied only to Googles deep learning and research projects,
except when Google donates them to research for free.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/17/the-tensorflow-research-cloud-program-gives-the-latest-cloud-tpus-to-scientists/


What would be the score between SF on 64 cores and SF on 1024 cores out of 100 games?
You think the bigger-hardware SF would score less than 64 points?
I guess at least 80.

So what is so new?
They applied some big hardware, that is all.
The real strength of Alpha is 2850, so around spot 97 or so among engines.
97 is not such a bad achievement, after all.


I doubt if SF on 1024 cores is going to score even 50%
Maybe after some point more cores are counter productive for stockfish.

I also doubt if it is possible to get at least 80 points against stockfish with 64 cores at 1 minute per move.


Why not?
How much would SF 16-cores vs SF single core score, that is easily reproducible.
The experts claim the TPUs lack any SMP inefficiencies.


If you give the engines 10 minutes per move then I doubt so they play almost perfect chess then I guess that you will get less than 80% and 1 minute per move for 64 cores is probably stronger than 10 minutes per move for the 1 core.


Actually, the hardware advantage + simulated opening book(very important, as SF lost most games already in the opening), was close to 50/1, so how will SF 50 cores fare against SF single core?

Certainly somewhere 95% or so.
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