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Ian Osgood



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PostPost subject: Re: AlphaZero beats AlphaGo Zero, Stockfish, and Elmo    Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:30 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

The computer shogi community is expressing similar concerns about the selection of opponent (Elmo), engine configuration, and match methodology:

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Some concerns on the matching conditions between AlphaZero and Shogi engine

December 6, 2017

After the publication of the paper (D. Silver et. al. "Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm", arXiv:1712.01815), there appeared a few concerns from the community of computer shogi programmers on the matching conditions between AlphaZero and Shogi engine “elmo”. Here I summarize the points with some explanations. (Informations will be updated if error is found).

1. Resignation point seems too narrow. In the recent software, the evaluation tends to give larger value compared with the chess programs. Many people feel that -900 centipawns is too small for Shogi programs. I guess that the acceptable value would be -3000 to -5000. In the official matches such as World Computer Shogi Competition (http://www2.computer-shogi.org/index_e.html), they do not set the resignation point and wait until the program resigns. After 256 plies, the game is judged as "draw" even if the evaluation is one-sided.

2. It is strange to set "EnteringKingRule" to "NoEnteringKing". In the recent matches between shogi software, Entering King frequently occurs and the treatment is critical to the match results. When both kings enter the the other's territory, Yaneuraou counts the number of pieces and declare to win if it has enough pieces. It is not clear if AlphaZero has this functionality. I guess that it will be preferrable to be set to the default "CSARule27".

3. Hash size may be too low and tricky. In YaneuraOu 2017 Early, there are two setting on Hash size. One is "Hash" which is set to 16 MB by default and "USI Hash" whose default value 1024MB. In YaneuraOu, the latter value is not used and the former one is important. If "Hash" is kept to the default value, I observe that program becomes very weak. In the matching condition (35MNode per move), even 1GB may be too low. It will be more appropriate if it is set to bigger value.

Finally I would like to mention that 2017 is a dog year for shogi engines and we have plenty of programs which are much stronger than elmo. For instance, the winner program "Heisei shogi gassen ponpoko" ("ponpoko" in short) in Shogi Denno Tounament (http://denou.jp/tournament2017/), overrates elmo by R150. This program is available at https://github.com/nodchip/hakubishin-/releases as "tanuki-sdt5-2017-11-16". It is also known that Apery_sdt5 has even stronger evaluation file (available at https://t.co/S7q7XlW4dG), (R200 stronger than elmo). Currently the strongest evaluation file is "aperypaq" which is an improvement of Apery_sdt5 (available at http://qhapaq.hatenablog.com/entry/2017/11/28/195426). (R250 stronger than elmo). These should be combined with YanuraOu. I hope that the authors may test these programs before declaring AlphaZero beats currently available shogi programs.


Source: http://www.uuunuuun.com/single-post/2017/12/07/Some-concerns-on-the-matching-conditions-between-AlphaZero-and-Shogi-engine
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