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Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions.
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Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions.
The time per move and hardware etc was fair.
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Google set it up to give Alpha Zero an edge.
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Richard Delorme



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PostPost subject: Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions.    Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:32 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

Milos wrote:
To make it fair, one could run SF on smaller Haswell for the search (the same one they used for Alpha0), and using 10 Xilinx UltraScale+ FPGA chips for running evaluation, each chips consuming 20W, and running move generator and 100 evaluation terms in parallel on like 300MHz in lets say 10clock cycles (including movegen). This would be DeepBlue effort but on today's cutting-edge hardware and software. In that way SF system would still consume 300W, but have 30Bnps on 10 cores performance. I can immediately tell you that it would be at least 400-500Elo stronger than current SF.

What do you put on the FPGA, just the eval? the eval + qs search? the upper part of the search? with the hash table ? How would you make it parallel? Maybe you could reach 30 Bnps, but I doubt it will be with the same efficiency than in current SF search.
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Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Leo Anger Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:15 am
      Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Anil V Dharan Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:47 am
            Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Lonnie Cook Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:46 pm
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                  Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Robin Messemer Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:25 am
                        Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Milos Stanisavljevic Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:37 am
                              Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Branko Radovanovic Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:06 pm
                                    Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Milos Stanisavljevic Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:29 pm
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                              Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Branko Radovanovic Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:35 pm
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                  Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:08 pm
                        Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Milos Stanisavljevic Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:12 pm
                              Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Robin Messemer Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:44 pm
                                    Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Milos Stanisavljevic Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:05 pm
                                          Re: Alpha Zero vs Stockfish 8 tournament conditions. Robin Messemer Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:17 pm
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