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Michael B



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PostPost subject: Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta    Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:59 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

MikeGL wrote:
kranium wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
It is not at all clear to me where were books used and where not.


I'm sure opening books were not used...
In the early self-play games things like 1.a3, 1.a4, etc. were probably tried by AlphaZero...
eventually it learned that 1. e4 or 1. d4 had the highest success rates.


Books or no books, I think AlphaZero would still demolish SF8.
Just look at this game 9, it was a decent French Defence by SF8, but it was dismantled with
amazing tactical and strategic shots by AlphaZero which seems to be beyond the reach of alpha-beta engines.


[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2017.12.06"]
[Round "9"]
[White "AlphaZero"]
[Black "Stockfish"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/1260:300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "103"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "human"]

1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 cxd4 7. Nb5 Bb4+ 8.
Bd2 Bc5 9. b4 Be7 10. Nbxd4 Nc6 11. c3 a5 12. b5 Nxd4 13. cxd4 Nb6 14. a4
Nc4 15. Bd3 Nxd2 16. Kxd2 Bd7 17. Ke3 b6 18. g4 h5 19. Qg1 hxg4 20. Qxg4
Bf8 21. h4 Qe7 22. Rhc1 g6 23. Rc2 Kd8 24. Rac1 Qe8 25. Rc7 Rc8 26. Rxc8+
Bxc8 27. Rc6 Bb7 28. Rc2 Kd7 29. Ng5 Be7 30. Bxg6 Bxg5 31. Qxg5 fxg6 32. f5
Rg8 33. Qh6 Qf7 34. f6 Kd8 35. Kd2 Kd7 36. Rc1 Kd8 37. Qe3 Qf8 38. Qc3 Qb4
39. Qxb4 axb4 40. Rg1 b3 41. Kc3 Bc8 42. Kxb3 Bd7 43. Kb4 Be8 44. Ra1 Kc7
45. a5 Bd7 46. axb6+ Kxb6 47. Ra6+ Kb7 48. Kc5 Rd8 49. Ra2 Rc8+ 50. Kd6 Be8
51. Ke7 g5 52. hxg5 1-0


not sure if 18.g4!, 30.Bxg6! and other would be found by current engines.

[d]r2qk2r/3bbppp/1p2p3/pP1pP3/P2P1P2/3BKN2/6PP/R2Q3R w kq - 0 18
BR ::    BQ BK ::    BR
::    :: BB BB BP BP BP
   BP    :: BP ::    ::
BP WP :: BP WP    ::    
WP ::    WP    WP    ::
::    :: WB WK WN ::    
   ::    ::    :: WP WP
WR    :: WQ ::    :: WR

After 17...b6 of black, can some engine consider 18.g4! in this position?



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[d]4q2r/1b1kbp2/1p2p1p1/pP1pP1N1/P2P1PQP/3BK3/2R5/8 w - - 6 30
   ::    :: BQ ::    BR
:: BB :: BK BB BP ::    
   BP    :: BP :: BP ::
BP WP :: BP WP    WN    
WP ::    WP    WP WQ WP
::    :: WB WK    ::    
   :: WR ::    ::    ::
::    ::    ::    ::    

After 29...Be7, can current engines consider 30.Bxg6! here?


Would be nice if we can try to feed some difficult epd positions into AlphaZero,
to estimate its ELO strength.


Hi Mike - nice positions for sure - near Final Release dev SF-McB - running on 12 cores with 18 threads. This version is more correlated to Corchess than into past - the very excellent SF fork created by Ivan Ivec designed for correspondence chess , the first position is way too hard

Code:
dep   score   nodes   time   (not shown:  tbhits   knps   seldep)
 42   +0.91!   14.8G   11:12.14   Bxg6!
 41   +0.80    14.5G   10:55.80   Bxg6 Bxg5 Qxg5 fxg6 f5 Rg8 f6 Qf7 Qh6 Kd8 Kd2 Qd7 Kd1 Qf7 Rc3 Re8 Ke2 Rg8 Qc1 Qd7 Qa3 Ke8 Kd1 g5 hxg5 Rxg5 Rh3 Rg8 Qd3 Qf7 Ke2 Kd8 Qa3 Qf8 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Rh7 Bc8 Kf3 Bd7 Rg7 Be8 Rb7 Rh8 Rxb6 Rh4 Rd6+ Kc8 Rxe6 Bh5+ Ke3 Re4+ Kd3
 41   +0.65!   13.8G   10:23.22   Bxg6!
 41   +0.39?   13.2G   9:57.51   Bxg6 Bxg5?
 41   +0.74!   12.3G   9:14.22   Bxg6!
 41   +0.62!   11.9G   8:58.22   Bxg6!
 41   +0.55!   11.7G   8:48.89   Bxg6!
 40   +0.47    10.8G   8:06.15   Bxg6 Bxg5 Qxg5 fxg6 f5 Rg8 f6 Qf7 Qh6 Kd8 Kd2 Qd7 Kd3 Qf7 Qc1 Rh8 Qa3 Qf8 Qxf8+ Rxf8 Rg2 Rh8 Rxg6 Ke8 Ke3 Bc8 h5 Bd7 h6 Rh7 Rg8+ Kf7 Rb8 Rxh6 Rb7 Ke8 Rxb6 Rh3+ Kf2 Ra3 Rb8+ Kf7 Rb7 Ke8 f7+ Kxf7 Rxd7+ Ke8 Ra7 Rxa4 Ke3 Kd8 Ra6 Ke7
 40   +0.42!   9.26G   6:58.64   Bxg6!
 40   +0.26!   8.80G   6:37.81   Bxg6!
 40   +0.15!   8.77G   6:36.60   Bxg6!
 40   +0.07!   8.53G   6:25.78   Bxg6!
 39     0.00    5.80G   4:21.54   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 38     0.00    3.97G   2:59.62   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 37     0.00    3.02G   2:16.14   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 36     0.00    543.9M   0:24.94   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 35     0.00    445.5M   0:20.48   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 34     0.00    335.9M   0:15.50   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 33     0.00    283.5M   0:13.15   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 32     0.00    241.8M   0:11.24   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 31     0.00    219.0M   0:10.20   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qb1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 30     0.00    203.9M   0:09.51   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qf1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 29     0.00    134.7M   0:06.33   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Rg8 Ke2 Bb4 f5 exf5 Qxf5+ Qxf5 Bxf5+ Kd8 h6 Rg2+ Ke3 Rxc2 Bxc2 Bf8 h7 Bg7 Kf4 Bc8 Bg6 Ke7 Kg5 Be6 Bf5 Bxf5 Kxf5 Bh8 Kf4 Bg7 Kg5 Kf7 Kf5 Ke7 Kg6 Bh8 Kh5 Kf7 Kh6 Bg7+ Kg5 Bh8 Kf5
 28     0.00    128.0M   0:06.02   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Rg8 Ke2 Bb4 Kf3 Be7 Ke2
 27     0.00    93.2M     0:04.41   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qf1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 26     0.00    86.7M     0:04.11   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 Qxd5+ Ke7 Qc6 Qd2+ Kf3 Qd1+ Ke4 Qg4+ Ke3 Qg1+ Kd3 Qf1+ Ke3 Qe1+ Kd3 Qd1+ Ke4
 25     0.00    73.4M     0:03.50   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Ba3 Ke2 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Rxc8+ Bxc8 Qf3 Bb4 e7+ Bxe7 Qxd5+ Kc7 Qf7 Qg5 Be4 Kd8 Kd3 Qg4 Qd5+ Bd7 Qa8+ Bc8 Qd5+
 25   +0.11?   63.9M     0:03.07   Nxe6 fxe6?
 24   +0.93    39.6M     0:01.96   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Rg8 Ke2 Qg7 f5 Qh6 Kf3 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Qf4 Qg7 Qf7 Qxf7+ exf7 Rxc2 Bxc2 Bf8 Kg4 Ke7 Kg5 Kxf7 Bg6+ Kg8 Kf6 Bc8 Bf7+ Kh7 Be6 Bb7 Bf5+ Kh6 e6 Bc8 Kf7 Bb4 e7 Bxe7 Bxc8 Bb4 Ke6 Kxh5 Kxd5 Bc3
 23   +0.47    28.9M     0:01.49   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Bb4 Kf3 Qh6 f5 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Qh4+ Be7 Qf4 Qg7 Qf7 Qxf7+ exf7 Rxc2 Bxc2 Bf8 Kg4 Ke7 Kg5 Kxf7 Bg6+ Ke7 h6 Bc8 Bh5 Bd7 h7 Bg7 Kg6 Kf8 Bd1 Bh8 Bb3 Be6 Bc2 Bf7+ Kf5
 22   +0.70    22.8M     0:01.21   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qg8 h5 Qf8 f5 Qh6+ Kf3 Rc8 fxe6+ Kd8 Qf4 Qxf4+ Kxf4 Rc4 Rxc4 dxc4 Bf5 Bf8 Kg5 Ke7 h6 c3 Kg6 Bxh6 Kxh6 Bd5 Bc2 Kxe6 Kg5 Bc4 Kf4
 21   +0.57    19.4M     0:01.05   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Rg8 Ke2 Qg7 f5 Qh6 Kf3 Rf8 f6 Bb4 Bd3 Kd8 Kg2 Bd2 Qg7 Qg5+ Qxg5 Bxg5 Kf3 Bh6 Rg2 Ke8 Rg6 Rh8 Rg7 Bc8 Rc7 Bd7 Bg6+ Kd8
 20   +0.34    14.5M     0:00.83   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Bb4 Kf3 Qh6 f5 Rf8 Qf4 Qxf4+ Kxf4 Rc8 Rg2 Rh8 fxe6+ Ke7 Bf5 Kf8 Bg4 Bc8 Rc2 Ke7 Rc7+ Kd8 Rc6 Bd2+ Kg3 Ke7 Rc7+ Kd8 Rg7 Bb4
 19   +0.12    12.2M     0:00.72   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Bb4 Kf3 Qh6 f5 Rf8 Qf4 Qxf4+ Kxf4 Rc8 Rg2 Rh8 fxe6+ Ke7 Rc2 Rc8 Kg5 Bc3 Rf2 Rb8 Rf6 Bxd4 Kf5
 18   +0.25    8.80M     0:00.56   Nxe6 fxe6 Bxg6 Qf8 h5 Bb4 Kf3 Qh6 f5 Rf8 Qg3 Be7 Ke2 Qg5 fxe6+ Kd8 Qxg5 Bxg5 Bf7 Rh8 Kf3 Rh7 Kg3
 17     0.00    4.49M     0:00.33   Rh2 Ba3 Rc2 Be7 Rh2
 16     0.00    3.16M     0:00.25   Rh2 Ba3 Rc2 Be7 Rh2
 15     0.00    3.11M     0:00.25   Rh2 Ba3 Rc2 Be7 Rh2
 14     0.00    2.04M     0:00.18   Rh2 Ba3 Rc2 Be7 Rh2
 13     0.00    1.54M     0:00.14   Rh2 Ba3 Rc2 Be7 Rh2
 12    -0.12    996245   0:00.10   Kf2 Qf8 Kg2 Bd8 Bf1 Qe7 Bd3 Ke8 Rc3 Rh6 Rb3 Qd7
 11    -0.23    569904   0:00.06   Kf2 Qf8 Qg3 Bd8 Kg2 Qe7 Ra2 Kc7 Rc2+ Kb8 Qf2 Ka7 Qg3
 10     0.00    167480   0:00.02   Kf2 Qf8 Ke3 Bd8 Ke2 Be7 Ke3
  9   +0.13    107447   0:00.02   Kf2 Qf8 Kg3 Bxg5 fxg5 Qa3 Qf3 Rh7 Qe3
  8   +0.05    95511     0:00.01   Be2 Qf8 Kf2 Bxg5 fxg5 Qa3 Qf4 Rh7
  7   +0.17    65531     0:00.01   Kf2 Qf8 Be2 Bxg5 fxg5 Qa3 Qf4
  6   +0.27    31767     0:00.01   Bf1 Qf8 Bh3 Bxg5 fxg5 Qa3+ Kf2
  5   +1.45    11738     0:00.01   Kf2 Ba8 Rc1 Bb7 Be2
  4   +2.07    5243       0:00.00   Bf1 f5 exf6 Bxf6 Bh3
  3   +1.79    4474       0:00.00   Bf1 f5 exf6 Bxf6
  2   +1.42    3629       0:00.00   Bf1 Ba8
  1   +1.44    1865       0:00.00   Bxg6
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Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Miguel Castanuela Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:39 am
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      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jean Baptiste Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:33 am
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                  Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jouni Uski Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:51 am
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Srdja Matovic Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:06 am
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Milos Stanisavljevic Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:03 am
                                    Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Srdja Matovic Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:35 am
                                          Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Milos Stanisavljevic Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:50 pm
                                                Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Srdja Matovic Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:53 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:38 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Dan Cooper Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:34 pm
                  Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Mike Libanan Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:20 pm
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:34 pm
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero AA Ross Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:33 am
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                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:29 pm
                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:54 pm
                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:34 pm
                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:47 pm
                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:02 pm
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                                                            Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Albert Silver Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:34 pm
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                                                                        Re:Alpha Zero's "Phantom Win over Stockfish 8" AA Ross Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:33 pm
                                                                              Re:Alpha Zero's "Phantom Win over Stockfish 8" Jouni Uski Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:44 pm
                                                                                    Re:Alpha Zero's "Phantom Win over Stockfish 8" Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:55 pm
                                                                              Re:Alpha Zero's "Phantom Win over Stockfish 8" Leo Anger Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:23 pm
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                                                Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:43 pm
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                                                            Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Hermann Krause Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:32 pm
                                                                  Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Mike Libanan Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:35 pm
                                                                        Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Hermann Krause Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:45 pm
                                                                              Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Hermann Krause Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:42 pm
                                                      Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:19 pm
                                                Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Michael B Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:59 am
                                                      Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Milos Stanisavljevic Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:54 am
                                                            Re: MCTS-NN vs alpha-beta Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:00 pm
                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:58 pm
                                          Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:26 pm
                                                Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:56 pm
                                                      Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Anil V Dharan Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:26 pm
                                                            Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:23 pm
                                                      Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:16 pm
                                                            Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:18 am
                                                                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 pm
                                                                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:55 pm
                                                                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:19 pm
                                                                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Norman Schmidt Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:25 pm
                                                                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:22 am
                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:48 pm
                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Kenneth Regan Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:04 am
                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish M ANSARI Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:47 am
                                          Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:01 pm
                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:58 pm
                                          Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Mike Libanan Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:28 pm
                                                Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:34 pm
                                                      Re: Much weaker than Stockfish H.G.Muller Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:42 am
                                                            Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Thorsten Czub Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:53 am
                                                                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Luis Babboni Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:41 pm
                                                                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Anil V Dharan Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:16 pm
                                                                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish szabo, robert Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:09 am
                                                                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish duncan roberts Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:13 pm
                                                                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Thorsten Czub Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:59 pm
                                                                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Milos Stanisavljevic Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:38 pm
                                                                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Thorsten Czub Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:47 pm
                                                                                          Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Milos Stanisavljevic Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:03 pm
                                                                                          Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Thorsten Czub Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:16 pm
                                                                                          Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Milos Stanisavljevic Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:55 pm
                                                                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Henk van den Belt Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:47 pm
                                                                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish szabo, robert Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:16 am
                                                                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Anil V Dharan Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:17 am
                                                            Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Anil V Dharan Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:11 pm
                                                            Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Milos Stanisavljevic Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:35 pm
                                                                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish H.G.Muller Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:16 pm
                                                                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Milos Stanisavljevic Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:59 pm
                                                                              Re: Much weaker than Stockfish H.G.Muller Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:19 am
                                                                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Anil V Dharan Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:01 am
                                                                                    Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Uri Blass Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:27 am
                                                                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Albert Silver Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:16 pm
                                                                        Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Milos Stanisavljevic Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:43 pm
                                                                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish szabo, robert Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:59 pm
            Re: Much weaker than Stockfish fernando Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:53 pm
                  Re: Much weaker than Stockfish Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:05 pm
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Joachim Rang Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:54 pm
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jon Dart Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:00 pm
                  Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:08 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jon Dart Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:16 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:28 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jon Dart Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:34 pm
                                    Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:59 pm
                                          Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jean Baptiste Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:58 pm
                                                Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:33 pm
                                                      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:36 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Miguel Castanuela Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:28 pm
                                    Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:06 pm
                                          Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Peer Trunz Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:13 pm
                                                Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:37 pm
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Henk van den Belt Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:57 pm
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Ian Osgood Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:34 am
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:08 pm
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Greg Simpson Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:22 am
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Mike Libanan Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:38 am
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero szabo, robert Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:54 am
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Carl Bicknell Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:50 am
                  Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Milos Stanisavljevic Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:49 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Bigler Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:56 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Leo Anger Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:53 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jouni Uski Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:59 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Bigler Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:00 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Kai Laskos Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:38 pm
                                    Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Leo Anger Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:43 pm
                                          Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:10 pm
                                    Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:07 pm
                                          Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:08 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:03 pm
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:10 pm
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Ian Osgood Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:57 pm
                  Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:12 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Erin Dame Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:37 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Anil V Dharan Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:25 am
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero duncan roberts Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:39 am
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:12 pm
                  Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero duncan roberts Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:55 pm
      Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero fernando Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:47 pm
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Albert Silver Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:53 pm
            Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Kai Laskos Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 pm
                  Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Carl Lumma Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:03 am
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Carl Lumma Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:02 am
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jean Baptiste Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:00 am
                                    Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Jhor A. Vi Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:33 am
                                          Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Anil V Dharan Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:52 am
                                                Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:16 pm
                                          Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Nay Lin Tun Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:08 am
                                                Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Anil V Dharan Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:31 pm
                        Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero Carl Lumma Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:57 pm
                              Re: Historic Milestone: AlphaZero T. Poppins Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:51 am
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