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Lyudmil Tsvetkov



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PostPost subject: Re: Stockfish and Fischer    Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:14 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

beram wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
pilgrimdan wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
I will post this here, as it has some relevance to computer chess and human-engine competition.

After doing an extensive study of the Fischer game collection, with the help of Stockfish, I just published a book on the theme:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078NSTR3K/ref=s9_acsd_newrz_hd_bw_b194_c_x_6_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-5&pf_rd_r=JNC827XRAWWDGW4HYCNC&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=17355592-3237-51ea-a6a2-f95fdeea28ea&pf_rd_i=4406

While going through the positional test suite, including 112 test positions, I had to ascertain that Stockfish still fails to solve around one third, but maybe even close to half of the puzzles. With the tactical set, Stockfish has no problems at all, all solved.

Make the conclusions yourselves how weak actually Stockfish is and how strong Fischer.

So, you might just want to forget anything about alleged engine superiority in chess.

sounds interesting Lyudmil ... may buy and take a look ...


[d]r4rk1/2q1bpp1/pn3n1p/1pp1pP2/6P1/1BP4P/PP1N1P2/R1BQR1K1 w - - 0 17
BR ::    ::    BR BK ::
::    BQ    BB BP BP    
BP BN    ::    BN    BP
:: BP BP    BP WP ::    
   ::    ::    :: WP ::
:: WB WP    ::    :: WP
WP WP    WN    WP    ::
WR    WB WQ WR    WK    


One of the positions from the positional suite my SF does not see(I don't know about the latest version on big hardware).
17. h4 wins
Does any engine see this easily wins?
Why would SF fail to see that?

It's not you Dan, I guess SF developers need the book. Very Happy


The move h4! doesn't win Lyudmil


You bet!
Any analysis?
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Human versus Machine Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:44 am
      Re: Human versus Machine Milos Stanisavljevic Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:54 pm
            Re: Human versus Machine Lyudmil Tsvetkov Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:25 am
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                        Re: Human versus Machine Lyudmil Tsvetkov Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:57 am
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                        Re: Human versus Machine Uri Blass Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:55 pm
                              Re: Human versus Machine Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:34 am
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                        Re: Human versus Machine Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:42 am
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                                    Part 2 Lyudmil Tsvetkov Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:01 am
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                                                            A blast from the past Lyudmil Tsvetkov Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:35 am
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                                                                        Re: A blast from the past Lyudmil Tsvetkov Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:49 pm
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                                                      Re: Human versus Machine Lyudmil Tsvetkov Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:55 pm
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