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Mike Libanan



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PostPost subject: Re: Stockfish and Fischer    Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:42 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
fastgm wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
I don't know, but either you or SF exhibits some failures.
Any reason why you suddenly started analysing the Rf4 lines before the Qh6 one was fully analysed?

Lyudmil, it's not a Multi PV Mode analysis but a best move analysis. Stockfish simply changed his mind between Qh6 and Rf4 with increasing depth.
Code:
Depth 29: 29/48   00:17       530.887k   29.530k   -1,42   9.Qh6 Ba4 10.Bg4 Rfc8 11.e4 Bf8 12.Qh4 dxe4 13.Rg3 e3
Depth 30: 30/62   01:28     2.625.343k   29.551k   -2,46   9.Rf4 Ba4 10.Bf3 Nf5 11.Bg4 Bxg5 12.Rf3 Nh4 13.Rfg3 Qe7
Depth 36: 36/65   08:23    15.603.654k   30.968k   -2,93   9.Qh6 Ba4 10.Bg4 Rb1 11.Rf3 Rfb8 12.Rgf1 Bf8 13.Rxf7 Qxf7
Depth 37: 37/59   13:53    26.110.609k   31.318k   -3,13   9.Rf4 Ba4 10.Bf3 Nf5 11.Bg4 Bxg5 12.Rf2 Be7 13.Rxf5 exf5
etc.

This is the "best move infinite analysis" after 9.Qh6 Ba4 10.Bg4:

[d]1r3rk1/3qbpnp/4pRpQ/p2pP1P1/b1pP2B1/P1P1P3/3B3P/4N1RK b - - 8 10
   BR    ::    BR BK ::
::    :: BQ BB BP BN BP
   ::    :: BP WR BP WQ
BP    :: BP WP    WP    
BB :: BP WP    :: WB ::
WP    WP    WP    ::    
   ::    WB    ::    WP
::    ::    WN    WR WK

Stockfish 180113 64 BMI2, 18 cores
Code:
44/83   32:52    65.296.993k   33.106k   +4,00   10. ... Rb1 11.Rf3 Rfb8 12.Rgf1 Bf8 13.Rxf7 Qxf7 14.Rxf7 Kxf7 15.Kg2 R8b2 16.Nf3 Kg8 17.Qh3 Bd7 18.a4 Rd1 19.Kg3 Nf5+ 20.Kf2 Rbxd2+ 21.Nxd2 Rxd2+ 22.Kf1 Rc2 23.Qf3 Rxc3 24.Bxf5 gxf5 25.Qh5 Rc1+ 26.Kg2 c3 27.g6 hxg6 28.Qxg6+ Bg7 29.Qg5 c2 30.Qd8+ Kh7 31.Qxd7 Rg1+ 32.Kxg1 c1Q+ 33.Kg2 Qxe3 34.Qxe6 Qe2+ 35.Kg1 Qe1+ 36.Kg2 Qe4+ 37.Kf1 Qh1+ 38.Kf2 Qxh2+ 39.Kf3 Qh3+ 40.Kf2 Qh4+ 41.Kf1 Qh1+ 42.Ke2 Qe4+ 43.Kf1 f4 44.Qh3+ Kg6 45.Qe6+ Kg5 46.Qe7+ Kh6 47.Qh4+ Kg6

and a "Multi PV Mode analysis" 5 moves after 10...Rb1:

[d]5rk1/3qbpnp/4pRpQ/p2pP1P1/b1pP2B1/P1P1P3/3B3P/1r2N1RK w - - 9 11
   ::    ::    BR BK ::
::    :: BQ BB BP BN BP
   ::    :: BP WR BP WQ
BP    :: BP WP    WP    
BB :: BP WP    :: WB ::
WP    WP    WP    ::    
   ::    WB    ::    WP
:: BR ::    WN    WR WK

Stockfish 180113 64 BMI2, 18 cores
Code:
 36/66   36:31    74.304.702k   33.898k   -5,16   11.e4 Bxa3 12.Ng2 Rfb8 13.Ne3 dxe4 14.Qh3 Bc6 15.Rff1 Rxf1 16.Qxf1 Nf5 17.Bxf5 exf5 18.h4 a4 19.Kh2 Be7 20.Nxc4 a3 21.Bf4 Rb3 22.Qc1 Qe6 23.Ne3 Rb2+ 24.Kg3 Qb3 25.Qd1 Qxc3 26.Qc1 Qxc1 27.Rxc1 a2 28.Ra1 Bb4 29.d5 Ba4
 36/55   36:31    74.304.702k   33.898k   -5,15   11.Qh3 Bxa3 12.Kg2 Bd1 13.Bxd1 Rxd1 14.Rf2 Nf5 15.Nf3 Rxg1+ 16.Kxg1 a4 17.Qf1 Be7 18.Qb1 a3 19.Bc1 Qa4 20.Rc2 Ra8 21.Qa2 Nxe3 22.Bxe3 Qxc2 23.Qxc2 a2 24.Qd1 a1R 25.Qf1 Rxf1+ 26.Kxf1 Ra1+ 27.Kf2 Ra2+ 28.Ke1 Bd8 29.Bd2 Ba5 30.Ng1 Ra1+ 31.Kf2 Kf8 32.Ne2 Rd1 33.Bc1 Rd3 34.h4 Bxc3 35.Nxc3
 36/63   36:31    74.304.702k   33.898k   -5,14   11.Rg3 Bc2 12.Rh3 Nh5 13.Bxh5 gxh5 14.Qxh5 Bxf6 15.gxf6 Be4+ 16.Kg1 Kh8 17.Rg3 Qe8 18.Kf2 Rg8 19.Nf3 Rxg3 20.hxg3 Bxf3 21.Qxf3 Rb2 22.Ke1 Qg8 23.e4 dxe4 24.Qf4 Qg6 25.g4 e3 26.Qxe3 Qxg4 27.Qg5 Rb1+ 28.Kf2 Qxg5 29.Bxg5 Rb3 30.a4 Rxc3 31.Ke2 Ra3 32.Bh6 Kg8 33.Kd2 Rh3 34.Bg5 Rd3+ 35.Ke2 Rxd4 36.Bd2 Re4+ 37.Kf3 Rxe5 38.Bc3 Rf5+ 39.Ke4 h5 40.Kd4 Rf4+ 41.Kc5
 36/57   36:31    74.304.702k   33.898k   -5,12   11.Rgf1 Bxa3 12.Qh3 Be7 13.Kg1 Bd1 14.Bxd1 Rxd1 15.R6f2 Nf5 16.Nf3 Rxf1+ 17.Qxf1 a4 18.Qb1 a3 19.Bc1 Qa4 20.Rc2 Ra8 21.Qa2 Nxe3 22.Bxe3 Qxc2 23.Qxc2 a2 24.Qd1 a1R 25.Qxa1 Rxa1+ 26.Kf2 Ra2+ 27.Ke1 Bd8 28.Bd2 Ba5 29.Ng1 Ra1+ 30.Kf2 Kf8 31.h3 Ke7 32.h4 Kd7 33.Ne2 Rh1 34.Ke3 Rxh4 35.Be1 Rh3+ 36.Bg3
 36/60   36:31    74.304.702k   33.898k   -4,33   11.Rf3 Rfb8 12.e4 Bf8 13.Qh4 Bd1 14.Rh3 Nh5 15.Ng2 Bxg4 16.Qxg4 Rxg1+ 17.Kxg1 Rb1+ 18.Kf2 Rb2 19.Ke1 Bxa3 20.Ne3 Be7 21.exd5 a4 22.dxe6 fxe6 23.Nxc4 a3 24.Nxa3 Bxa3 25.Re3 Bf8 26.Qf3 Qa4 27.Re2 Be7 28.h4 Qa1+ 29.Kf2 Qd1 30.Be1 Rb8 31.Rd2 Qb1 32.Rd1 Qb5 33.Kg1 Rf8 34.Qg2 Nf4 35.Qg4 Rf5 36.Kh2 Qb2+ 37.Rd2 Qxc3 38.Qg3 Qc4 39.Rf2 Qxd4 40.Bc3 Qd1
.


I don't know what you are analysing.
The real position is this one:

[d]1rr3k1/3qbpnp/4pRpQ/p2pP1P1/b1pP2B1/P1P1P1R1/3B3P/4N2K b - - 0 3
   BR BR ::    :: BK ::
::    :: BQ BB BP BN BP
   ::    :: BP WR BP WQ
BP    :: BP WP    WP    
BB :: BP WP    :: WB ::
WP    WP    WP    WR    
   ::    WB    ::    WP
::    ::    WN    :: WK


And the rook is ALREADY on g3.
If you are certain black is losing that, you might simply acknowledge it, then we might analyse something else.


Sorry to intervene, but you just inserted a very weak move Rfc8? move and SF don't like
that weak move you inserted. It was already -5,16 in blacks favor without the Rfc8.
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