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by mvanthoor
Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

Is there an engine match program that can set different time controls for each engine? I think Aquarium can do that. Thanks for the option. I'll look into it if I can't find anything else. It seems Little Blitzer can do it: http://www.kimiensoftware.com/software/chess/littleblitzer "Can allocate pe...
by mvanthoor
Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

CCRL testing is broken in regards to testing NN engines. Their method is bad and does not show the true strength of the NN engines. For the reason you have mentioned. Stockfish's current CCRL playing strength is basically locked to a 12 year old computer. When CCRL started, the games were (probably...
by mvanthoor
Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

Imagine what it would look like if the human world championship was 40 moves per 85 seconds. After all that preparation and sponsors and venue and press, 12 games would be over in about half an hour. And then, all the cellebrations and books on it, until years 2 years later As I said, I wanted to t...
by mvanthoor
Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

Guenther wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:20 am
Are the games available somewhere and also the other 20 games mentioned later in this thread?
(If possible old pgn format w/o gimmicks just eval/depth time)
I would like to look at them.
The games are attached to this post.
by mvanthoor
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:43 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

If I'd run 100 or a 1000 games, I'd roughly expect the result to be "+30 -5 =65" or "+300 -50 =650" in favor of Stockfish 10 on this computer, give or take a few points. I'm not going to put any more time into this. I would have tested more, if all the 20 games were drawn, and if the games where som...
by mvanthoor
Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

Result of SF10 vs. Lc0 0.21.1 JH.T6.532: +6 -1 =13, +88 Elo for SF10. This puts Lc0 at 3547 - 88 = 3459 Elo, which is actually lower than the 3486 from the CCRL 40/4 list. It can actually be true. If my computer is much faster than the computer used for the CCRL testing, my time controls will be sho...
by mvanthoor
Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:55 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

You need to remember that Lc0 is not a A/B engine. Or a simple way you can say Lc0 understands positional play first and tactics last. A/B engines and Stockfish understand tactics very fast, and use the tactics to increase positional understanding. I know. It *was* baffling to see Lc0 at least hold...
by mvanthoor
Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:45 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

First, ignore Chessqueen. Most of us do. :wink: Oh. OK. 20 games is hardly definitive. Maybe it was all just chance? If not, let Stockfish run on fewer threads. Don't know enough about lc0 to suggest possible tweaks, but perhaps someone else does. No, 20 games isn't definitive. Lc0 didn't play horr...
by mvanthoor
Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:08 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

So you went and got yourself a superior hardware to run Stockfish versus LCO and you probably spent as much or more to get that hardware that your stockfish is using, for what reason to show that Stockfish is better than LC0 when we all know what LCO with RTX 2080 Ti running in TCEC did against Sto...
by mvanthoor
Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:40 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0
Replies: 37
Views: 5370

Re: Stockfish vs. Lc0: IMHO disappointing result for Lc0

You are using an inferior hardware for LCO, the GTX 1070. is too slow in comparison to what Stockfish was using in your test, either you get a RTX 2080 Ti or a slower hardware for Stockfish in order for the match to be even :shock: Truly? So you recommend I get a €1200 graphics card, just to be abl...