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by Ovyron
Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:57 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 28
Views: 5335

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

Time is always a factor in game play. It's only a factor when the result of the game isn't known. When it's known one side has won the game, then time doesn't matter, and it's the responsibility of the losing player to resign when this is the case to save time. The winning player has already won on...
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:22 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?
Replies: 86
Views: 8451

Re: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?

It's pointless to argue with people who don't care about making gross logical mistakes in their reasoning. It's pointless to argue with people who don't care about other people's gross logical mistakes in their reasoning, if they make them, to explain their flaws, to educate them. We're not here to...
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:09 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?
Replies: 86
Views: 8451

Re: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?

Words are important. I choose mine carefully. No, you don't. You're using the word "can", but should be use the word "could": NNs could solve world hunger, and they could heal any illness, and they could help you build a time machine. And NNs could memorize opening positions, and their best moves. ...
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:08 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?
Replies: 86
Views: 8451

Re: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?

AndrewGrant wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:52 pm
You've gone from arguing the idea, to arguing the semantics.
"Leela NN is a book" has always been about semantics. It depends of your definition of "book."

Your side just can't refute the argument that if Leela could memorize moves, she could play them from memory instantly.

Checkmate.
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:26 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?
Replies: 86
Views: 8451

Re: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?

Read that, and if you still don't think its possible for Leela to "memorize" a selection of openings, please email the authors at the top of that document, as they will be far less generous than users here. Fine. Leela can "memorize" a selection of openings. But she can't memorize a selection of op...
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:45 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Chess is blowing up in twitch (x10 times spectators in 6 months ) and become part of pro e-sport competitions!
Replies: 11
Views: 2374

Re: Chess is blowing up in twitch (x10 times spectators in 6 months ) and become part of pro e-sport competitions!

Regarding playing a stronger human opponent, for me the appeal was always that if I won (or perhaps even if I drew), I had something to feel good about, I could credit my skill. If I beat an equal, it's likely due to luck or to one detail he happened to miss, which can be called luck. That's funny,...
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:13 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?
Replies: 86
Views: 8451

Re: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?

Can you go and show us the neurons responsible in a human chess player for knowing that 1. e4 and 1. d4 are good. No ? For a given human, you could check what parts of the brain are activated when they're on the opening position of chess, which ones are illuminated when 1. e4 or 1. d4 are being con...
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:48 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 28
Views: 5335

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

Qxf6 is clearly better move. Can't imagine the engine would ever lose or draw after Bxa7. Though Qxf6 might save some energy, I suppose. :D Thats why we called it "best" not good or better :D But in your initial post you used "fails". Not sure that finding a move that always wins is a failure. :win...
by Ovyron
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:10 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?
Replies: 86
Views: 8451

Re: Asking to people who believe Leela NN is a book, what they think about SF NN now?

A point Alayan is trying to make (IMO in a pretty clear way) is that NN has some memory about trained positions. Can you go and show us where this resides? Can anybody tell us what parameters are responsible of memorizing the best moves in some positions? Is it even possible to remove parts of the ...
by Ovyron
Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:43 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Kai's 2moves_80_100, try it... You'll like it.
Replies: 13
Views: 2008

Re: Kai's 2moves_80_100, try it... You'll like it.

There are 1009 positions, so I called it Kai prime. (Pun intentional) This link contains a 7-zip file with all of the positions along with analysis to ply 36 ( kai-2moves.epd ). It also contains a filtered version with the easy wins and likely draws removed ( kai-prime.epd ) which is sorted by scor...