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by mhull
Fri May 25, 2018 4:03 pm
Forum: Chess Players Forum
Topic: Games you're proud of
Replies: 12
Views: 3535

Re: Games you're proud of

Bad game but last part of game has a nice combination. I found it because I read it from face of strong player (Elo 2100-2200) watching the game. For I thought my position was hopeless. But if a strong player finds it interesting then probably there would be something interesting. Otherwise I proba...
by mhull
Thu May 24, 2018 3:13 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

... An argument such as ' 'this would be a great move if.... it didn't lose a piece" holds no water in my book. But what does hold water is this, that decisions based primarily on ever-increasing, self-discovered positional principles will eventually triumph altogether, which is the exact impressio...
by mhull
Fri May 18, 2018 2:26 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Experiments and curiosities
Replies: 2
Views: 659

Re: Experiments and curiosities

Hi Ed! I get similar results when running fixed depth matches between Wasp3 and Stockfish 8. Wasp wins 96% against SF at depth=4 :) depth wins draws losses 1 306 271 423 44.15% 2 707 68 225 74.10% 3 915 54 31 94.20% 4 956 8 36 96.00% 5 922 57 21 95.05% 6 885 83 32 92.65% 7 884 95 21 93.15% 8 764 14...
by mhull
Thu May 17, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

Yes, I use a very short 3-mover book of solid, balanced GM openings. I think LC0 must play well from all those short, solid lines, so this procedure is probably more sound than using no book at all in matches for determining strength (not in learning). Would it be more sound to measure human streng...
by mhull
Tue May 15, 2018 4:05 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

No current computer chess program tells us anything about the asymptotic approach to best play, because they are all so far below best play. With all due respect, you wouldn't know. Human assessment of how close programs (which are hundreds of Elo better players than them) are approaching best play...
by mhull
Tue May 15, 2018 2:08 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

The idea of computer chess is the asymptotic approach to best play. You can't measure that approach if much weaker humans are ALWAYS interjecting their moves into the test . Any resulting Elo measures are contaminated with human moves. If we calculated human Elo using games composed partly of compu...
by mhull
Mon May 14, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

Sure, many would say his openings were limited but his results suggest that nobody was able to take advantage of it or even that it was a disadvantage in the first place. If God only played one opening as White and always won, isn't it true that people would complain his opening repertoire was limi...
by mhull
Mon May 14, 2018 3:38 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

It's okay to test it playing its chosen opening with its opponent loaded with whatever opening book (and tablebases) its author wants. What I disagree with is when you blurred the line between what it thinks is wrong and what is wrong. Current testing method isn't measuring the "wrong/right" openin...
by mhull
Sun May 13, 2018 3:17 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

With chess, what is it that we don't know? How to play like God, that's what. But if I want to study opening XYZ, of what interest is that when the program thinks that's a wrong opening in the first place? You want to use an engine to analyze a wrong opening, that's fine . But what are we doing wit...
by mhull
Sat May 12, 2018 9:57 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo
Replies: 604
Views: 77271

Re: LCZero: Progress and Scaling. Relation to CCRL Elo

But objective testing cannot happen if assuaging human boredom is the priority. Of course you're right, especially considering the boredom- boundary of different people differ much too. :) And of course it's of some thrill too, watching the development of an engine Elo- wise, especially in a way LC...