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by Laskos
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:25 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Dragon vs GM Nakamura Analog Handicap Match
Replies: 84
Views: 3106

Re: Dragon vs GM Nakamura Analog Handicap Match

What I've consistently observed is that humans always do better taking handicaps from top engines than similarly rated engines do. Maybe it's because they have a better understanding of simplifying when ahead, or just that they know to respect the opponent and avoid anything unclear. I have been se...
by Laskos
Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:29 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development
Replies: 12
Views: 1092

Re: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development

What about Seer, Halogen 8, and Minic 3? I seem to be unable to run Seer 1.1 and Halogen 8.1 with Sim, even if I messed with Sim.tcl file. I am not sure what's the matter, maybe they are not fully UCI compliant. I was curious about them, as they seem to be original NNUE implementations. Do you have...
by Laskos
Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development
Replies: 12
Views: 1092

Re: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development

Unfortunate, and entirely unsurprising in regards to the NNUE similarities. Perhaps, some hope though. Even though Komodo and Stockfish are, it appears, trained on the same code base, the differences between their evals, and its usage in training, is enough to have at least some diversity. You don'...
by Laskos
Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:22 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development
Replies: 12
Views: 1092

Re: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development

Madeleine Birchfield wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:03 am
What about Seer, Halogen 8, and Minic 3?

I seem to be unable to run Seer 1.1 and Halogen 8.1 with Sim, even if I messed with Sim.tcl file. I am not sure what's the matter, maybe they are not fully UCI compliant. I was curious about them, as they seem to be original NNUE implementations.
by Laskos
Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:17 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development
Replies: 12
Views: 1092

Re: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development

Kai, That's a really good point!! I found out that all NN engines I am looking have problems with complicated A80, A81, E97-E99 openings. Engines lost understanding with NN. Can be a good idea to put best A80 or E99 lines inside your test? Best lines can be found really easy with our FEBOS database...
by Laskos
Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:15 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development
Replies: 12
Views: 1092

Re: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development

Madeleine Birchfield wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:03 am
What about Seer, Halogen 8, and Minic 3?
Maybe I will check a few more, but I am not going to test every NNUE engine.
by Laskos
Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:54 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development
Replies: 12
Views: 1092

Re: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development

Alayan wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:24 pm
I'm not surprised in the least.

Could you add Ethereal 12.75 data ? I'm curious how it clusters.

It clusters with classical engines, and is quite individual.


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by Laskos
Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:19 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development
Replies: 12
Views: 1092

Maybe not the best diversity of strongest chess engines under development

With a modified Sim (I changed the set of positions) at 100 ms/position and at 1000 ms/position when specified as x10, I am getting the following, maybe not the nicest picture of similarity with the current strength progress of engines. All NN enabled engines cluster together, and Leela NN branch to...
by Laskos
Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:44 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: A word on random opening
Replies: 6
Views: 358

Re: A word on random opening

xr_a_y wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:10 am
I'm talking in game results not evaluation just after the random moves (but those games were played at fixed depth search).
I think SF tests do have a white advantage in results.
by Laskos
Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:54 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: A word on random opening
Replies: 6
Views: 358

Re: A word on random opening

4 plies random openings still have some 0.20 in classical SF eval median white advantage, which is in line with the expected white advantage. The spread is fairly large, that is what you mean, that often one can find 0.40 or -0.20 openings? Here is the distribution of 4 plies random openings in SF ...