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by Albert Silver
Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:04 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Fritz 17
Replies: 264
Views: 38076

Re: Fritz 17

it might be worth pointing out the NN weights is not code, it is data It is, worth pointing out and data. The purpose of the Lc0 project is to obtain chess knowledge trough self-play. That knowledge is called weights. As data, it may be outside the umbrella of the licence, but I wonder for how long...
by Albert Silver
Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Fritz 17
Replies: 264
Views: 38076

Re: Fritz 17

it might be worth pointing out the NN weights is not code, it is data It is, worth pointing out and data. The purpose of the Lc0 project is to obtain chess knowledge trough self-play. That knowledge is called weights. As data, it may be outside the umbrella of the licence, but I wonder for how long...
by Albert Silver
Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:24 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Fritz 17
Replies: 264
Views: 38076

Re: Fritz 17

As of now, it runs in four that I know of. If the reference is to the various derivatives of lc0, they cannot be counted as different engines. The links you cited do not apply here either. The links explain why something that is a PART of a GPL program is considered derivative work (regardless of h...
by Albert Silver
Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Fritz 17
Replies: 264
Views: 38076

Re: Fritz 17

Even philosophically your argument holds no water. Cutechess is an open source GUI that is utterly useless without an engine to run in it, much less one that is provided for in the GPL. If someone sells an engine, an engine that is entirely useless without an interface, by your statement that engin...
by Albert Silver
Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Fritz 17
Replies: 264
Views: 38076

Re: Fritz 17

I don't know if that's "expert" enough for you, but I never wanted to be taken for one. There's a lot of those running around, I just try to bring some common sense into the conversation, something which isn't in so much abundance nowadays. Common sense? You’re clearly not a lawyer (insert obligato...
by Albert Silver
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:11 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vote for Fritz 17 Replacement
Replies: 25
Views: 5101

Re: Vote for Fritz 17 Replacement

For me, as long as a move will take you to the best result possible, assuming no mistakes, it qualifies as a 'best move'. I used to think like you Albert, but that just led to drawing most of my correspondence chess opponents, because I played leading the game into positions that were easy to play ...
by Albert Silver
Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vote for Fritz 17 Replacement
Replies: 25
Views: 5101

Re: Vote for Fritz 17 Replacement

I think differently, I hadn't seen so many engines playing so different chess. When it doesn't happen is that there's some best line to play and they find it, so more depth doesn't help because the best line has been found. Something interesting is that most chess positions are like that, the ones ...
by Albert Silver
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Fritz 17
Replies: 264
Views: 38076

Re: Fritz 17

But that's not a defense, they went and shared what you told them, just not the details, so it was the worst of all worlds, and we'd still be in the dark if you didn't state it openly (as you can see, after their statements people believed Rajlich was working in a new engine, so what Graham and Mik...
by Albert Silver
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Fritz 17
Replies: 264
Views: 38076

Re: Fritz 17

The secret has finally been revealed! That shop made a mistake, Fritz 17 will be a new A/B engine unrelated to Rybka or Vasik Rajlich! And... that was it. Come on Graham and MikeB, couldn't you have told us this? At least we can count on Albert Silver to do proper reporting :roll: In their defense,...
by Albert Silver
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?
Replies: 79
Views: 19404

Re: "Fat fritz" stronger than Stockfish ?

I am also unsure about the argument of price always being proportionate to the work, but regardless will say that thousands of man hours have gone into this project from me alone Few thousand of man hours is probably more than all human effort in LCZero project combined! One full-time working year ...