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by towforce
Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:03 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: How close can we come to proving that white draws?
Replies: 61
Views: 3057

Re: How close can we come to proving that white draws?

Meanwhile, some here suggested that proving that White can always draw would be an important first step, and i'm close to already have proven this now (in my previous posting). Yet, unfortunately, after this step, the second step in the actual game of chess (not a game where White always can win) b...
by towforce
Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:45 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: How close can we come to proving that white draws?
Replies: 61
Views: 3057

Re: How close can we come to proving that white draws?

in general within game theory, the field of graph/network theory seems to be coming up as an important/useful discipline https://www.or2018.be/slides/Ljubic.pdf So also in chess this field is coming up https://www.or2018.be/slides/Ljubic.pdf https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2017/10/25/game-theory...
by towforce
Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:48 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions
Replies: 179
Views: 8452

Re: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions

For this mini-thought experiment, please assume that chess is drawn (I know it's not proven yet): * losses strongly correlate with blunders * the deeper the search, the fewer the number of blunders Unfortunately, not all engines measure depth in the same way. However maybe we can come up with a "re...
by towforce
Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:53 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions
Replies: 179
Views: 8452

Re: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions

For this mini-thought experiment, please assume that chess is drawn (I know it's not proven yet): * losses strongly correlate with blunders * the deeper the search, the fewer the number of blunders Unfortunately, not all engines measure depth in the same way. However maybe we can come up with a "rea...
by towforce
Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:44 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: How close can we come to proving that white draws?
Replies: 61
Views: 3057

Re: How close can we come to proving that white draws?

An engine line that wins 1000 games out of 1000 or that draws 1000 games out of 1000 is not a proof. I agree. Albert Silver said that nearly all top correspondence games that are completed end in draws. I was just investigating how close top engines are to top correspondence players. The answer is ...
by towforce
Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:10 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: How close can we come to proving that white draws?
Replies: 61
Views: 3057

Re: How close can we come to proving that white draws?

Entering an unassisted engine in ICCF could be a good way to gauge how strong ICCF players are relative to it. Do we have any way of estimating the elo rating of top level correspondence chess (TLCC)? Since affordable computers became better than humans, has the gap between TLCC and tournament cont...
by towforce
Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: How close can we come to proving that white draws?
Replies: 61
Views: 3057

Re: How close can we come to proving that white draws?

those ICCF ratings are not Otb, they are calculated on the basis of correspondence games, but there's quite some rating 'deflation' there, because the level of the games played at top level are like with hybrid (man/machine aka centaur ) chess and thus at levels approaching at least 3600 or so i gu...
by towforce
Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:09 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: How close can we come to proving that white draws?
Replies: 61
Views: 3057

Re: How close can we come to proving that white draws?

If you follow elite correspondence chess of last few years, it is now well over 90% draws, and entire events are decided by a single win. Most wins and losses are actually not due to the chess, but technicalities such as time losses. The writing is on the wall. Do we have any way of estimating the ...
by towforce
Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:35 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: How close can we come to proving that white draws?
Replies: 61
Views: 3057

Re: How close can we come to proving that white draws?

Your method is flawed. There is no trick, mateslover, or fictional draw searcher that could ever answer the question. Remember chess is a 100 percent tactical game. Wins are not won by material advantage, or another human concept of positional understanding. Chess is won by checkmating the king. Th...
by towforce
Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions
Replies: 179
Views: 8452

Re: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions

For people who are still wondering white or black forced win, show me a single game where one side forced win without a single blunder from the opponent. There are billions of computers games and human games played already to proove/ disprove your assumption. Strawman! Only God and a 32 man table b...