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by benstoker
Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:41 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

z How about this. Quit testing and just let all athletes use steroids, HGH, EPO, bionic limbs, whatever, and let's just see who runs the fastest. How about this. Allow ALL chess engines in tournaments regardless of origin and originality. Everybody has copied alpha-beta. You engine authors are ALL ...
by benstoker
Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:29 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

You seem to have turned 180 degrees from your initial post. Originally you wanted all tournaments to be open to anyone. Now you don't care, because the computer-Chess community at large is the only 'real tournament', and they know who TopDog is anyway, despite tournament rules being as they are. Th...
by benstoker
Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:23 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

I'm not interested in the tournament that's all about awarding the First Loser program. Some are, however, and that's fine with me. De gustibus non disputandum est. Indeed it would be pointless to discuss whether you should be interested or not. I, for one, have no interest whatsoever for tournamen...
by benstoker
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:28 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

I'll just take your word for it. I know that you can do that. I believe you 100%. I'm on Linux and don't want to fiddle with Wine. Maybe you've just helped me clarify my own thoughts. Is that not allowed under the rules? Known knowns and known unknowns: -- People are free to set up tournaments unde...
by benstoker
Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:18 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

Here's the deal. If you or anybody else think you have the Top Dog chess engine in the world, then reveal it unto the masses and I can assure you that within minutes you will or will not earn the Top Dog Prize by dethroning the current crown king, Houdini. So, get out that incredible hex editor you...
by benstoker
Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:55 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: What the computer chess community needs to decide
Replies: 265
Views: 64565

Re: What the computer chess community needs to decide

Both - Rybka author and Cray Blitz author stated that a) one could easily detect copies by putting the codes (how much from what parts is my question) side by side and b) that this had been done with Fruit code and Rybka 1 beta code (for what time exactly this had been done and what is the potentia...
by benstoker
Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:10 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

Part of what you say seems to be that there MUST be at least SOME kind of filter for a tournament, otherwise, you get the above absurdities. I agree. The question is what is that filter. Well, that is a good starting point. The argument is that clones must be filtered out even if the clone is stong...
by benstoker
Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:40 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

Again, after all is said and done, forever and anon, from here to eternity, Top Dog will always be that one special engine that has that one itsy bitsy piece of originality that makes it beat all other engines. Houdini is the Top Dog today. It doesn't matter one iota that it is a wholesale rip of i...
by benstoker
Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:01 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

Second Place is just another way to say First Loser. You don't seem to get it. The strongest program won't win at all in your tournament style. The program that enters most cheating copies will. In the current engine landscape Houdini would not stand a chance. 'Bodini' will finish some 200 points a...
by benstoker
Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:04 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Allow steroids
Replies: 161
Views: 22330

Re: Allow steroids

The Top Original Code Criterion is subsumed under the Top Dog Criterion. No need to split them. Numero Uno chess proggie is of necessity original, since it has that unique characteristic that enables it to play better than all other chess proggies. No, it doesn't. If clones are free to enter, I wou...