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by Zenmastur
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:25 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: 1.g4 opening is losing?
Replies: 451
Views: 67178

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

I'm willing to defend 1.g4 against anybody that seriously think it is losing, and I guarantee that I can draw them. Am willing to give it a go 1...d5. if you want to play we should probably play the game in the tournaments and matches sub-forum? Hmmm... That should be an interesting match. I know O...
by Zenmastur
Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: 1.g4 opening is losing?
Replies: 451
Views: 67178

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

After 1.g4 d5 is around -1, i'd say it's losing. The Alekhine's 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 is around +0.7 and probably losing as well. I think most people are looking for something a little more concrete. A score of -9 would be nice. I've see a score of greater than -7 be a fortress so even that isn't 100%. Mos...
by Zenmastur
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:52 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: 1.g4 opening is losing?
Replies: 451
Views: 67178

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

I tried this with 1.g4 right after I started playing CC and couldn't quite get there. IIRC the best I could get after about a week of analysis was -3.xx or so. This was on 5M-6M nps machine with 16 GB of TT and 6-man EGTBes. Regards, Zenmastur Wow, that's quite surprising to me. My gut would sugges...
by Zenmastur
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:05 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: 1.g4 opening is losing?
Replies: 451
Views: 67178

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

I tried this with 1.g4 right after I started playing CC and couldn't quite get there. IIRC the best I could get after about a week of analysis was -3.xx or so. This was on 5M-6M nps machine with 16 GB of TT and 6-man EGTBes. Regards, Zenmastur Wow, that's quite surprising to me. My gut would sugges...
by Zenmastur
Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:09 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: 1.g4 opening is losing?
Replies: 451
Views: 67178

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

I saw at CCC (chess.com), they were using big hardware so maybe result was relevant. Lc0 as black only drew against SF after SF as white played 1.g4 (0.5 - 0.5) But SF (as black) convincingly won after Lc0 (as white) played 1.g4. (0-1) edit: name of engines While interesting, we're not talking abou...
by Zenmastur
Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:51 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: 1.g4 opening is losing?
Replies: 451
Views: 67178

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

I wouldn't trust Lc0's evaluation for anything, remember that if you follow blindly what it recommends against 1.d4 it suggests a losing line. No engine currently in existence is close enough to perfection to trust it blindly, but unless we are talking about a clearly tactical position such as the ...
by Zenmastur
Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: 1.g4 opening is losing?
Replies: 451
Views: 67178

Re: 1.g4 opening is losing?

Graham Banks wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:57 pm
I'd never play 1.g4 against a top engine. Loss guaranteed.
Maybe, but I figure you can play 1."ANY move" against a top engine and you will still lose. :D :D :D

Regards,

Zenmastur
by Zenmastur
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:01 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: IN 100 games if SF reaches 51 in TCEC it should be stopped
Replies: 24
Views: 6017

Re: IN 100 games if SF reaches 51 in TCEC it should be stopped

A/B engines tend more towards micro-blunders when they don't "understand" the position. And they generally produce many micro blunders to lose the game. Death by a thousand small cuts. NN engines can produce gross blunders at ANY time, EVEN when they fully "understand" the position and/or have a co...
by Zenmastur
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: IN 100 games if SF reaches 51 in TCEC it should be stopped
Replies: 24
Views: 6017

Re: IN 100 games if SF reaches 51 in TCEC it should be stopped

First it's possible that three programs can be equal and yet A beats B, B beats C, and C beats A. In this case whoever wins wins by a fluke, not by being better than the others. If that's what you want to call it. With a set ELO difference between two opponents you can statistically predict how oft...
by Zenmastur
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: IN 100 games if SF reaches 51 in TCEC it should be stopped
Replies: 24
Views: 6017

Re: IN 100 games if SF reaches 51 in TCEC it should be stopped

But that leads to a contradiction: A. Leela beat Stockfish in TCEC 15 because it was better (it wasn't a fluke.) B. Allie advanced to TCEC 16 super final because it was better than Leela (Leela on 3rd or fourth.) C. Stockfish beat Allie because it is better (because NNs aren't mature enough, etc.) ...