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by noobpwnftw
Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:08 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

I do not apply my human imagination in order to explain the training process, I see it only tries to fit the output of a 800 node search by 1 node, and do so in many iterations. If you ask how that correlates to chess or any other games, then there is a easy way out, they are domain knowledge. Now ...
by noobpwnftw
Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

I do not apply my human imagination in order to explain the training process, I see it only tries to fit the output of a 800 node search by 1 node, and do so in many iterations. If you ask how that correlates to chess or any other games, then there is a easy way out, they are domain knowledge. Now l...
by noobpwnftw
Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:39 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

I actually have a lot of interesting science that still needs to be done Do something useful for this world. I have a some questions, is the number of 800 playouts per move during training has any correlations to the input model, network size or your training target? Essentially the training is try...
by noobpwnftw
Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:17 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

You are missing the point. The development on a basis of winning chances has led to a very different basis for making decisions with far-reaching consequences. If I understand your concept of "very different basis for making decisions with far-reaching consequences" correctly, are you referring to ...
by noobpwnftw
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:38 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

Approaches like A0, given a black-box of 28 million floating numbers, which is neither perfect nor give much information on how it would come up with such evaluations, is more of a "yet another closed-source chess engine" scenario in practice, where you have to "understand" things by looking at it'...
by noobpwnftw
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

You are missing the point. The development on a basis of winning chances has led to a very different basis for making decisions with far-reaching consequences. If I understand your concept of "very different basis for making decisions with far-reaching consequences" correctly, are you referring to ...
by noobpwnftw
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:25 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

By the end of the day, what you get out of it is a complete and mathematically sound solution to the problem, once and for all. Well, I don't know about the once and for all part or SF would never significantly change (and it has). But I agree in principle, that if one wants to learn how a human mi...
by noobpwnftw
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:20 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

it has developed on a concept of winning chances Concept of winning chances is just as lame as concept of centipawns. Given a mate-in-X position if it says anything else than 100% then it is wrong, if it says 100% then it will screw up your search. It have its roots in image recognition NNs, which ...
by noobpwnftw
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:05 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

Brute-forcing of those 28 million parameters of a evaluation function in a black-box style is neither efficient nor intelligent. Isn't it obvious that it is very easy to trick people into certain interpretations of my one liner, if I do not put any emphasis mark. I learned that only recently thanks...
by noobpwnftw
Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:31 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Alphazero news
Replies: 381
Views: 42018

Re: Alphazero news

Brute-forcing of those 28 million parameters of a evaluation function in a black-box style is neither efficient nor intelligent. For generic algorithm, yes, a lazy man's solution to everything, but in chess domain, I do not see how it differs from a giant SPSA run in principle, and how would one cal...