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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by Uri Blass » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:11 pm

Jouni wrote:So claims, that 20. -Nxf2+ is not instant draw? Of course it was.
It is not instant draw if white does not want instant draw.

I see no way for black to force a draw in the line
21.Kg1 Nh3+ 22.Kg2 Nhf4+ 23.gxf4 Nxf4+ 24.Rxf4

The position is slightly better for black based on the evaluation of stockfish but black does not get an instant draw and needs to play many moves

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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by Ferdy » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:53 am

Annotation from Chess artist v0.2.0 with Brainfish and cerebellum.

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[Event "WCh 2016"]
[Site "New York USA"]
[Date "2016.11.24"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Karjakin, Sergey"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "GM"]
[WhiteElo "2853"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[ECO "C65"]
[Opening "Ruy Lopez"]
[Variation "Berlin defence"]
[WhiteFideId "1503014"]
[BlackFideId "14109603"]
[EventDate "2016.11.11"]
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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by Ras » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:41 pm

say, the soundtrack (some metal/industrial crossover), is that taken from an existing album?

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Re: WCC 2016 thread

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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by Jouni » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:31 pm

Is this the first real WCC title to be decided in rapid/blitz? What a shame! Also previously reigning champion retained title with draw - why this year a change?
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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by Henk » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:36 pm

Jouni wrote:Is this the first real WCC title to be decided in rapid/blitz? What a shame! Also previously reigning champion retained title with draw - why this year a change?
Maybe that was tactic of Carlsen. If he loses he can say "Well according to the old rules I would still be World Champion".

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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by whereagles » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:39 pm

perfect chess is drawn... I don't understand the complains :P

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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by Sean Evans » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:10 pm

http://www.sportskeeda.com/chess/carlse ... amp-karpov

Carlsen is stressed, afraid of losing world chess crown: Ex-champ Karpov


by IANS
News
/ 30 Nov 2016, 17:29 IST
/ Updated : 30 Nov 2016, 17:32 IST


New York, Nov 30 (IANS) Reigning world chess champion Magnus Carlsen is not afraid of his Russian challenger Sergey Karjakin but is fearful of losing his crown, former title holder Anatoly Karpov has said.

Norwegian Carlsen and Karjakin finished their 12th game of the World Chess Championship match here on Monday with a draw, reports Tass.

Their overall score after 12 games played is tied at 6-6 and both grandmasters will be playing a series of tie-break games late on Wednesday to determine the new world champion.



"We can see that Sergey Karjakin is calmer at the moment, while Carlsen is obviously stressed," Karpov said on Tuesday.

"I have not seen him (Carlsen) like that for a long time."

"He is afraid, but not of Sergey. He is afraid of losing the title of the world champion. Obviously he imagines how unpleasant it could be," Karpov added.

Karpov, the 12th world champion from 1975 to 1985, also said that the existing system of tie-break games in chess isn't ideal to determine the world chess champion.

"Upcoming developments during the tie-breaker have nothing to do with the game of chess," Karpov said.

"It is wrong to determine the new world champion this way."

"Rapid games are more or less suitable, but blitz and the possibly ensuing Armageddon (game) are stupid," Karpov stated.

"Such a system can only choose a neighbourhood champ, but never the world champion. This is a monstrous invention, which totally goes against all common sense."

"At the very least, the tie-breaker should have been either made up of six rapid games or played until the very first victory. In this case, it would look more like the game of chess," the 65-year-old added.

The tie-breaker between Carlsen and Karjakin will be only the third in the history of chess championships.

The first one was in 2006, when Russia's Vladimir Kramnik beat Bulgaria's Veselin Topalov and the second one was in 2012, when Israel's Boris Gelfand was defeated by India's Viswanathan Anand.

Both previously played tie-breakers were decided by a series of rapid games.

In any case, the 2016 world champion will be decided on November 30, when reigning champion Carlsen will also be celebrating his 26th birthday.

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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by AdminX » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:17 pm

Sean Evans wrote:http://www.sportskeeda.com/chess/carlse ... amp-karpov

Carlsen is stressed, afraid of losing world chess crown: Ex-champ Karpov

...

Karpov, the 12th world champion from 1975 to 1985, also said that the existing system of tie-break games in chess isn't ideal to determine the world chess champion. "Upcoming developments during the tie-breaker have nothing to do with the game of chess," Karpov said. "It is wrong to determine the new world champion this way."

On this Anatoly Karpov, Yasser Seirawan and many others agree.
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Re: WCC 2016 thread

Post by Henk » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:48 pm

They are playing fourth game now. I would say "Carlsen Congratulations".
Would be surprised it Karjakan wins.

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