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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by gbtami » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:18 pm

Today the answer arrived. MVL.

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Chessqueen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:42 pm

gbtami wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:18 pm
Today the answer arrived. MVL.
It took a long time to break GM Tal record of 95 games without a loss since 1974, and now after GM Ding Liren broke GM Tal record with 100 games, it will even take longer to break GM Liren record, considering the calibre of players that GM Ding Liren played against such as GM Carlsen 5 times, GM Caruana 5 times, GM Mamedyaron 5 times, GM Giri 7 times, and Finally after playing GM Vachier-Lagrave for the 7th times he was defeated in classical Standard times. It will be very hard to break this record, since GM Carlsen, GM Caruana, GM Mamedyaron, GM Ding Liren, and GM Lagrave will be competing with one another for the next 28 years which will make it harder for any one of these players to break this record of 100 games without a loss. Here is the entire database where you can check all the games of GM Ding Liren, but only the Classical games should be counted toward the record of 100 games, NOT blitzes. This is how hard it is to break this record where the best player Carlsen only reached 42 games without a loss, probably becauce GM Carlsen take more risks and play much much more aggressive than GM Ding Liren who probably will be competing for the Championship Next year. https://en.chessbase.com/post/new-in-ch ... ility-list

:https://players.chessbase.com/en/player ... n?elo=2816

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Chessqueen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:43 pm

Chessqueen wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:42 pm
gbtami wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:18 pm
Today the answer arrived. MVL.
It took a long time to break GM Tal record of 95 games without a loss since 1974, and now after GM Ding Liren broke GM Tal record with 100 games, it will even take longer to break GM Liren record, considering the calibre of players that GM Ding Liren played against such as GM Carlsen 5 times, GM Caruana 5 times, GM Mamedyaron 5 times, GM Giri 7 times, and Finally after playing GM Vachier-Lagrave for the 7th times he was defeated in classical Standard times. It will be very hard to break this record, since GM Carlsen, GM Caruana, GM Mamedyaron, GM Ding Liren, and GM Lagrave will be competing with one another for the next 28 years which will make it harder for any one of these players to break this record of 100 games without a loss. Here is the entire database where you can check all the games of GM Ding Liren, but only the Classical games should be counted toward the record of 100 games, NOT blitzes. This is how hard it is to break this record where the best player Carlsen only reached 42 games without a loss, probably becauce GM Carlsen take more risks and play much much more aggressive than GM Ding Liren who probably will be competing for the Championship Next year. https://en.chessbase.com/post/new-in-ch ... ility-list

:https://players.chessbase.com/en/player ... n?elo=2816
Chessbase stated that Tiviakov celebrates, but GM Tiviakov only rated 2519 on his peak only faced GM carlsen once, and GM Caruana none, GM Mamedyarov none, GM So none, GM Giri none, GM Kramnik none and finally GM Vachier- Lagrave none, therefore his achievement is not to be compared with GM Ding Liren. If GM Tiviakov would at least had faced GM Carlsen twice, GM Caruana twice, GM Vachier- Lagrave twice he would had not lasted 60 undefeated games :roll: : https://en.chessbase.com/post/ding-defeated

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by gbtami » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:11 am

" but GM Tiviakov only rated 2519 on his peak"

False.
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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Chessqueen » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:55 pm

gbtami wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:11 am
" but GM Tiviakov only rated 2519 on his peak"

False.
2699 (October 2005)
I meant to write 2678 during the time 2004 to 2005 when he was having the streak, I am looking at all his games and getting an average of all the players that he played starting with the lowest rated player who was Basas Gamazo rated 2062 and the highest rated player that he played Ivanchuck 2705 during his streak of wins. I will add them all up and divide it by 110. Then I will do the same with GM Ding Liren average of players rating.
Another thing to notice is that he mentioned that among the players Carlsen was one of them, but Carlsen in 2005 was a 14 yerars old Kid only rated 2548, not even close to what he is now or even at the age of 17 when Carlsen could had beaten him easily when Carlsen was rated 2789.

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Chessqueen » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:53 pm

Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:55 pm
gbtami wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:11 am
" but GM Tiviakov only rated 2519 on his peak"

False.
2699 (October 2005)
I meant to write 2678 during the time 2004 to 2005 when he was having the streak, I am looking at all his games and getting an average of all the players that he played starting with the lowest rated player who was Basas Gamazo rated 2062 and the highest rated player that he played Ivanchuck 2705 during his streak of no loss in classical chess games without cunting his blitzes and rapid games. I will add them all up and divide it by 110. Then I will do the same with GM Ding Liren average of players rating.
Another thing to notice is that he mentioned that among the players Carlsen was one of them, but Carlsen in 2005 was a 14 yerars old Kid only rated 2548, not even close to what he is now or even at the age of 17 when Carlsen could had beaten him easily when Carlsen was rated 2789.

I just came with the average rating for all the 110 games that GM Tiviakov played during his streak from 2004 to 2005 without a single loss, it came to 2572 now if I subtract GM Tiviakov peak rating of 2678 for that period of time GM Tiviako was playing versus players that average 106 points lower than his peak rating. Whereas GM Ding Liren average rating for all his 100 games was 2755 minus his peak rating of 2816.9, therefore GM Ding Liren was playing versus players that average 62 points lower than him. Honestly, GM Tiviakov deserves to be recognized, since the difference within his category of players that he faced is too close, plus the extra 10 games that GM Tiviakov played without losing makes up for that slight difference. Even thought GM Tiviakov only played versus 6 times with players higher than him, but did NOT manage to beat them only drew, while GM Ding Liren played with 12 players higher than him during that period and played 35 times with them for instance against GM Carlsen 5 times, GM Caruana 5 times, GM Kramnik 4 times, GM Mamedyarov 5 times, GM So 4 times, GM Giri, 6 times, and finally GM MVL 6 times and manage nd did not loss a single game unti game 101 with MVL.

Please check all these angry Chess fans protesting against who deserve to be recognized, scroll down to the bottom of the page :
https://en.chessbase.com/post/ding-defeated#discuss

Note: My last two 2 cents is that it is too close to call, but GM Tiviakov should have never mentioned that he played versus Magnus carlsen ,since Carlsen was a 14 years old Kid with a rating of 2548 when he beat Carlsen :shock:

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Dann Corbit » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:11 am

Taking ideas is not a vice, it is a virtue. We have another word for this. It is called learning.
But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Chessqueen » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:19 am

Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:53 pm
Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:55 pm
gbtami wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:11 am
" but GM Tiviakov only rated 2519 on his peak"

False.
2699 (October 2005)
I meant to write 2678 during the time 2004 to 2005 when he was having the streak, I am looking at all his games and getting an average of all the players that he played starting with the lowest rated player who was Basas Gamazo rated 2062 and the highest rated player that he played Ivanchuck 2705 during his streak of no loss in classical chess games without cunting his blitzes and rapid games. I will add them all up and divide it by 110. Then I will do the same with GM Ding Liren average of players rating.
Another thing to notice is that he mentioned that among the players Carlsen was one of them, but Carlsen in 2005 was a 14 yerars old Kid only rated 2548, not even close to what he is now or even at the age of 17 when Carlsen could had beaten him easily when Carlsen was rated 2789.

I just came with the average rating for all the 110 games that GM Tiviakov played during his streak from 2004 to 2005 without a single loss, it came to 2572 now if I subtract GM Tiviakov peak rating of 2678 for that period of time GM Tiviako was playing versus players that average 106 points lower than his peak rating. Whereas GM Ding Liren average rating for all his 100 games was 2755 minus his peak rating of 2816.9, therefore GM Ding Liren was playing versus players that average 62 points lower than him. Honestly, GM Tiviakov deserves to be recognized, since the difference within his category of players that he faced is too close, plus the extra 10 games that GM Tiviakov played without losing makes up for that slight difference. Even thought GM Tiviakov only played versus 6 times with players higher than him, but did NOT manage to beat them only drew, while GM Ding Liren played with 12 players higher than him during that period and played 35 times with them for instance against GM Carlsen 5 times, GM Caruana 5 times, GM Kramnik 4 times, GM Mamedyarov 5 times, GM So 4 times, GM Giri, 6 times, and finally GM MVL 6 times and manage nd did not loss a single game unti game 101 with MVL.

Please check all these angry Chess fans protesting against who deserve to be recognized, scroll down to the bottom of the page :
https://en.chessbase.com/post/ding-defeated#discuss

Note: My last two 2 cents is that it is too close to call, but GM Tiviakov should have never mentioned that he played versus Magnus carlsen ,since Carlsen was a 14 years old Kid with a rating of 2548 when he beat Carlsen :shock:

Sorry I mixed some of GM Tiviakov Opponent's ratings with the database of GM Ding Liren Opponent's ratings, so I recalculated it, and it came to 2476 NOT 2572 I had both databases on my right side close to each other and by mistake I sometimes took some of Ding Liren Opponent't rating and calculated with GM Tiviakov Opponen't rating. Therefore GM Tiviakov Opponent's average rating is NOT that impresaive after all

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Chessqueen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:49 am

Chessqueen wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:19 am
Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:53 pm
Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:55 pm
gbtami wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:11 am
" but GM Tiviakov only rated 2519 on his peak"

False.
2699 (October 2005)
I meant to write 2678 during the time 2004 to 2005 when he was having the streak, I am looking at all his games and getting an average of all the players that he played starting with the lowest rated player who was Basas Gamazo rated 2062 and the highest rated player that he played Ivanchuck 2705 during his streak of no loss in classical chess games without cunting his blitzes and rapid games. I will add them all up and divide it by 110. Then I will do the same with GM Ding Liren average of players rating.
Another thing to notice is that he mentioned that among the players Carlsen was one of them, but Carlsen in 2005 was a 14 yerars old Kid only rated 2548, not even close to what he is now or even at the age of 17 when Carlsen could had beaten him easily when Carlsen was rated 2789.

I just came with the average rating for all the 110 games that GM Tiviakov played during his streak from 2004 to 2005 without a single loss, it came to 2572 now if I subtract GM Tiviakov peak rating of 2678 for that period of time GM Tiviako was playing versus players that average 106 points lower than his peak rating. Whereas GM Ding Liren average rating for all his 100 games was 2755 minus his peak rating of 2816.9, therefore GM Ding Liren was playing versus players that average 62 points lower than him. Honestly, GM Tiviakov deserves to be recognized, since the difference within his category of players that he faced is too close, plus the extra 10 games that GM Tiviakov played without losing makes up for that slight difference. Even thought GM Tiviakov only played versus 6 times with players higher than him, but did NOT manage to beat them only drew, while GM Ding Liren played with 12 players higher than him during that period and played 35 times with them for instance against GM Carlsen 5 times, GM Caruana 5 times, GM Kramnik 4 times, GM Mamedyarov 5 times, GM So 4 times, GM Giri, 6 times, and finally GM MVL 6 times and manage nd did not loss a single game unti game 101 with MVL.

Please check all these angry Chess fans protesting against who deserve to be recognized, scroll down to the bottom of the page :
https://en.chessbase.com/post/ding-defeated#discuss

Note: My last two 2 cents is that it is too close to call, but GM Tiviakov should have never mentioned that he played versus Magnus carlsen ,since Carlsen was a 14 years old Kid with a rating of 2548 when he beat Carlsen :shock:


Sorry I mixed some of GM Tiviakov Opponent's ratings with the database of GM Ding Liren Opponent's ratings, so I recalculated it, and it came to 2476 NOT 2572 I had both databases on my right side close to each other and by mistake I sometimes took some of Ding Liren Opponent't rating and calculated with GM Tiviakov Opponen't rating. Therefore GM Tiviakov Opponent's average rating is NOT that impresaive after all

Valentine44 found out on Chessbase 11/13/2018 01:28 and I am quoting

Tiviakov claim is a lie. He lost to Ivanchuk in classical chess in Torre memorial in Yucatan, mexico. His streak is somewhee arround 60 games , i did not counted exactly.
He lost twice at this tournament against Ivanchuk .
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1326930
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1326928

In his carrier in classical chess he has lost 4, 11 draws no win and 11 draws to Ivanchuk.
In rapid /exibition he lost 1, draw 1 and no win.
He tries to tell that he lost 2 rapid in Yucatan, december 2018 while in all his carrier he lost only one.
During his streak he has some wins against 2100, 2200 :))))))))). Very funy.
And this guy comes here to tel us that it has a record superiour to Ding.

Whatever the case is GM Tiviakov rated 2678 can claim that he broke GM Tal record under the category of players under 2700, but GM Ding Liren just broke a new record for players above 2700+

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Re: Who will finally beat GM Ding Liren ?

Post by Chessqueen » Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:55 am

Chessqueen wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:49 am
Chessqueen wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:19 am
Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:53 pm
Chessqueen wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:55 pm
gbtami wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:11 am
" but GM Tiviakov only rated 2519 on his peak"

False.
2699 (October 2005)
I meant to write 2678 during the time 2004 to 2005 when he was having the streak, I am looking at all his games and getting an average of all the players that he played starting with the lowest rated player who was Basas Gamazo rated 2062 and the highest rated player that he played Ivanchuck 2705 during his streak of no loss in classical chess games without cunting his blitzes and rapid games. I will add them all up and divide it by 110. Then I will do the same with GM Ding Liren average of players rating.
Another thing to notice is that he mentioned that among the players Carlsen was one of them, but Carlsen in 2005 was a 14 yerars old Kid only rated 2548, not even close to what he is now or even at the age of 17 when Carlsen could had beaten him easily when Carlsen was rated 2789.

I just came with the average rating for all the 110 games that GM Tiviakov played during his streak from 2004 to 2005 without a single loss, it came to 2572 now if I subtract GM Tiviakov peak rating of 2678 for that period of time GM Tiviako was playing versus players that average 106 points lower than his peak rating. Whereas GM Ding Liren average rating for all his 100 games was 2755 minus his peak rating of 2816.9, therefore GM Ding Liren was playing versus players that average 62 points lower than him. Honestly, GM Tiviakov deserves to be recognized, since the difference within his category of players that he faced is too close, plus the extra 10 games that GM Tiviakov played without losing makes up for that slight difference. Even thought GM Tiviakov only played versus 6 times with players higher than him, but did NOT manage to beat them only drew, while GM Ding Liren played with 12 players higher than him during that period and played 35 times with them for instance against GM Carlsen 5 times, GM Caruana 5 times, GM Kramnik 4 times, GM Mamedyarov 5 times, GM So 4 times, GM Giri, 6 times, and finally GM MVL 6 times and manage nd did not loss a single game unti game 101 with MVL.

Please check all these angry Chess fans protesting against who deserve to be recognized, scroll down to the bottom of the page :
https://en.chessbase.com/post/ding-defeated#discuss

Note: My last two 2 cents is that it is too close to call, but GM Tiviakov should have never mentioned that he played versus Magnus carlsen ,since Carlsen was a 14 years old Kid with a rating of 2548 when he beat Carlsen :shock:


Sorry I mixed some of GM Tiviakov Opponent's ratings with the database of GM Ding Liren Opponent's ratings, so I recalculated it, and it came to 2476 NOT 2572 I had both databases on my right side close to each other and by mistake I sometimes took some of Ding Liren Opponent't rating and calculated with GM Tiviakov Opponen't rating. Therefore GM Tiviakov Opponent's average rating is NOT that impresaive after all

Valentine44 found out on Chessbase 11/13/2018 01:28 and I am quoting

Tiviakov claim is a lie. He lost to Ivanchuk in classical chess in Torre memorial in Yucatan, mexico. His streak is somewhere around 60 games , i did not counted exactly.
He lost twice at this tournament against Ivanchuk .
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1326930
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1326928

In his carrier in classical chess he has lost 4, 11 draws no win and 11 draws to Ivanchuk.
In rapid /exibition he lost 1, draw 1 and no win.
He tries to tell that he lost 2 rapid in Yucatan, december 2018 while in all his carrier he lost only one.
During his streak he has some wins against 2100, 2200 :))))))))). Very funy.
And this guy comes here to tel us that it has a record superiour to Ding.

Whatever the case is GM Tiviakov rated 2678 can claim that he broke GM Tal record under the category of players under 2700, but GM Ding Liren just broke a new record for players above 2700+. GM Tal peak rating was 2705 but during his streak of no loss he never reached over 2700

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