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Is magnus carlsen the greatest human player ever?

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:26 pm
by S.Taylor
He seems to have all the skills of chess history,
and does all the right things in all positions and time controls, automatically.
A few years ago it had seemed that kasparov was the greatest in history, however, he may have had slightly lower perfection (slightly impulsive? lucky with mistakes?) as maybe seen in some analyzed games, even whilst being the greatest in history before carlsen.

Re: Is magnus carlsen the greatest human player ever?

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 5:47 am
by Necromancer
Given his Rating x achievements x age, I think that is a big YES. The fact that he is from the "computer era" just reinforces this.

Re: Is magnus carlsen the greatest human player ever?

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:47 am
by Leo
If its true (I don't think it is) then the guy he beat after 12 draws and no wins must be the second best ever. Could you imagine Bobby Fischer drawing 12 straight games with no wins in his prime against someone in a championship match?

Re: Is magnus carlsen the greatest human player ever?

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:53 pm
by Necromancer
Leo wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:47 am
If its true (I don't think it is) then the guy he beat after 12 draws and no wins must be the second best ever. Could you imagine Bobby Fischer drawing 12 straight games with no wins in his prime against someone in a championship match?
Like engines, human players also evolve. Carlsen plays stronger chess than prime Fischer.

Re: Is magnus carlsen the greatest human player ever?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:40 pm
by Leo
Necromancer wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:53 pm
Leo wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:47 am
If its true (I don't think it is) then the guy he beat after 12 draws and no wins must be the second best ever. Could you imagine Bobby Fischer drawing 12 straight games with no wins in his prime against someone in a championship match?
Like engines, human players also evolve. Carlsen plays stronger chess than prime Fischer.
How do you know that? Fischer would easily defeat Carlson with the aid of a computer for preparation. So would Karpov and Kasparov in their prime. Carlson is not as far ahead of the rest as Fischer was.

Re: Is magnus carlsen the greatest human player ever?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:21 pm
by Leo

Re: Is magnus carlsen the greatest human player ever?

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:55 pm
by duncan
Leo wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 11:40 pm
Necromancer wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:53 pm
Leo wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 3:47 am
If its true (I don't think it is) then the guy he beat after 12 draws and no wins must be the second best ever. Could you imagine Bobby Fischer drawing 12 straight games with no wins in his prime against someone in a championship match?
Like engines, human players also evolve. Carlsen plays stronger chess than prime Fischer.
How do you know that? Fischer would easily defeat Carlson with the aid of a computer for preparation. So would Karpov and Kasparov in their prime. Carlson is not as far ahead of the rest as Fischer was.
Karpov is 'just' no 7.


Fischer' was facing spassky a 27. kasparov was facing karpov a 7. Maybe that accounts for fischer being more ahead in one particular year than kasparov. Similarly with Carlson.

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