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Human odds games

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:30 pm
by koedem
A friend of mine was asking whether there have been serious attempts to find good handicaps for various rating differences. In engine games there seems to be some rough understanding of it, however what about human vs human games?
Maybe @lkaufman has some insights?

Re: Human odds games

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:24 pm
by Uri Blass
koedem wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:30 pm
A friend of mine was asking whether there have been serious attempts to find good handicaps for various rating differences. In engine games there seems to be some rough understanding of it, however what about human vs human games?
Maybe @lkaufman has some insights?
It is not about rating difference and you need smaller handicap at higher level at the same rating difference.

From my experience I can beat most human players with queen and 2 rooks handicap.
There are some children that I even can beat with only knight bishop and pawns against all the pieces and in the weakest level even only pawns are enough to win because the opponent does not capture the pawns and let a pawn to promote.

These players never played for rating so they have no known rating that I know but most chess players have no known chess rating.

Re: Human odds games

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:17 pm
by koedem
Uri Blass wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:24 pm
koedem wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:30 pm
A friend of mine was asking whether there have been serious attempts to find good handicaps for various rating differences. In engine games there seems to be some rough understanding of it, however what about human vs human games?
Maybe @lkaufman has some insights?
It is not about rating difference and you need smaller handicap at higher level at the same rating difference.

From my experience I can beat most human players with queen and 2 rooks handicap.
There are some children that I even can beat with only knight bishop and pawns against all the pieces and in the weakest level even only pawns are enough to win because the opponent does not capture the pawns and let a pawn to promote.

These players never played for rating so they have no known rating that I know but most chess players have no known chess rating.
Yes, of course at GM level a N is way bigger handicap than at beginner level. That is the point of this question, to get a more precise handicap system across different rating ranges.
Though it is in the scenario of both players having a known rating. (and the question which handicap to pick for a close game)